Arizona Immigration Bill

[Synful*Luv]

Arizona passed a law stating that anyone who "looks like" or is an immigrant must carry papers to prove that they are legal. If not they will be arrested, deported and fined.

Now other states want to adopt this same bill.

I won't get into my ideas about immigrant rights in a foreign country, BUT... I worry about what can of worms this opens up for legal citizens of Latin descent. OR for that matter.. anyone who "looks like an immigrant". Am I at risk of being kicked out of my own country in some states? It seems like an opportunity for police in that state to harass anyone who looks "foreign" and that of course is subjective. I think it's ridiculous that to visit Arizona I need to carry a birth certificate and passport with me.

I had a hard time finding an unbiased article about this law, so I won't post a link. The articles are either conservative and pro or liberal and against.

Just google "Arizona Immigration Bill".

What do you guys think??

EDIT:
Here is a link to an article that is a better than most:
Arizona Immigration Bill

 

[S O F I]

I am split on the issue of illegal immigration in the US in general. I'm biased because for me to immigrate to the US, it took a process of over 6 years. Other people can just "jump" the border at will.

I disagree with the law because I don't see how it can be enforced without racial profiling. Also, I don't see how it will stop illegal immigration. If you send them back, they simply try again and with a grin on their face. If you jail them, you have to deal with tax dollar waste and limited prison room.

I don't think the bill will last long. It'll be challenged and most likely overturned.

 

[masta247]

Most of all I think the US Immigration laws are fucking retarded in an unbelievable way.
They should finally rethink them and change totally.

Also, at this point America is closed for qualified, educated people that would potentially like to move and work there while at the same time they allow anyone with any family there or/and other stupid cases.
It doesn't usually lure the better kind of people.

That doesn't impact this case much though but that's what I was thinking about lately.

 

[Jurhum]

I think they should give all the illegal immigrants SS and have them pay taxes. They can stay here as long as they don't break the laws. Once they are caught in any issue, only then should they be deported. This law however is stupid. It's useless and doesn't benefit anyone.

 

[S O F I]

Most of all I think the US Immigration laws are fucking retarded in an unbelievable way.
They should finally rethink them and change totally.

Also, at this point America is closed for qualified, educated people that would potentially like to move and work there while at the same time they allow anyone with any family there or/and other stupid cases.
It doesn't usually lure the better kind of people.

That doesn't impact this case much though but that's what I was thinking about lately.

Not any family. Must be immediate. Also, what do you mean closed for qualified, educated people? What are all those Indians, Japanese, and Koreans doing at Boeing, Microsoft, and Google?

I don't doubt you know more about this issue than me since you're a lil techie aspiring to visit our great lands and make moneys but immigration is not closed for the educated and qualified. It might just require you to find a job here first and get a work visa before you move.

 

[Synful*Luv]

I am split on the issue of illegal immigration in the US in general. I'm biased because for me to immigrate to the US, it took a process of over 6 years. Other people can just "jump" the border at will.

I disagree with the law because I don't see how it can be enforced without racial profiling. Also, I don't see how it will stop illegal immigration. If you send them back, they simply try again and with a grin on their face. If you jail them, you have to deal with tax dollar waste and limited prison room.

I don't think the bill will last long. It'll be challenged and most likely overturned.

I agree with so much of what you said. I'm curious to find out what their "rules" will be to try and detect an illegal immigrant. And will this only be illegal immigrants who "look like" they are Mexican or some form of Latino? Or will this be people who appear to be European? Who appear to be Caribbean? Who appear to be African? Because that can cover a LOT of people, you know? I just don't understand how they expect this to work.

 

[Synful*Luv]

Most of all I think the US Immigration laws are fucking retarded in an unbelievable way.
They should finally rethink them and change totally.

Also, at this point America is closed for qualified, educated people that would potentially like to move and work there while at the same time they allow anyone with any family there or/and other stupid cases.
It doesn't usually lure the better kind of people.

That doesn't impact this case much though but that's what I was thinking about lately.

Here is a list of ways that are not the "standard" ways to become a citizen in the USA:
Green Card Options

If none of those options work, you can always come here and look for a job. You are allowed to apply for an extended stay. Find a job and then apply for citizenship through the company or on your own because you have a job.. Just some other options.

 

[masta247]

Not any family. Must be immediate. Also, what do you mean closed for qualified, educated people? What are all those Indians, Japanese, and Koreans doing at Boeing, Microsoft, and Google?

I don't doubt you know more about this issue than me since you're a lil techie aspiring to visit our great lands and make moneys but immigration is not closed for the educated and qualified. It might just require you to find a job here first and get a work visa before you move.

Yeah obviously no grandfather's brother's daughter's uncle can go but yeah still. It usually affects people who don't have much to offer and they want to use their chance to emigrate.

Great minds do work there, yes. They first have to get a deal from a company that has to sign papers that they will "sponsor" their stay for a green card. It's not that Microsoft will sponsor any educated foreigner that could work there. It's only about those that are really great at whatever they are doing.
If you're not a known specialist in something then they won't risk. Not to mention that if you apply for a green card based on employment that company would have to wait approx. 2 years for you as that's the average time between you and that company first filling papers and receiving your right to work there.

What I mean is that any educated casual young man for example with a Master's degree in Science, Business or any other potentially lucrative degree couldn't move to the states because he still doesn't meet any criteria as they don't even consider education as one.
It doesn't matter that he's a perfect potential citizen for America - educated abroad and ready to work and pay taxes.
But no, there's no way he can get a green card if he doesn't have any family in the states or no company is willing to sponsor him (and probably no company will).

There are some other minor opportunities like green card loteries (giving green cards to random people - usually bums hoping for their american dream lol), political connections or being a renowned lecturer. Oh or a priest.


Personally I could only get a visa to stay there for some months. I could probably extend that - there's a special kind of visa that you get if a company signs papers that they'll hire you and you can stay there for the time you'd work for them. It works faster than that green card sponsorship thing so more companies are keen to sign that. However then after they fire you you have to gtfo back to your country.
However it's hard (close to impossible) to find a company that would hire someone who doesn't even have a green card from a country far away for any decent job. They'd rather take a less educated American.

So in short the system is really fucked up.

Here is a list of ways that are not the "standard" ways to become a citizen in the USA:
Green Card Options

Yeah I'm familiar with that. It's easier to go there being a poor person from anywhere than being a university graduate from Europe.

 

[S O F I]

^Well, you have 27 countries you could easily live in. Work for SAP or something. Most Americans here are looking to work abroad lol. There's nothing special about America and growth will not be found here in the future but in India, China, Singapore, etc.

 

[masta247]

yeah I know this. It's not like it really affects me that much personally.
I just thought it'd be cool to stay and work at a few places after I graduate and America looks quite interesting. It's not that I will get a job of my dreams soon after graduating anyway as I'll need experience.

The point is though that their immigration laws suck big time.

 

[_carmi]

I am split on the issue of illegal immigration in the US in general. I'm biased because for me to immigrate to the US, it took a process of over 6 years. Other people can just "jump" the border at will.

I disagree with the law because I don't see how it can be enforced without racial profiling. Also, I don't see how it will stop illegal immigration. If you send them back, they simply try again and with a grin on their face. If you jail them, you have to deal with tax dollar waste and limited prison room.

I don't think the bill will last long. It'll be challenged and most likely overturned.

I concur. This won't help integrating immigrants to America. It's not very welcoming.

What about people who were born in America? Because they are of different colour they'll be harassed? This bill is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Synful*Luv]

It depends masta.. I know a lot of people who would say it's easier to be an affluent person and get in. I know if you apply for citizenship from Mexico and from a western country... the person from the western country is more likely to get in than the Mexican.

But I agree, the laws suck.

 

[yak pac fatal]

Republican calls for microchips to be placed in illegal immigrants

Third District GOP congressional hopefuls called for more R&D on illegal immigration – as in round-up and deport.

Speaking at a Tama County Republican forum Monday, six candidates for the GOP nomination to face seven –term Democratic Rep. Leonard Boswell opposed amnesty for illegal aliens and called for tougher enforcement of border security.

“I think we should catch ’em, we should document ’em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going,” said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. “I actually support micro-chipping them. I can micro-chip my dog so I can find it. Why can’t I micro-chip an illegal?

“That’s not a popular thing to say, but it’s a lot cheaper than building a fence they can tunnel under,” Bertroche said.

There was general agreement the U.S. should build a fence along the southern border, something Boswell also supports.

A fence would be consistent with the protecting and defending the borders, according to Dave Funk of Runnells, who pointed out border security is “one of the 17 enumerated powers in the Constitution.”

Like the other candidates, Funk had disdain for using the politically correct term — undocumented workers – for people who enter the country illegally.

Calling them undocumented worker “is like calling the drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist,” Funk said.

Illegal immigration is first and foremost a security issue, Scott Batcher of West Des Moines said.

“If we’re allowing illegals to come in, we’re probably letting terrorists walk across the border, too,” he said.

“Illegals are killing us financially,” added Sen. Brad Zaun, R-Urbandale. Illegal immigrants receive education, health care and other services, often without paying for them, he said.

Like his rivals, Zaun would not support amnesty for illegal immigrants in the U.S.

“All the illegal people who are here, put them on a bus and send them wherever they came from,” he said. “I want what my great-grandfather from Germany went through. They should go through the process that all people who have come to this country have gone through.”

Jim Gibbons of Des Moines called for tighter border security for the same reasons as his rivals. In addition, he said, for those who believe human trafficking is “illegal and immoral, this is a pretty important thing.”

He also spoke of a need “to widen the path to citizenship” because “it shouldn’t take 17 years for somebody to become a citizen.”

“I’m really serious about this,” Gibbons said. “We want to know who you are. Why are you here? What your intentions are? And step up and contribute to this country the way it’s been done for generations.”

Mark Rees also opposed amnesty and favored deportation. The public has to take some responsibility for the lack of progress on those issues, he said.

“It’s our fault that we left politician bury those things that are uncomfortable to talk about,” he said.

Some of the candidates will participate in a forum sponsored by the Benton County Advocates at 7 p.m. Tuesday at the Community Bank Building in Vinton.

Jason Lee Welch of Grimes is the seventh candidate from which 3rd District GOP voters will choose a nominee in the June 8 primary.

smh

beta test before given to all americans

 

[_carmi]

^I'm glad I don't live in the USA.

 

[Synful*Luv]

Damn bar codes on babies next. LOL it's crazy.

 

[The.Menace]

I disagree with the law because I don't see how it can be enforced without racial profiling.

That's wrong sofi. The law IS racial profiling, definatly. And I'm against it because racial profiling shouldn't be allowed by law.

THE POINT is - it happens anway. It's no secret and if you're black/brown/'different' or have black/brown/'different' friends you should know. We already have racial profiling, in the mind of every cop - and it's like this all over the world, I don't want to blame the US for it. Someone looks "different", you think you thoughts..... SO we have that already but what's new is a law that allows or asks from cops to act this way. That's dangerous, that sucks, that shouldn't be possible for a country that believes in the equal worth of every human beeing.

 

[Synful*Luv]

That's wrong sofi. The law IS racial profiling, definatly. And I'm against it because racial profiling shouldn't be allowed by law.

THE POINT is - it happens anway. It's no secret and if you're black/brown/'different' or have black/brown/'different' friends you should know. We already have racial profiling, in the mind of every cop - and it's like this all over the world, I don't want to blame the US for it. Someone looks "different", you think you thoughts..... SO we have that already but what's new is a law that allows or asks from cops to act this way. That's dangerous, that sucks, that shouldn't be possible for a country that believes in the equal worth of every human beeing.

I agree with everything you said. The part in bold though, the country doesn't believe that at all. At first there was a lot of effort spent trying to cover it up but now it's pretty much out in the open. No one seems to care at all anymore who knows about the general feeling of disgust about people who are "different", immigrants and Mexicans in particular seem to just be the scape goat.. the poster children for the face of an illegal immigrant. But there are more and more groups being created and going public everyday, more politicians and more churches with their pro-american hate speech. I just hope it all comes to a head soon with some sort of revolutionary national protests.

 

[Shadows]

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*Starts rapping, I'm slim Shady...*

 

[Synful*Luv]

*shaves mustache, bleaches hair*

*Starts rapping, I'm slim Shady...*

Hell, maybe Michael Jackson had the right idea. He was ahead of the times. Now we all need to turn into White Women to be safe. LOL Is his doctor in jail yet? hehehe

 

[S. Fourteen]

The Tucson and Flagstaff city councils voted Tuesday to sue Arizona over its tough new immigration law, citing concerns about enforcement costs and negative effects on the state's tourism industry.

lol

2 Arizona City Councils Vote to Sue Over New Law - ABC News

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