So..... Muhammad was a pedofile

#21
They're not facts. Have you even read the Qu'ran?

Aisha was 15 years old at the time of marriage.

It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.
 

Rukas

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#22
They're not facts. Have you even read the Qu'ran?

Aisha was 15 years old at the time of marriage.
Have you? Because it clearly says she was 6 at time of marriage. Muslims now try to pretend she was 15 to feel better.

FIRST MUSLIM DEFENSE: Aisha was older than nine years old.
Faced with the arguments of Western critics, Muslim apologists sometimes piece together information from various accounts in an attempt to deny that Aisha was as young as critics often claim:
The popular misconception as to Aishah’s age may be removed here. . . . Isabah, speaking of the Holy Prophet’s daughter Fatimah, says that she was about five years older than Aishah. It is a well-established fact that Fatimah was born when the Ka’bah was being rebuilt, i.e., five years before the Call. Aishah was therefore born in the year of the Call or a little before it, and she could not have been less than ten years at the time of her marriage with the Holy Prophet in the tenth year of the Call. . . . And as the period between her marriage and its consummation was not less than five years, because the consummation took place in the second year of the Flight, it follows that she could not have been less than fifteen at that time. The popular account that she was six years at marriage and nine years at the time of consummation is decidedly not correct because it supposes the period between the marriage and its consummation to be only three years, and this is historically wrong.[SIZE=-1][1][/SIZE]
RESPONSE: The evidence for Muhammad’s marriage to the nine-year-old Aisha is too strong to be ignored.
The problem with the selective and carefully edited defense just given (other than the complete lack of references) is that it ignores the numerous accounts we now possess which record Aisha’s age when Muhammad consummated his marriage to her. Many of these accounts are from Aisha herself. Indeed, the evidence for Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha is as strong as the evidence for just about any other fact in Islam. We have copious traditions relating Muhammad’s marriage proposal when Aisha was six or seven years old, as well as his consummation of that marriage when she was nine:
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).[SIZE=-1][2][/SIZE]
Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.[SIZE=-1][3][/SIZE]
Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.[SIZE=-1][4][/SIZE]
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.[SIZE=-1][5][/SIZE]
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.[SIZE=-1][6][/SIZE]
This is just a sample of the early Muslim traditions reporting Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha, but it is sufficient to show that she certainly wasn’t fifteen years old at the time of the consummation, as some Muslims claim.
(For a fuller treatment of the early evidence regarding Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha, click here.)
In addition to traditions regarding Aisha’s age, the Hadith also provides details about how the relationship began and progressed:
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said to her: "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said (to me), ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said: ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.’"[SIZE=-1][7][/SIZE]
After having this dream about Aisha, Muhammad proceeded to ask her father Abu Bakr for her hand in marriage. Abu Bakr understandably objected at first, but Muhammad was able to persuade him to agree. Aisha was later taken to Muhammad’s house:
The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) asked Abu Bakr for Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said: "But I am your brother." The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."[SIZE=-1][8][/SIZE]
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Madina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Umm Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said: "Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.[SIZE=-1][9][/SIZE]
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: When the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah’s Apostle to me in the forenoon.[SIZE=-1][10][/SIZE]
Once Aisha was a part of Muhammad’s household, she became his favorite wife, even after he married several other women. Indeed, Muhammad’s other wives had to plead with him for treatment equal to that of Aisha:[SIZE=-1][11][/SIZE]
The wives of Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) were in two groups. One group consisted of Aisha, Hafsa, Safiyya and Sauda; and the other group consisted of Umm Salama and the other wives of Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him). The Muslims knew that Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) loved Aisha, so if any of them had a gift and wished to give it to Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him), he would delay it, till Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) had come to Aisha’s home . . . The group of Umm Salama discussed the matter together and decided that Umm Salama should request Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) to tell the people to send their gifts to him in whatever wife’s house he was. . . . [Muhammad replied]: "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspiration did not reveal it to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha." . . . Then the group of Umm Salama called Fatimah, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) and sent her to Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) to say to him: "Your wives request to treat them and the daughter of Abu Bakr on equal terms."[SIZE=-1][12][/SIZE]
Thus, Aisha held a place of special favor among Muhammad’s wives, which caused a great deal of tension among the women. Since it may be taken as historically certain that Aisha was very young when her marriage to Muhammad was consummated, critics sometimes charge that Muhammad’s preference for Aisha reveals his preference for young girls. The Hadith offers a certain amount of support for this view:
When I took the permission of Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him), he asked me whether I had married a matron. He said: "Why hadn’t you married a virgin that would play with you, and you would play with her?" I replied: "O Allah’s Apostle! My father died and I have young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl like them who would neither teach them manners nor serve them."[SIZE=-1][13][/SIZE]
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him), and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) would call them to join and play with me.[SIZE=-1][14][/SIZE]
Nevertheless, it must be noted that, if Muhammad had truly been obsessed with young girls, he could have taken many others as his wives. Muhammad eventually held complete power in Medina and later in Mecca, yet he didn’t build himself a harem of young girls. Since there isn’t enough evidence to support the charge that Muhammad had a perverted obsession with prepubescent girls, critics should be careful when making such a claim.
To sum up, the evidence makes it abundantly clear (1) that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was very young, (2) that this relationship was pursued by Muhammad after he dreamed about her, and (3) that she was his favorite wife. With so much historical data reporting the age of Aisha, it should be obvious that Muslims who deny Muhammad’s relationship with her only do so out of embarrassment.
 
#25
more like racists vs muslims..

No I havn't read the Qu'ran but I don't believe everything I read on wikipedia.

Muslims now try to pretend she was 15 to feel better.
That's like saying jews lied about 6 million deaths just so world feels more sorry for them.
I'm not saying they did btw.
 

Cooper

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#28
“The most authentic book after the Holy Qur’an.” This is the conclusion that every learned religious Scholar came to. No matter how great these Scholars were, they were forced to unanimously agree that ‘Sahih Al-Bukhari’ is the most authentic work in Hadith literature ever compiled.
Ok?

From above said:
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

hmmmm
 

Cooper

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#30
Y'all should be old enough to have an open mind and study the matter properly before going online and making racist comments. Y'all would get your whole heads caved in talking like that in public.
Because that's the best way to deal with criticism.


Basically, there's no real historical evidence either way and people twist the limited sources to whatever suits them. I just find it amusing how people who believe the Islamic literature to be historically accurate (it's not) pick and choose the bits which suit them best.
 

Rukas

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#32
Have you even read the Qu'ran?
No I havn't read the Qu'ran
I can't be asked to read all of it right now. I will look into this when I get the time.
Y'all should be old enough to have an open mind and study the matter properly before going online and making racist comments. Y'all would get your whole heads caved in talking like that in public.
So you are advocating Muslims attacking people who talk about Muhammad and quote what his own wife said about her own age?

And please, show me one racist comment in this thread. No one even mention race at all until you did.

You ask us if we have read the Koran, we provide you with Hadith quotes. Then you tell us we need to do research? We quote Islamic literature, go look it up yourself. And then you admit that you havent done your own research, yet we who have are wrong, and you tell us we should be met with physical harm? For what? For quoting Muhammad's own wife? For pointing out what Islamic literature says itself?

Thanks for giving a perfect example of what is wrong with a lot of Muslims. You dont know your own literature and thus religion yet you're ready to "cave" people's heads in for it.
 

Rukas

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#33
more like racists vs muslims..

No I havn't read the Qu'ran but I don't believe everything I read on wikipedia.


That's like saying jews lied about 6 million deaths just so world feels more sorry for them.
I'm not saying they did btw.
You know what, you are one hundred percent right.

Muslim's denying that Aisha was 6 years old when she was married and 9 years old when Muhammad and her consummated the marriage is exactly as big a crock of shit as people who deny the Holocaust happened. Both totally go in the face of evidence and twist the truth to suit their predetermined belief.
 

Rukas

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#35
hatred has blinded from seeing the truth.
I don't have a hatred for any religion. Why would you say I did? When have I shown hatred? I have only quoted Islamic literature.

This is like a wack rapper saying people dont like him because they are "haters." An easy and lazy defense.

You want to see truth? The truth is written in Islamic literature yes? Is that not what the whole Religion is based on?

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”
Tabari IX:131
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234
A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3311
"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."
Abu-Dawud 2:2116
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:65
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
Abu Dawud 41:4915
And just so there is no misunderstanding...

There has been some confusion about the definition of the word "consummate". In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is "dakhala". From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273, it means "to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman".

There is no hatred, there are no lies, I am quoting Islamic scripture. Look it up yourself. I am not blinded by hatred for Islam because I do not hate Islam. I suggest you are blinded by your faith. Your scripture is right there. Read it yourself.
 

Jurhum

Well-Known Member
#36
You know what, you are one hundred percent right.

Muslim's denying that Aisha was 6 years old when she was married and 9 years old when Muhammad and her consummated the marriage is exactly as big a crock of shit as people who deny the Holocaust happened. Both totally go in the face of evidence and twist the truth to suit their predetermined belief.
Hey moron, no one is denying anything. It happened. it happened more than 1400 years ago. it was in a different time. people today in certain countries marry their cousins? that's wrong to westerners but it is not wrong to them. but whats wrong to your little brain doesnt mean it's wrong in general.

The problem is your little mind can't fathom the difference. it's like going back to the first generation of adam and even and how they had kids twins at a time then married each of their daughters to the sons. so we should say that is wrong? it happened back then. doesnt mean it's wrong when it did.

It is the same with the prophet, you are trying to bring him in bad light. you find the one issue that you think is wrong and do your best to bring him in bad light.

Hmm odd. yet you never bring the good teachings that because that's not good for you.

you're nothing but a bigot. and to even think i had a bit of respect for such a hateful preson
 

Rukas

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#37
Hey moron, no one is denying anything. It happened. it happened more than 1400 years ago. it was in a different time. people today in certain countries marry their cousins? that's wrong to westerners but it is not wrong to them. but whats wrong to your little brain doesnt mean it's wrong in general.

The problem is your little mind can't fathom the difference. it's like going back to the first generation of adam and even and how they had kids twins at a time then married each of their daughters to the sons. so we should say that is wrong? it happened back then. doesnt mean it's wrong when it did.

It is the same with the prophet, you are trying to bring him in bad light. you find the one issue that you think is wrong and do your best to bring him in bad light.

Hmm odd. yet you never bring the good teachings that because that's not good for you.

you're nothing but a bigot. and to even think i had a bit of respect for such a hateful preson

How am I a bigot or a hateful person? The only one in this thread calling people names and getting upset is you. You say "no one in this thread is denying it happened." You should read lyrical start's posts because he actually did just that so I simply provided Islamic literature to prove the situation.

I havent even passed a judgment on the situation, I just pointed it out.

If I wanted to paint Muhammad in a bad light Id go on about killings and lashings and all that stuff. I didnt. I posted a thread about something a lot of people do not know and backed it up not with any sort of bigotry or hearsay or hatefulness but with Islamic scripture.

Ok, so you are saying because some people in today's world marry their cousins it is alright for Muhammad to marry a 6 year old girl? So because something is alright in one culture, it is respect.

Ok, so with that reasoning, do you not think because it is alright to draw Buddah in one culture, it should be alright to draw Muhammad? Or is there a double standard?

You've lost respect for me for reading Islamic scripture and questioning it? Really?
 

Sebastian

Well-Known Member
#38
hatred has blinded you from seeing the truth.
Have you ever opened your eyes in the first place?

Anyway, i thought this circumstance was known around here. Sure as hell has it been mentioned several times in countless discussion on this board.

If i had to say something reagrding the issue i would say this: Culture or not, for someone like him who is the chosen one and the best human being who ever walked this planet earth, i think he could have done better, no?

If the only excuse is "thats was the way things were done back then" then there isnt much left to be said. I'd rather expect him to have set an example that this way of doing things regarding getting married to a child this young is not the best way to go.
 

Rukas

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#39
Have you ever opened your eyes in the first place?

Anyway, i thought this circumstance was known around here. Sure as hell has it been mentioned several times in countless discussion on this board.

If i had to say something reagrding the issue i would say this: Culture or not, for someone like him who is the chosen one and the best human being who ever walked this planet earth, i think he could have done better, no?

If the only excuse is "thats was the way things were done back then" then there isnt much left to be said. I'd rather expect him to have set an example that this way of doing things regarding getting married to a child this young is not the best way to go.
Exactly my thoughts. On top of that, you would think that if God was in a regular communion with this man, at some point he'd have said, "Hey Muhammad, I know this is the culture right now, but really, it is physically and mentally damaging to a young girl. We're trying to start a better Religion here, let's lead by example and not molest children."

I mean, we went from "Treat others as you would like to be treated" to "Have sex with 9 year olds, and if someone accuses her of cheating, lash them."
 
#40
Going through this topic, I find that some people are here to attack more than discuss. I have a pretty high tolerance, and I find some comments on here pretty disrespectful.

Duke, Jokerman and Flipmo brought up a good points.

First of all, Aisha' was 6 at the time of marriage and she was 9 when her marriage was consummated. Its pretty clear in Islamic literature. I dont understand why anyone would try and deny that.

Age is a subjective matter and through different times and different cultures different ages have been considered as adults. In Islam, puberty is the stage that boy and girls become men and women and become fully responsible for their actions. With that in mind, Aisha had began her menstrual cycle, and her marriage was consummated after the fact. Yes I know that 11-12 is the average age for girls to hit that stage in life, but that being an average it obviously means some get there earlier than that and some after. If Aisha had start menstruating she cannot be considered a prepubescent child.

Also Rukas mentioned something about 'oh he married his friends hottest daughter' or something like that. But he also married women much older than him. Infact Aisha was the only virgin he married in his life. And yes overtime it is said that he considered her his favorite wife.

Whether u agree with 9 being an acceptable age or too young is besides the point. We live in different times and have had different upbringings and see age very differently now. It's only natural for us to look at 9 and be like damn thats wayyy too young.


And I thought he was a fag. Covering females with some ninja outfits and stuff.

Hope nobody hacks us to "Jewhop.iz" or something.
I find this quite distasteful. Your comment has no objective other than slander. I didnt expect that type of shit from u. You're usually one to engage in discussion rather than
 

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