Technology Microsoft 'Kin One' and 'Kin Two'

Casey

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Microsoft's two new social networking devices, using the technology they bought from Danger, Inc (creators of the Sidekick).







Based on Windows Phone 7 but with a more social networking focused UI. Coming to Verizon.

It's finally official: Microsoft Pink -- the product of Redmond's acquisition of Danger -- has just been unveiled as a pair of handsets sourced from Sharp (which made most of Danger's Sidekicks) known as the Kin One and Kin Two. The devices are being marketed as Windows Phones, and while they're ultimately based on most of the same underpinnings of Windows Phone 7, it's a distinctly and totally different experience -- the entire user interface is custom to Kin with a heavy social media slant, a custom browser (we're told it's based on the Zune's browser), and surprisingly, zero support for third-party apps. The displays are capacitive with support for multitouch (yes, you can pinch and zoom in the browser), but there's no support for in-browser Flash or Silverlight.

Kin One -- the phone we'd seen rumored as "Turtle" -- is basically a curved square slider with a QVGA display, 4GB of internal storage, 5 megapixel camera with LED flash, and a full QWERTY keyboard. Kin Two, meanwhile, is the phone leaked as the "Pure," upping the ante with a HVGA display and a more traditional landscape QWERTY slide form factor. It also moves up to an 8 megapixel cam and 8GB of internal storage, but otherwise, the experience is roughly the same as what you get on the One; both phones have WiFi and Bluetooth in addition to their 3G cellular radios.. For what it's worth, Microsoft is emphasizing that internal storage really isn't a big deal with the Kin phones, because your entire photo and video collection that you capture using the onboard camera is synced seamlessly with your bottomless online storage; you can access the entire collection from your phone at any time by browsing thumbnails, and if you want the full content, you can download it. Kin comes bundled with a desktop web experience that's entirely based on Silverlight for viewing and sorting just about all of the major stuff that you can see on your phone -- contacts, social network status updates, images, and so on -- and we've got to admit, it looks pretty slick. Keep reading after the break for a lot more info and video!

A big focus for Microsoft with Kin is the totally new, different, crazy UI, which is based on blocky, simple text, monochromatic elements, and zoomed-in, stylized pictures. The big two features unique to Kin are being called "Spot" and "Loop." Loop is sort of the Kin's home screen, aggregating social content from your friends (Twitter, Facebook, and so on) roughly based on order of priority by how you sort your contents, so you don't have to see as many updates from people you don't follow too closely. Spot, meanwhile, is an ever-present green dot at the bottom of the screen where you can drag content -- just about any content, be it maps, images, status updates, videos -- and share it with contacts. Think of it as an "Attach" button in your messaging client, but on steroids.

Both phones have full support for the Zune music and video experience (but not Zune gaming), and it looks like the Zune HD UI we're accustomed to, just as it does on Windows Phone 7. To loop in the Mac community, Microsoft will be offering a Mac-compatible music side-loader -- in other words, it won't be a true, native Zune client and you won't be able to use it to shop for music, but it'll happily connect to iTunes and sync your non-DRM collection. Both phones also support over-the-air firmware updates, so there'll be no need to tether just for that. Speaking of tethering, data tethering isn't supported.

Verizon is getting the Kin One and Two in the US in May, while Vodafone has signed on as the European partner for a Fall launch. We'll update you on specific pricing and availability just as soon as we have it.
Microsoft Kin One and Kin Two announced: Windows Phone roots with a social slant (updated with video) -- Engadget
 

masta247

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They don't look very good but the first one looks handy and compact - I could be potentially interested if the price is right. I'm really looking forward to Windows phone 7 though.
Shame it will probably be expensive and Android already holds its spot in a similar market.
 

masta247

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I don't think so. The OS looks very nice and I think these phones are targeted at all young people (definitely "Kin One" looks more mature though). I don't need my phone to be all serious business if it's nice and rocks interesting specs.
Windows phone 7 is an Internet-oriented OS like Android, just from a different company and imo looks nicer.
 

S O F I

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^Yeah, it's targeted at young people. The reason I say kids is because of the very strong focus on social networking and the design which just looks childish. One Microsoft bigwig put it as a phone for the social generation that puts their social life as #1 on the priority list. I can't fully explain why that gave me an image of the annoying 14 year old girl in class who's only care in the world is knowing instantly what someone commented on her facebook picture or who/what/where retweeted the fuck what i don't know the terms, you get the picture.

regardless, it's not really windows 7, they say. even microsoft doesn't know what to call the fuckery.
 

Flipmo

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its good if youre into the whole facebook/myspace/twitter thing. If you're like me that just enjoys MSN to talk to people, well ... It's arse.
 

Casey

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I don't get why they killed some of the most interesting aspects of the Sidekick service. The Sidekick was the first phone with an inbuilt app catalog, years before the iPhone or Android. And yet these new "Kin" devices which are based on the Hiptop/Sidekick technology that Microsoft acquired, don't support third-party apps at all.

The Sidekick didn't have a great deal of apps, but there was a fairly solid developer community with some talented people in there.
 

masta247

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its good if youre into the whole facebook/myspace/twitter thing. If you're like me that just enjoys MSN to talk to people, well ... It's arse.
I'm sure it'll come with MSN too. I'm not into community sites either - I only check facebook from time to time but that Kin One phone looks like it would be nice for the net and texting. I got used to touchscreen keyboard but as an outcome my texts usually consist of "k fine" and such now. It's not too good to type and I think touchscreen + qwerty is the way to go.

I can't fully explain why that gave me an image of the annoying 14 year old girl in class who's only care in the world is knowing instantly what someone commented on her facebook picture or who/what/where retweeted the fuck what i don't know the terms, you get the picture.
Probably because that's how I also picture people using Facebook/Twitter on the go. However again the difference is that I didn't pay attention to what they said about it and that's probably why I didn't have that impression. I see a quite average looking phone with new Windows phone, a qwerty keyboard and nice specs and I know I wouldn't use it for Twitter and such but it could make a decent phone for everything else. I don't care about marketing gimmicks like twitter apps installed and whatnot. I guess I'm a tough nut for marketers huh.

regardless, it's not really windows 7, they say. even microsoft doesn't know what to call the fuckery.
Yeah I thought from the start that it's a strange and confusing name. I mean okay - they know that people think that Windows 7 was successful so they wanted them to think that this is a mobile version of it and it's as good or whatever. Definitely better than calling it Windows Mobile which is a fail but imo they should come up with something new and not confusing.
 

masta247

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Shit. Now I feel like this offends me as a somewhat potential customer. I know it's just some retarded targeting but.. ah fuck it.

And to think that this looked so promising.

If this sells my faith in humanity is lost.
 

Casey

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I don't know if I ever posted this, but after launching in April, and flopping harder than anything has ever flopped before, Microsoft pulled the plug on the Kin in........ JUNE.

LOL. Shortest product lifespan ever? They were available in Verizon stores on May 13th, and Microsoft pulled the plug in June 30th.

I was actually in the US in May and June, and I saw dummy units in Best Buy. The build quality on these phones was just terrible. Complete and utter garbage, they literally felt like toys. Shit, some of my nephews toys have better build quality than these things did.

Oh yeah, and as for being a "social" phone....it didn't have IM capabilities.

This thing is probably the biggest technological fail of recent times. lol
 

THEV1LL4N

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this phone failed so hard that i have to go off topic and ask how many nephews, cousins and uncles you have lol.

you seem like the one who everyone comes to advice for on technology.
 

Casey

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this phone failed so hard that i have to go off topic and ask how many nephews, cousins and uncles you have lol.

you seem like the one who everyone comes to advice for on technology.
I am.

I can't be bothered to think about it right now but I have at least 20 cousins.

My mom was one of 8 children. All of her siblings except one have children, most of whom have children of their own now. My masi had 6 children who all have children.

The funny part is that, that's all on one side of my family (my mothers side). I have no family on my fathers side at all.
 

THEV1LL4N

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seems like you get on with your family well then.

i love my mums side of the family (except one or two), wish i could say the same for my dad's side. theyre completely different personality-wise. but some are okay at times...

you ever want children one day?

looks like the kin failed hard, there's more talk about the next of kin than the Microsoft kin lol.
 

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