Technology The 'Everything Google that isn't Android' thread

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#61
Google just announced they are ceasing development on Google Wave saying it hasn't obtained the user base they would have liked.

As someone who has been using it a LOT and finding it incredibly useful, I'm equal parts sad and pissed right now.

Frankly I think most people are just too fucking stupid to realize just how great it is. Me and my band wrote our whole new album using it and it was the best possible tool for that - any creative collaboration would benefit from it.

My friends and I use it to share links and stuff, instead of flooding each other's inboxes with the same shit someone else sent us.

It kinda sucks to see it go because it did have its purpose, but I don't see it being as useful outside of that. Not to mention it still suffers from lag.

When it goes down, we may just make a Facebook thread between the four or five of us and it won't be too different from the way we used the Wave.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#62
i stopped using it because there werent enough people on it - mainly streethop people, but the forum is where discussions take place.

i tried getting my group project last year done through Wave, but the others didnt get their invitations in time and even then they were clueless to how it worked. we just resorted to using Docs.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#63
i tried getting my group project last year done through Wave, but the others didnt get their invitations in time and even then they were clueless to how it worked. we just resorted to using Docs.
hahah same, except my group did get invites on time but were clueless and unwilling to learn so we resorted to Docs and google groups. I was frustrated.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#64
Google Docs is the fucking shit, though. I don't even use a word processing program anymore. I just type on the go, whether at the library or at home and all my shit is there waiting for me at all times.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#66
calm down sofia.

i hope google make their own documents app - that would be nice.

i tried getting my group to use wave, and it would've been a great idea because a lot of the members were absent from group meetings. wave would've been the platform that could've eliminated that problem as all i was expecting was one or two wave sessions (log ins) per week minimum just to work from record.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#67
Theory:


1. It's pretty much known at this point that Google is gonna release a full social network Facebook rival site which may be called "Google Me".
2. Google realized how fucking sick it would be if Wave was integrated into this. Imagine seeing people responding to your statuses, uploads, etc, in real time? And other people's statuses on your feed? It'd be like an ever-buzzing alive platform.
3. Google realizes that if they open-sourced the Wave platform (which they said they would when they launched it) - Facebook could just duplicate this functionality.
4. Google shuts down Wave to avoid having to renege on their promise to open-source it, integrates it into Google Me, and BAM! Google Me > Facebook.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#72
Flash on the tablet will decrease battery life, crash your browser more often, and cause security issues.

My computer has never crashed due to flash. I have never had a virus or a security breach. Steve Jobs, I am not interested in your propaganda. Please release SOFi's account.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#74
If I remember correctly, Flash is the cause of about 90% of browser crashes.

Here is one of the many articles I've read on it, the only one I could still unearth.

Daring Fireball: Apple, Adobe, and Flash
Maybe on a Mac.

My Chrome browser on Win7 has never crashed due to Flash. Ever. Neither has my old WinXP tower, and I've deliberately pushed it to websites that are ridiculously Flash-intensive.

As Pittsey said - it's all Apple propaganda to try and offer a weak explanation as to why their mobile OS is horribly crippled.
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#75
Yeah. Windows systems usually crash because of Apple software like Quick time (seriously, who the fuck created that), Itunes and Safari. WAY more often than because of flash. I'm yet to encounter a Flash app ever causing any trouble.

I agree about it eating processor power and thus battery.
Thanks to that stupid propaganda people forget or refuse to comprehend the fact that Flash processes freaking vector graphics in real time, in 30/60/120/240 frames per second! No other technology could do that. It's amazing that they were able to optimize it the way they did and now with Flash lite you can basically play games using vector graphics in real time on your freaking mobile phone! Yes, whenever you want - unlimited resolution, perfectly sharp "texture" edges without anti-aliasing needed on your mobile phone in real time! You can zoom your picture a million of times without noticing a single artifact/pixel/ugly texture because advanced algorithms render your image in real time and it doesn't even need any GPU power because the CPU handles most things. It's only a tad slower doing it than anything else working on highly compressed pre-loaded animations and it's the reason why people bash it.
The most advanced way to display image on your computer is being slowly killed by stupid "oh how flash sucks" Apple fanboys.
And all I hear is people bitching about 20% more energy usage than playing a java game with preloaded low-res textures. I suggest everyone install dos because I'm sure it would use a few percent less energy than Android/Windows/any Apple OS. Damn!

Everyone enjoyed their Flash until Adobe declined to release one for the Iphone and the oh so good Apple decided to do everything to "save" people from that terrible, terrible technology!
Yes Flash does reduce security and raise the risk of your browser crashing. Just like any other program installed. I could bet a lot that Flash is more secure than most other programs that people use.
I'd love to see a comparison with Apple's software as an example. Especially QuickTime and Itunes :moody:
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#76
This is how a single STATIC vector image drains your CPU:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Fortepian_-_mechanizm_angielski.svg

http://www.openclipart.org/people/ikebanto/eucartonn.svg

I dare you to open it and zoom in a lot of times! ;) Actually amount of times is only limited by your browser/image viewer.
You can also feel free to monitor your CPU activity while rendering these static images after each "zoom". 70 gigapixel photos ain't shit on vector graphics because it's not limited by these old fashioned things called "pixels".

Now Flash can display something like this actually "in motion", many times per second while keeping a very small file size and visual performance just slightly inferior to a preloaded, compressed, low-res file.
Now to people who know and like flash, Jobs saying that Flash is "not optimized well" sounds like the biggest village idiot ever. Sure, it's not compatible with Apple's system - it would be fair to say that.
Unfortunately most people don't know Flash and Jobs hopes that people who do know it will have to move over to something else because that's what people who don't know Flash will do after his well planned propaganda actions. Even some semi-pros and IT specialists who don't know Flash believe his bullshit.. Some people don't use Flash "just in case, because people say it's not good or something".
Some people spread this further.
"Ooh a recent study shows that Flash is not perfect! There's a potential threat in Adobe's security systems in Flash - let's say something controversial. Let's say that Flash is the most dangerous app ever, that it sucks and will destroy your computer!".
I bet that a lot of these people still use the Internet Explorer and had no major issues with it but it's cool to say that it's Flash that's so dangerous.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#78
/\ That article is complete horseshit and the writer doesn't know what he's talking about.

He claims that Google are paying phone manufacturers with Android devices to keep Google Search as the default search engine on them.....LOL, completely bogus.

He claims the smartphones on some networks are "crippled", but doesn't say how. The sole example I can think of, of "crippling", is AT&T removing the ability to load apps from anywhere but Android Market on the Backflip.

Google clearly knew during the spring of 2010, as it was planning to kill off the Nexus One, that Sprint’s EVO, Verizon’s Droid X, AT&T’s Captivate and T-Mobile’s Vibrant models were on the way.
And all of those smartphones are crippled by their carriers. They didn’t have to be.
Again, I'll say.... HOW exactly are these devices crippled?

He points towards you not being able to remove the NASCAR app from the Evo unless you root. Big fucking deal, nobody is forcing anyone to use it, there's enough internal memory on the Evo to not have to worry about the space it takes up, and FroYo supports moving apps to the SD card making it less of an issue. And if you really are THAT concerned about it.... root it.

Then he says that Sprint and Verizon have crippled Android 2.2's built in tethering. They haven't. They charge a fee for tethering, which is fair enough. On the few occasions I've tethered, I've used hundreds of megabytes of data just from simple things like surfing, email, Twitter. When tethering becomes a selling point of the OS like it is with FroYo, rather than a workaround/stealth feature as it was before - people are going to buy them just to use that as their primary modem at home. You start streaming video and music, or using torrents, and you're pushing gigabytes of additional data very quickly.....OBVIOUSLY it's their prerogative to charge you for that and I see nothing wrong with that. You're getting great speeds (4G with Sprint if you're in a coverage zone) and they're only charging, what, 10 or 20 bucks on top of your existing plan?

The guys's saying "Google could have forced the companies to do XYZ" and "Google could have had rules that said this and that".... Google does not operate like Apple, or any other traditional/old-school technology company.

He's speculating that Verizon and Google will act like AT&T and Apple by banning apps to protect their business. NOT.GONNA.HAPPEN.

This whole "net neutrality" thing is a NON-issue. People are getting wound up by agreements and words. It's all a bunch of "this allows them to...", "now they have the ability to..." "they're going to....".

Fact is there's nothing here worth people getting pissed off about. Sure, IF they DO go ahead and do some of the things these naysayers are speculating about, people can complain then.

This article makes me lose faith in a lot of people who masquerade as journalists.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#79
I like the new look of GMail. It's so subtle. It obviously tells you "hey, we changed something" and you kinda see it, but can't quite put your finger on it. But I like it, the font and all.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#80
Im just sorting out my contacts again. its really nice how it all syncs together. but i hate the "too many contact deletes" error message in android.
 

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