I believe god or something watches over us because of history. Theres some type of god(s) inn every culture. I just think the meaning got lost. Plus i have trouble believing that everything is just a coincidence. Maybe im just optimistic hoping this worlds got a purpose and theres something better out there. Guess i just dont wanna believe this is it.
Your conclusion on God's existence
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Ha, Most people? I'd say a fraction of the worlds population. His theories are about as probable as any religious theory.
Really it's no wonder you're a non-believer. I dont expect to be a christian when i know nothing about christianity, I dont expect to be a math teacher when i know nothing about Math, I dont expect to be a rocket scientist when i know nothing about rockets, so how could you be a believer when you know nothing about Faith? I have every reason to shake my head.
That time is coming dont worry. Thats the purpose of the Day of Judgement. No reason for him to judge you now, otherwise we'd all be judged now.
Wow, you've just contradicted yourself. You say you're a non-believer until you see proof with your own eyes, so what proof have you seen with your own eyes that everything was coincidental?
We agree on something
Im sick and tired of answering this question, it is one of the weakest questions non-believers have come up with.
The Spark of Life has everything to do with Evolution, Without that spark the possibility for it to have occured is about as possible as you or I appearing out of nowhere and populated the Earth. Science is out of the question here, Science can go as far as explaining how things work etc. Explaining where this cell came from is beyond the hands of Science. Someone or something created or planted this cell on Earth and began evolving.
The fact that the coccyx supports the bones around the pelvic bone, and did it not exist, we would be unable to sit comfortably, and believed to be the fixing point for various organs and muscles in the pelvic region shows that it does have a USE and it is NOT functionless. Period. the same with the Appendix.
And the fact that most have been removed from the list of vistigial organs that does not make the rest functionless. Like the article I posted said, as science progressed most were removed and as science progresses more it's only safe to assume that the rest will to. Also, most of those structures you listed do have a use and were removed from the list of vestigial organs. Id be happy to show you their uses.
Really it's no wonder you're a non-believer. I dont expect to be a christian when i know nothing about christianity, I dont expect to be a math teacher when i know nothing about Math, I dont expect to be a rocket scientist when i know nothing about rockets, so how could you be a believer when you know nothing about Faith? I have every reason to shake my head.
That time is coming dont worry. Thats the purpose of the Day of Judgement. No reason for him to judge you now, otherwise we'd all be judged now.
Wow, you've just contradicted yourself. You say you're a non-believer until you see proof with your own eyes, so what proof have you seen with your own eyes that everything was coincidental?
We agree on something
Im sick and tired of answering this question, it is one of the weakest questions non-believers have come up with.
The Spark of Life has everything to do with Evolution, Without that spark the possibility for it to have occured is about as possible as you or I appearing out of nowhere and populated the Earth. Science is out of the question here, Science can go as far as explaining how things work etc. Explaining where this cell came from is beyond the hands of Science. Someone or something created or planted this cell on Earth and began evolving.
The fact that the coccyx supports the bones around the pelvic bone, and did it not exist, we would be unable to sit comfortably, and believed to be the fixing point for various organs and muscles in the pelvic region shows that it does have a USE and it is NOT functionless. Period. the same with the Appendix.
And the fact that most have been removed from the list of vistigial organs that does not make the rest functionless. Like the article I posted said, as science progressed most were removed and as science progresses more it's only safe to assume that the rest will to. Also, most of those structures you listed do have a use and were removed from the list of vestigial organs. Id be happy to show you their uses.
I think for a lot of us, when you grow more you make the leap of faith, not to atheism but to God. When you're a child you believe it like a fairy tale, as a young adult you start to see the inconsistencies and problems and try to work them out, and as you grow into adulthood you find yourself thinking rationally that there probably is a God. It takes certain things such as the birth of your child, the death of a loved one, an illness, or some sort of spiritual experience or something. For example, I have been going through clinical depression for several years, and in that time, I went in with God, lost it on the way, and now I am starting to come out with that faith again.
But I think that part of the mystery of life is that there is no evidence for God, but in my opinion there are hidden messages (see "American Beauty") to open your eyes up to. It's not logical at all, but it can be very practical and very useful for your life.
And even if there is no afterlife, it doesn't matter because none of us would ever know, or have the capacity to be dissappointed about it or (in an atheist case) feel the "I-told-you-so." If atheists are right, they will never know it, and they will probably die with at least some doubt. If theists are wrong, we will never know, we will die thinking that we are in for the next stage. No one will have the chance to feel right or wrong, only wondering.
~peace~
But I think that part of the mystery of life is that there is no evidence for God, but in my opinion there are hidden messages (see "American Beauty") to open your eyes up to. It's not logical at all, but it can be very practical and very useful for your life.
And even if there is no afterlife, it doesn't matter because none of us would ever know, or have the capacity to be dissappointed about it or (in an atheist case) feel the "I-told-you-so." If atheists are right, they will never know it, and they will probably die with at least some doubt. If theists are wrong, we will never know, we will die thinking that we are in for the next stage. No one will have the chance to feel right or wrong, only wondering.
~peace~
@ Teck Neek.
Basically you haven't answered any of my questions. Do you have any answers, or doyou just blindly follow without asking questions?
All you can do is insult me because I don't believe. A typical religious nut if ever there was an example of 1.
Your answers are ludicrous. And obviously you have never read the bible. It says that love between 2 men is a sin!! So I don't see with being a math teacher has to do it with.
I don't try and ridicule you for believing so why condemn those who don't believe.
Your answers have given me a good laugh and cemented my opinion of you. But apart from that you just wasted 15 minutes of your life. And life is preciuous... Because when it ends, it ends.
And LOL at my judgment is coming. If only there wasn't a no beef rule on this forum.
Edit - I'm done with this thread, mainly due to your attitude. I've given my opinions, so I'm happy.
Basically you haven't answered any of my questions. Do you have any answers, or doyou just blindly follow without asking questions?
All you can do is insult me because I don't believe. A typical religious nut if ever there was an example of 1.
Your answers are ludicrous. And obviously you have never read the bible. It says that love between 2 men is a sin!! So I don't see with being a math teacher has to do it with.
I don't try and ridicule you for believing so why condemn those who don't believe.
Your answers have given me a good laugh and cemented my opinion of you. But apart from that you just wasted 15 minutes of your life. And life is preciuous... Because when it ends, it ends.
And LOL at my judgment is coming. If only there wasn't a no beef rule on this forum.
Edit - I'm done with this thread, mainly due to your attitude. I've given my opinions, so I'm happy.
Pittsey, if you feel that i have offended you than im sorry, however I avoid people who are involved in discussions who know nothing of what they're discussing. I ignore people who jump in debates about for example, Evolution Vs creationism when those people have no knowledge of either side. I dont mind discussing with people like Jokerman or Illumin. because they're quite informed about the subject, they pretty much understand how both creationism and evolution work, they bring new stuff to the table and not childish questions like "if God hates gay people why doesnt he punish them now". do you really expect me to answer such a stupid question? Get real!
You're crying about me insulting you yet you did just that with lol'ing at my beliefs, but do i care? no
You're crying about me insulting you yet you did just that with lol'ing at my beliefs, but do i care? no
My advice to you Pitttsey is go out put a little effort into understanding religion. Be open minded, you wont be "brainwashed" if you do. It's better to understand something and then reject it than rejecting it without understanding it, otherwise you're just bveing ignorant and your rejection will be based on ignorance alone. you will easily find your answers to questions such as "if the ten commandment are so important why doesnt god punish us now" and the like that way. Until then if you feel you still dont understand i will gladly answer such questions.
I dont judge a book by its cover, I read it than judge it, I dont judge a movie by it's title, I watch it than I judge it
I dont judge a book by its cover, I read it than judge it, I dont judge a movie by it's title, I watch it than I judge it
I was just raised to believe in God and I seriously doubt anyone could change my mind about it. Besides, it makes more sense that there is a higher being that created everything we see around us than it does to think there was a big explosion and everything just fell into place. Just my opinion though.
God allows the suffering because it's all part of His great plan. God doesn't make us do evil things, Satan does. Satan was God's right hand man til he decided he wanted to take over and was cast into Hell. It isn't God's voice that you hear that tells you to kill someone or makes you so angry that you hurt someone, that's all Satan. If your belief in God isn't there or isn't strong enough, Satan can make you do whatever he wants because bad things are easier to do than good things. It's just like believing the bad stuff people tell you is easier than believing the good stuff. Again, just my opinion from what I was taught. But we'll all find out what's real and what isn't when it comes time for Judgement Day, and from the looks of the way this world is today, that day isn't far off.
God allows the suffering because it's all part of His great plan. God doesn't make us do evil things, Satan does. Satan was God's right hand man til he decided he wanted to take over and was cast into Hell. It isn't God's voice that you hear that tells you to kill someone or makes you so angry that you hurt someone, that's all Satan. If your belief in God isn't there or isn't strong enough, Satan can make you do whatever he wants because bad things are easier to do than good things. It's just like believing the bad stuff people tell you is easier than believing the good stuff. Again, just my opinion from what I was taught. But we'll all find out what's real and what isn't when it comes time for Judgement Day, and from the looks of the way this world is today, that day isn't far off.
Someone created this engine for it to work. An engine can't work if it didn't exist therefore Evolution can't work if this cell didn't exist so someone or something MUST have created or planted this cell on Earth so it CAN do it's work. Lets just say for the sake of this discussion that Evolution is fact, the possibility for this cell to pop out of nowhere and start evolving is ZERO. It's unscientific and illogical to believe so. Thats my point, not how it works it's how it began.
I understand more than you know. You obviously have never read the bible. And I suspect you only pull the parts from the Qu'ran that you wish to.
The bible is a poorly written book with many inaccuracies.
My questions were designed to be stupid. Yet you still haven't given me 1 answer.
I never laughed at your beliefs, I respect people who have religious beliefs. It seems you are pissed off that I don't believe in the "mighty" god. I laughed at you telling me my judgement is coming.
Could you elaborate on that?
When you became old enough to think for yourself did you try to come to your own conclusion? Did you question your beliefs? Did you want to question your own beliefs?
Do you think it was good that you were raised to believe in God? Would you have prefered to be exposed to God when you were old enough to think for yourself?
When you became old enough to think for yourself did you try to come to your own conclusion? Did you question your beliefs? Did you want to question your own beliefs?
Do you think it was good that you were raised to believe in God? Would you have prefered to be exposed to God when you were old enough to think for yourself?
Luv4Pac4Ever said:
God allows the suffering because it's all part of His great plan. God doesn't make us do evil things, Satan does. Satan was God's right hand man til he decided he wanted to take over and was cast into Hell. It isn't God's voice that you hear that tells you to kill someone or makes you so angry that you hurt someone, that's all Satan.
I don't think anyone thinks that God makes us do evil things, they just don't understand how He could allow them to happen.
How can everything be a part of His great plan when there's an outside influence (Satan) or are Satan's actions part of his great plan as well?
And would you say it's fair for God to judge people who have been influenced by Satan?
Wouldn't you say that people believe in God because it's easier for some them to believe the good stuff (that God exists and everything is happens for a reason) over the bad stuff (that God doesn't exist and that bad things simply happen)?
I have absolutely no idea whether or not God exists so you could say my believe isn't there, yet Satan can't "make me do whatever he wants".
Interesting choice of words. Kind of unclear whether you actually agree with it or if you're just hoping that it's true.
Well if God doesn't exist we won't find out
Speaking of Judgement Day, how will anyone that died before they even got a chance to do good or bad be judged? Babies that died at birth?
I don't think anyone thinks that God makes us do evil things, they just don't understand how He could allow them to happen.
How can everything be a part of His great plan when there's an outside influence (Satan) or are Satan's actions part of his great plan as well?
And would you say it's fair for God to judge people who have been influenced by Satan?
Wouldn't you say that people believe in God because it's easier for some them to believe the good stuff (that God exists and everything is happens for a reason) over the bad stuff (that God doesn't exist and that bad things simply happen)?
I have absolutely no idea whether or not God exists so you could say my believe isn't there, yet Satan can't "make me do whatever he wants".
Interesting choice of words. Kind of unclear whether you actually agree with it or if you're just hoping that it's true.
Well if God doesn't exist we won't find out
Speaking of Judgement Day, how will anyone that died before they even got a chance to do good or bad be judged? Babies that died at birth?
I've read the Bible, I know more about the Bible and Chrisitianity than ALOT of christians do. I dont know what you mean by me pulling parts from the Qur'an that i wish to. I pull parts that need to be pulled to get my point across, i dont see the need to pull parts that are irrelevant to the discussion that im discussing. If an argument requires me to pull parts i pull them if not why bother?
Sure why not?
And im designed not to answer stupid questions
Yes im pissed off at you for not believing in God, because at the of the day God will punish me in your place right? i mutilate myself every night while screaming "why pittsey why, love thy God"
I never specificaly said your judgment is coming, I said the day of judgement is coming and we're all going to be judged. Thats my belief and you laughed.
Read the last post in Chronics other thread or part one of this thread.
Sure why not?
And im designed not to answer stupid questions
Yes im pissed off at you for not believing in God, because at the of the day God will punish me in your place right? i mutilate myself every night while screaming "why pittsey why, love thy God"
I never specificaly said your judgment is coming, I said the day of judgement is coming and we're all going to be judged. Thats my belief and you laughed.
Read the last post in Chronics other thread or part one of this thread.
I didn't mean in this argument. So you've studied Religious studies. Most Christians aren't truly religious. They visit church very little and read the bible rarely. So I'd say you most definately know more than most CHristians.
Wouldn't god want a book that Christians base their beliefs and tailor their lives to, to be correct? Why not just write it himself. He created the world in 6 days surely he can write a book. And update it every once in a while.
Yes. And you still haven't answered 1. If they're stupid surely the answer must be obvious, or do you not have 1?
A lot of religious people haven't done such dis-similar things. And most deeply religious people do try and "convert" you. I welcome people with religious beliefs. And I believe Religion helps a lot of people, but I also believe a lot of the worlds problems are caused by Religion.
In that case I misunderstood and I apologise. I thought you meant I was going to be judged for my blasphemy.
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