Yankees sign Johnny Damon
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the ChiSox add Vazquez and Thome and they're weaker?
Being probably the biggest Sox fan on the board, I want to say that I'm pissed and I'm not. I'm pissed that Johnny Damon declares his love and loyalty for his team, city, and fans, then bolts to our rivals because they offered him a little more dough. That's fucking low.
Though it's also the front office's fault for not offering the fifth year.
That being said, it doesn't hurt Boston too much. The holes can and will be filled, and Damon won't be the same player for the Yanks as he was for the Sox. If you look at the stats, Damon was much better in Fenway than anywhere else. He'll be an improvement for the Yankees, but he won't be an out of this world player either.
The Sox have a lot of problems they need to deal with (1B, SS, CF, Manny, the font office), but by the time the season comes around, I expect them to be ready to go. They'll probably get Glaus (solves 1B), I think they'll talk the Orioles into a better trade for Tejada (solves SS and Manny), and they'll fill the gaps in at center and left, probably with Jeremy Reed (not sure if that's an actual solution).
CF - Reed
2B - Loretta
DH - Ortiz
SS - Tejada
1B - Glaus
C - Varitek
RF - Nixon
3B - Lowell
LF - ??
If that happened, and the Red Sox starters stay healthy, Boston will still be a force in the AL.
Of course, that's just me being optimistic.
Being probably the biggest Sox fan on the board, I want to say that I'm pissed and I'm not. I'm pissed that Johnny Damon declares his love and loyalty for his team, city, and fans, then bolts to our rivals because they offered him a little more dough. That's fucking low.
Though it's also the front office's fault for not offering the fifth year.
That being said, it doesn't hurt Boston too much. The holes can and will be filled, and Damon won't be the same player for the Yanks as he was for the Sox. If you look at the stats, Damon was much better in Fenway than anywhere else. He'll be an improvement for the Yankees, but he won't be an out of this world player either.
The Sox have a lot of problems they need to deal with (1B, SS, CF, Manny, the font office), but by the time the season comes around, I expect them to be ready to go. They'll probably get Glaus (solves 1B), I think they'll talk the Orioles into a better trade for Tejada (solves SS and Manny), and they'll fill the gaps in at center and left, probably with Jeremy Reed (not sure if that's an actual solution).
CF - Reed
2B - Loretta
DH - Ortiz
SS - Tejada
1B - Glaus
C - Varitek
RF - Nixon
3B - Lowell
LF - ??
If that happened, and the Red Sox starters stay healthy, Boston will still be a force in the AL.
Of course, that's just me being optimistic.
If you say so.. marlins beat yanks in 03. Even if thats the case yanks wont even make it to world series then. teams in AL are as good as yanks. last year angels knocked us out, year before sox, year before if it wasnt for aroon walk home we' wouldnt make to world series and year before angels again beat us in championship game. so getting in world series for yanks isnt as easy anymore as winning the whole thing. it seems yanks have to goals- first, getting out of the AL and then winning the world series. and too many 'if's is no good.
yanks arent ready to start the season as of today. they still need couple of good pitchers.
yanks arent ready to start the season as of today. they still need couple of good pitchers.
"stop being such a pessimest dude, the Chisox and Bosox both got weaker this offseason and the Yankees got stronger, thats all it takes for a trip to the World Series"
aha, what a moron...the sox got weaker??? im a cubs fan, and shitting my pants at what the sox did...
lets see, lose thomas, a little pussbag, albeit a good pussbag, and they got thome...injury-prone...fine...but he'll DH..konerko can take first...
they just got freaking javier vazquez...a strike out...machine...they easily have the best 5 man rotation in the majors...no garland might hurt, but vaquez is the man....
who else did they lose?? everett didnt matter at all, and i dunno if they still got dye...
they did not get worse, they just got a little better...
the red sox stole beckett and lowell...mota...i dunno, he's been pretty shitty lately, but he'll come around and there's your closer..or set up man..whatver....mark loretta...look at his stats the past 3 years...then come talk to me...
and to that one kid that projected the opening day roster...the red sox sure as fuck arent gonna get tejada and glaus....i guarantee you...it'll be oneo r the other...or neither...bosox dont have that much money...
aha, what a moron...the sox got weaker??? im a cubs fan, and shitting my pants at what the sox did...
lets see, lose thomas, a little pussbag, albeit a good pussbag, and they got thome...injury-prone...fine...but he'll DH..konerko can take first...
they just got freaking javier vazquez...a strike out...machine...they easily have the best 5 man rotation in the majors...no garland might hurt, but vaquez is the man....
who else did they lose?? everett didnt matter at all, and i dunno if they still got dye...
they did not get worse, they just got a little better...
the red sox stole beckett and lowell...mota...i dunno, he's been pretty shitty lately, but he'll come around and there's your closer..or set up man..whatver....mark loretta...look at his stats the past 3 years...then come talk to me...
and to that one kid that projected the opening day roster...the red sox sure as fuck arent gonna get tejada and glaus....i guarantee you...it'll be oneo r the other...or neither...bosox dont have that much money...
they no longer have to pay damon's salary, so that makes room for glaus right there, and if they get tejada it will be for manny, so i don't see how money would really be a factor in those two deals.
if they don't get one or either of them it will be because the d-backs or the orioles are asking for too much
if they don't get one or either of them it will be because the d-backs or the orioles are asking for too much
" they no longer have to pay damon's salary"
no shit, he was lost to free agency....you dont think lowell, beckett and mota will take up that free money?
"and if they get tejada it will be for manny"
so you trade for a player and so now you dont have to pay him??? tejada costs 60 million...if they trade manny, they'll prolly have to give money alongside him...
no shit, he was lost to free agency....you dont think lowell, beckett and mota will take up that free money?
"and if they get tejada it will be for manny"
so you trade for a player and so now you dont have to pay him??? tejada costs 60 million...if they trade manny, they'll prolly have to give money alongside him...
no.. they traded for them while they were still planning on signing damon.. beckett/lowell/mota have no bearing on any finances related to damon or his departure
there's also a report that they could use the money to sign kevin millwood
manny makes more than miguel, so even if they have to pay some of manny's contract, they won't being paying anymore than they already do
there's also a report that they could use the money to sign kevin millwood
manny makes more than miguel, so even if they have to pay some of manny's contract, they won't being paying anymore than they already do
^haha hahahahah
lets get your facts straight, AM.....tejada is being traded with four years remaining on his contract.....manny has less than that...give me a number for manny, and then we'll talk
the red sox, i guarantee you.....will not get tejada....the cubs are the top bidders if tejada carries on his bid to be traded....there are rumors that he might stay...so...
lets get your facts straight, AM.....tejada is being traded with four years remaining on his contract.....manny has less than that...give me a number for manny, and then we'll talk
the red sox, i guarantee you.....will not get tejada....the cubs are the top bidders if tejada carries on his bid to be traded....there are rumors that he might stay...so...
oh and this just in, the red sox are fuckin stocked...if they dont win the division, i will lose the little respect i have for them
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rotowire-evinillwoodeceivesou&prov=rotowire&type=lgns
there you have it..
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rotowire-evinillwoodeceivesou&prov=rotowire&type=lgns
there you have it..
lets go back to basics here...
tell me if you disagree...
pitching wins games?? correct??? it takes you through the postseason, not to it...
name the 04 red sox 5 man rotation...hell, throw in the bullpen too...
now, name the projected 06 rotation....you lose pedro, big loss, but you've gained clement (although a year ago) no you got beckett, prolly millwood, and for your bullpen you have timlin to back up foulke, and mota isnt shabby either...what are the red sox missing from 04??? just pedro, but they've made up for it, in my opinion...
for offense, you lose your leadoff hitter, damon, but you get it back in loretta, who's no damon, but as long as he gets on base, ortiz and manny (if he stays) should be able to knock him in...who else did they get?? i cant keep track of all these transactions, so i'm gonna have to go brush up on those....but the red sox have a shot, i think against the yankees this year....04 they were nowhere close to beating them...last year they were, and who have they lost from last year, ust damon?? like i said, these offseason acquisitions should make up...in fact supercede damon's contributions...i would gladly give up my allstart lineup for an all star bullpen and rotation...bank robber, you're our #1 sports fan here, im sure atleast you will understand my choice...
tell me if you disagree...
pitching wins games?? correct??? it takes you through the postseason, not to it...
name the 04 red sox 5 man rotation...hell, throw in the bullpen too...
now, name the projected 06 rotation....you lose pedro, big loss, but you've gained clement (although a year ago) no you got beckett, prolly millwood, and for your bullpen you have timlin to back up foulke, and mota isnt shabby either...what are the red sox missing from 04??? just pedro, but they've made up for it, in my opinion...
for offense, you lose your leadoff hitter, damon, but you get it back in loretta, who's no damon, but as long as he gets on base, ortiz and manny (if he stays) should be able to knock him in...who else did they get?? i cant keep track of all these transactions, so i'm gonna have to go brush up on those....but the red sox have a shot, i think against the yankees this year....04 they were nowhere close to beating them...last year they were, and who have they lost from last year, ust damon?? like i said, these offseason acquisitions should make up...in fact supercede damon's contributions...i would gladly give up my allstart lineup for an all star bullpen and rotation...bank robber, you're our #1 sports fan here, im sure atleast you will understand my choice...
**kevin millwood has agreed to terms with the Rangers, no Beantown for him**
pitchers:
Keith Foulke - I wouldn't trust this guy with a 10 run lead
Mike Timlin is 39 (or 40), his arm could fall off at any moment
Beckett - great when healthy, but too many injury problems
Schilling is a shell (or should i say a Schill) of the man he was in 2004
Clement has a history of starting off strong and tanking after the AS break
Wakefield - one of the best knuckle-ballers in the game
David Wells is schizofranic, some days hes great some days hes horrible
Bronson Arroyo will probably be traded by the time April rolls around
Then on offense you'd got...
Manny - wants to be traded, better suited for DH role
Jason Veritek - best hitting catcher in baseball
David Ortizzle - no complaints unless he has to play 1B
Mike Lowell - had a .236 batting average last year in 150 games
Mark Loretta - Good fielder and runner, below average with bat
Trot Nixon - hahahahaha
then your missing a first basemen, center fielder, shortstop
The major problem with the Sox is chemistry. In 2003 and 2004, these were a bunch of fun-loving, happy guys who loved to play ball with eachother. They played well as a team, never had any clubhouse contraversey among players (ie team mates fighting) and they had confidence in eachother.
Now the 2006 Red Sox will look like Lucchino just threw together a random team of free agents to play with David Ortiz. The sox lost the aura they once had, now they're just a minature version of the Yankees and Mets, with less talent
pitchers:
Keith Foulke - I wouldn't trust this guy with a 10 run lead
Mike Timlin is 39 (or 40), his arm could fall off at any moment
Beckett - great when healthy, but too many injury problems
Schilling is a shell (or should i say a Schill) of the man he was in 2004
Clement has a history of starting off strong and tanking after the AS break
Wakefield - one of the best knuckle-ballers in the game
David Wells is schizofranic, some days hes great some days hes horrible
Bronson Arroyo will probably be traded by the time April rolls around
Then on offense you'd got...
Manny - wants to be traded, better suited for DH role
Jason Veritek - best hitting catcher in baseball
David Ortizzle - no complaints unless he has to play 1B
Mike Lowell - had a .236 batting average last year in 150 games
Mark Loretta - Good fielder and runner, below average with bat
Trot Nixon - hahahahaha
then your missing a first basemen, center fielder, shortstop
The major problem with the Sox is chemistry. In 2003 and 2004, these were a bunch of fun-loving, happy guys who loved to play ball with eachother. They played well as a team, never had any clubhouse contraversey among players (ie team mates fighting) and they had confidence in eachother.
Now the 2006 Red Sox will look like Lucchino just threw together a random team of free agents to play with David Ortiz. The sox lost the aura they once had, now they're just a minature version of the Yankees and Mets, with less talent
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Apwfc8x3VoiC3G1HPVQHbjsRvLYF?slug=ap-rangers-millwood&prov=ap&type=lgns
yup, millwood's gone...
" pitchers:
Keith Foulke - I wouldn't trust this guy with a 10 run lead
Mike Timlin is 39 (or 40), his arm could fall off at any moment
Beckett - great when healthy, but too many injury problems
Schilling is a shell (or should i say a Schill) of the man he was in 2004
Clement has a history of starting off strong and tanking after the AS break
Wakefield - one of the best knuckle-ballers in the game
David Wells is schizofranic, some days hes great some days hes horrible
Bronson Arroyo will probably be traded by the time April rolls around
Then on offense you'd got...
Manny - wants to be traded, better suited for DH role
Jason Veritek - best hitting catcher in baseball
David Ortizzle - no complaints unless he has to play 1B
Mike Lowell - had a .236 batting average last year in 150 games
Mark Loretta - Good fielder and runner, below average with bat
Trot Nixon - hahahahaha"
i like how you brought out the bad....now bring me the good, which greatly outweighs the bad...
mark loretta is not bad with a bat... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5504/career;_ylt=Ap8xJI0oaGa0tzEzwqHDfOeFCLcF
yeah, lowell sucks....my ass http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6133/career;_ylt=Ap8xJI0oaGa0tzEzwqHDfOeFCLcF
he has one bad year and now he sucks huh??? he played with an injury...or after surgery...some shit like that...he wasnt healthy...but his numbers on a marlins team like the ones it has been the past couple years, they're good numbers...especially fora #6 batter...
whatever clement does, doesn't matter...in the end, he gets the win, and he's an amazing pitcher....im a cubs fan...i've seen him at his best....he hasnt been the same after that hit to the head...which happened to be just before the allstar break...his time with the cubs are the stats to look at...before he played with a sub-par padres team and a shitty marlins team...his stint with the cubs is a good time to see what he can do...this year, his wins improved greatly with an offense that was much better than the cubs....
randy johnson is 40+, roger clemens is 40+, kenny rogers is 40+, maddux is 40+, franco is gonna be 50+ pretty soon....you see their arms falling off? shit, do you even know who mike timlin is??? he's had a solid career...at this point he actually stepped it up when foulke went out...hell, do you even know foulke??
what about mota?? is he good enough for you, or will his arm fall off as well...once again...one bad year...you always judge the players that have just one bad year out of several other good ones...
yup, millwood's gone...
" pitchers:
Keith Foulke - I wouldn't trust this guy with a 10 run lead
Mike Timlin is 39 (or 40), his arm could fall off at any moment
Beckett - great when healthy, but too many injury problems
Schilling is a shell (or should i say a Schill) of the man he was in 2004
Clement has a history of starting off strong and tanking after the AS break
Wakefield - one of the best knuckle-ballers in the game
David Wells is schizofranic, some days hes great some days hes horrible
Bronson Arroyo will probably be traded by the time April rolls around
Then on offense you'd got...
Manny - wants to be traded, better suited for DH role
Jason Veritek - best hitting catcher in baseball
David Ortizzle - no complaints unless he has to play 1B
Mike Lowell - had a .236 batting average last year in 150 games
Mark Loretta - Good fielder and runner, below average with bat
Trot Nixon - hahahahaha"
i like how you brought out the bad....now bring me the good, which greatly outweighs the bad...
mark loretta is not bad with a bat... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5504/career;_ylt=Ap8xJI0oaGa0tzEzwqHDfOeFCLcF
yeah, lowell sucks....my ass http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6133/career;_ylt=Ap8xJI0oaGa0tzEzwqHDfOeFCLcF
he has one bad year and now he sucks huh??? he played with an injury...or after surgery...some shit like that...he wasnt healthy...but his numbers on a marlins team like the ones it has been the past couple years, they're good numbers...especially fora #6 batter...
whatever clement does, doesn't matter...in the end, he gets the win, and he's an amazing pitcher....im a cubs fan...i've seen him at his best....he hasnt been the same after that hit to the head...which happened to be just before the allstar break...his time with the cubs are the stats to look at...before he played with a sub-par padres team and a shitty marlins team...his stint with the cubs is a good time to see what he can do...this year, his wins improved greatly with an offense that was much better than the cubs....
randy johnson is 40+, roger clemens is 40+, kenny rogers is 40+, maddux is 40+, franco is gonna be 50+ pretty soon....you see their arms falling off? shit, do you even know who mike timlin is??? he's had a solid career...at this point he actually stepped it up when foulke went out...hell, do you even know foulke??
what about mota?? is he good enough for you, or will his arm fall off as well...once again...one bad year...you always judge the players that have just one bad year out of several other good ones...
Loretta had a 96 OPS+, thats 4 points below the league average, thats enough for me to say he's not good with the bat
Lowell had a 77 OPS+ last year after several years of production, I'm not goin to write that off and assume he can go back to producing next year, thats being too optomistic for my likings
Mike Timlin is a different case than RJ or Clemens, closers don't get a guaratneed 4 day resting period, sometimes even 5 or 6 days. You bring up John Franco?? HE SUCKS, what the fuck kind of example is that? If you meant Julio Franco, I hate to inform you he is not a pitcher.
Clement started off great in 2004 with the Cubs and then tanked the second half of the year, I even saw some Cubs games that year at Wrigley Field, I know what I'm talking about.
Do I know who Keith Foulke is? Yes I do, a once great closer who got injured and lost his confidence last year while his ERA was higher than my brain on Friday nights.
Didn't Guillermo Mota have an ERA of 4.70 last year in 60-some odd innings? That's not going to get it done in Fenway, a pitchers torture chamber.
and what about short stop, center field, first base and lead-off hitter?
Lowell had a 77 OPS+ last year after several years of production, I'm not goin to write that off and assume he can go back to producing next year, thats being too optomistic for my likings
Mike Timlin is a different case than RJ or Clemens, closers don't get a guaratneed 4 day resting period, sometimes even 5 or 6 days. You bring up John Franco?? HE SUCKS, what the fuck kind of example is that? If you meant Julio Franco, I hate to inform you he is not a pitcher.
Clement started off great in 2004 with the Cubs and then tanked the second half of the year, I even saw some Cubs games that year at Wrigley Field, I know what I'm talking about.
Do I know who Keith Foulke is? Yes I do, a once great closer who got injured and lost his confidence last year while his ERA was higher than my brain on Friday nights.
Didn't Guillermo Mota have an ERA of 4.70 last year in 60-some odd innings? That's not going to get it done in Fenway, a pitchers torture chamber.
and what about short stop, center field, first base and lead-off hitter?
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