Technology Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive to cost $400 USD
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tell me if im wrong, but people modded their xboxes to have a bigger HDD....so that would be about...300 gigs or so??
why cant they just do this to the 360 once they finally manage to crack it? is an HD HDD diff. than a reg one?? if it is, couldnt you still find one for cheaper, and possibly more capacity?
why cant they just do this to the 360 once they finally manage to crack it? is an HD HDD diff. than a reg one?? if it is, couldnt you still find one for cheaper, and possibly more capacity?
The HD DVD drive is for playing HD DVD movies. This is the drive that is competing *cough* with the blue ray. It's newer technology than dvd. Even if you could find a cheaper hd dvd drive( you can't atm) ,it wouldn't work with the 360 because most of the processing components are already built into the console and programmed specifically for it.
I'll tell you one thing. The 360 will not get cracked. The way the current hack works is, the console grabs info from the dvd to check if it's a real dvd. Usually a dvd-r returns info that it is a dvd-r and a 360 disc returns that its an authentic 360 disc. What the hacker did was mod the dvd drive to always spoof and return info that it's an authentic disc. That is why this hack only workds for backups and will not let you run insigned code/homebrew. To be able to run homebrew and allow non official support for other drives,you need to be able to access and modify the kernel. No one has been able to access the kernel yet because 1. the kernel is somewhere inside the CPU and 2. the chip that contains the kernel code is embedded inside the metal. Unless you know the secret key that only microsoft knows, there is no way anybody is going to crack the kernel and be able to run insigned code(homebrew,mods like hdd upgrade,etc...),unless its some uber l33t eletronics hacker that has access to very expensive equipment. Even the ram and the bus are encrypted so you cant just probe them with a logic analyzer or microprobing station. Thats how the first xbox was hacked. I'm sure they also have tamper resistance measures in place too that even if you got through to the kernel chip, light censors or whatever would completely render the chip useless.
I'll tell you one thing. The 360 will not get cracked. The way the current hack works is, the console grabs info from the dvd to check if it's a real dvd. Usually a dvd-r returns info that it is a dvd-r and a 360 disc returns that its an authentic 360 disc. What the hacker did was mod the dvd drive to always spoof and return info that it's an authentic disc. That is why this hack only workds for backups and will not let you run insigned code/homebrew. To be able to run homebrew and allow non official support for other drives,you need to be able to access and modify the kernel. No one has been able to access the kernel yet because 1. the kernel is somewhere inside the CPU and 2. the chip that contains the kernel code is embedded inside the metal. Unless you know the secret key that only microsoft knows, there is no way anybody is going to crack the kernel and be able to run insigned code(homebrew,mods like hdd upgrade,etc...),unless its some uber l33t eletronics hacker that has access to very expensive equipment. Even the ram and the bus are encrypted so you cant just probe them with a logic analyzer or microprobing station. Thats how the first xbox was hacked. I'm sure they also have tamper resistance measures in place too that even if you got through to the kernel chip, light censors or whatever would completely render the chip useless.
can you try shutting the fuck up and reading better??? you did this in my other thread... like i said there too.. .go fuck a chimp in a tree, get AIDS and go to hell...
and bigmack, it looks complicated, but like you said..some hardcore hacker will find a way.... are you sayin this is the end of the bootlegging era, as far as this new generation goes?? cuz for ps3 you need a blu-ray drive on your comp, but the blu ray may work the same way as well...you cant use a blank blu ray-r.....
well the only way they can sort of crack the 360 is if they figure out a hole in a game,just like what happened with that gta game for the psp,but even that's going to be difficult because the 360 has this thing called the hypervisor which protects it against these kinds of attacks. so my point being,the console cannot be hacked the traditional way,unless one of the game developpers makes some silly mistake that makes the game vulnerable to code injection.
also if you didn't know,the 360 can already play copied games. microsoft has this thing called the XNA framework which will let you develop games for the 360.i think these games you program have to be approved by microsoft and you would have to pay $99 a year to be able to download these self programmed games from xbox live.
as for the ps3,sony is already letting you develop homebrew apps because the ps3 will come pre loaded with linux.you could create virtually any kind of homebrew app. Now as far as playing ps3 backups,im pretty sure sony has developped a really strong security system for its blue ray players. These arent like your typical dvd rom players,so spoofing information will be rather a challenge. There are already blue ray burners for the pc and blank blue ray discs on the market,so copying a game probably wouldn't be too hard.I don't know the level of security they have implemented,but once I get a ps3 in my hands I will take a look. I don't really care about playing backups,all I want is homebrew. Hackers usually hack a console to allow homebrew,so since the ps3 already lets you do homebrew, there are going to be less hackers trying to crack this thing open/
also if you didn't know,the 360 can already play copied games. microsoft has this thing called the XNA framework which will let you develop games for the 360.i think these games you program have to be approved by microsoft and you would have to pay $99 a year to be able to download these self programmed games from xbox live.
as for the ps3,sony is already letting you develop homebrew apps because the ps3 will come pre loaded with linux.you could create virtually any kind of homebrew app. Now as far as playing ps3 backups,im pretty sure sony has developped a really strong security system for its blue ray players. These arent like your typical dvd rom players,so spoofing information will be rather a challenge. There are already blue ray burners for the pc and blank blue ray discs on the market,so copying a game probably wouldn't be too hard.I don't know the level of security they have implemented,but once I get a ps3 in my hands I will take a look. I don't really care about playing backups,all I want is homebrew. Hackers usually hack a console to allow homebrew,so since the ps3 already lets you do homebrew, there are going to be less hackers trying to crack this thing open/
Ignorance is bliss. You go ahead and criticise the next person for playing off your username with a witty or funny line , hypocritical bastard:laugh: Well i can say this is neither funny nor witty. Maybe if you explained things better for people who dont know anything about modding etc , you might get the attention you crave. Instead you go off on a tangent of rage with your oh so clever lines , "go fuck yourself" , "blow me" ....and your best one to date "go fuck a chimp."
Bigmack you're such a 360 hater lol. The fact you think everything Sony does is great and everything MS does is dumb is just so funny to me.
Anyway, this is an alright move, it simply means people who want a HD DVD 360 can pay extra for the feature but not everyone is slapped by the burden as with the PS3.
Me for example, I hate using consols for DVD players. So when I buy the PS3 and when HD DVD players come out Ill cop a stand alone blue ray and stand alone HD DVD player to sit right next to my 360 and PS3.
So i dont really care. Im glad I wasnt forced to pay extra for a feature I wouldnt use on the 360.
Anyway, this is an alright move, it simply means people who want a HD DVD 360 can pay extra for the feature but not everyone is slapped by the burden as with the PS3.
Me for example, I hate using consols for DVD players. So when I buy the PS3 and when HD DVD players come out Ill cop a stand alone blue ray and stand alone HD DVD player to sit right next to my 360 and PS3.
So i dont really care. Im glad I wasnt forced to pay extra for a feature I wouldnt use on the 360.
well I do own a 360 so i had initally no bias whatsoever towards either side. why would i have gotten the 360 in the first place if i thought everything ms does is wrong, or if i was a hater of anything they do?
the laughing at the start of the page was because everyone on the internet was basically saying the hd dvd drive would only be a hundred bucks.
the laughing at the start of the page was because everyone on the internet was basically saying the hd dvd drive would only be a hundred bucks.
The CD was originally developed by Philips not Sony, who later came aboard to help with the process and it succeeded out of necessity as there was no competition while at the same time there was a huge need for it. And even then it took about 20 years to take off, something that in todays techology race would never happen.
Do you think gamers will keep their PS3 for 20 years until Blueray takes off?
In my opinion HD seems less problematic than blu-ray and will succeed for this reason and also because it will be embrassed by more companies who will have a biased against blueray because it belongs to their competitor Sony, just like in the VHS vs Sony's Betamax war.
Do you think gamers will keep their PS3 for 20 years until Blueray takes off?
In my opinion HD seems less problematic than blu-ray and will succeed for this reason and also because it will be embrassed by more companies who will have a biased against blueray because it belongs to their competitor Sony, just like in the VHS vs Sony's Betamax war.
zimbabwe, you're surrounded by them.... i wouldnt be surprised if you've indulged yourself in doing it allready...and it's not my fault you dont know what modding is.... the internet is wide open for you to explore.... googling it wouldnt have hurt you either...
anyways. how big is this HD gonna be?
anyways. how big is this HD gonna be?
No. Ps3 won't even last 5 years before a new consoles comes out. Technology is moving so fast that consoles lifespans are getting shorter. But at the same time,that also means that new technology is adopted earlier. Within a year,maybe not even that long,these next gen consoles will be obsolete. I even think these new disc formats will not last long.
Actually, Blue Ray is already backed by a lot more movie and media corporations than HD DVD is. Not only that,blue ray's capacity is much greater. Blue ray's capacity is potentially 200GB while hd dvd is stuck down at 30GB.
In my opinion, incorporating your next gen player in your console is a very clever idea. Every PS3 owner will also be a blue ray player owner. If the average ps3 owner already has a blue ray player,they arent going to go out and buy an HD DVD player. If they want to buy a movie,guess what format they will buy it in? Do you think microsoft even cares if they sell the HD DVD addon or not? It' not their format,while blueray is Sony's format. Who else do you think is pushing HD DVD? I'm not hearing any noise.
Actually, Blue Ray is already backed by a lot more movie and media corporations than HD DVD is. Not only that,blue ray's capacity is much greater. Blue ray's capacity is potentially 200GB while hd dvd is stuck down at 30GB.
In my opinion, incorporating your next gen player in your console is a very clever idea. Every PS3 owner will also be a blue ray player owner. If the average ps3 owner already has a blue ray player,they arent going to go out and buy an HD DVD player. If they want to buy a movie,guess what format they will buy it in? Do you think microsoft even cares if they sell the HD DVD addon or not? It' not their format,while blueray is Sony's format. Who else do you think is pushing HD DVD? I'm not hearing any noise.
Of course, Holograph discs are next.
Not true at all.
And 90GB HD DVDs exist, and most movies come out on 30GB discs, where as Blu-Ray has only ever released movies on 25GB discs. Please get your numbers right.
Blu-Ray is over hyped just like the PS3 and both will flop.
Read this article.
http://www.dvdtown.com/article/beyondthehypeablu-raystory/3914/
Really? You're not hearing any noise? Thats funny considering HD DVD has a 33% higher market share than Blu.
Seriously man if you're going to try to quote figures and numbers get them right.
Not true at all.
And 90GB HD DVDs exist, and most movies come out on 30GB discs, where as Blu-Ray has only ever released movies on 25GB discs. Please get your numbers right.
Blu-Ray is over hyped just like the PS3 and both will flop.
Read this article.
http://www.dvdtown.com/article/beyondthehypeablu-raystory/3914/
Really? You're not hearing any noise? Thats funny considering HD DVD has a 33% higher market share than Blu.
Seriously man if you're going to try to quote figures and numbers get them right.
And honestly, I didnt want to even go there because I dont like to speculate. But to take a Euro price and convert it and say that is what its going to cost in the US is simply retarded. Retarded.
You're forgetting that the Euros have to pay import tax and shipping costs, etc etc.
Current HD DVD players cost EU1300+ while they only cost US$999 plus in the states, which is significantly less if you do the conversion.
So stop with the bullshit and get your numbers and arguments correct for once.
You're forgetting that the Euros have to pay import tax and shipping costs, etc etc.
Current HD DVD players cost EU1300+ while they only cost US$999 plus in the states, which is significantly less if you do the conversion.
So stop with the bullshit and get your numbers and arguments correct for once.
Blue Ray supporting studios
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20th Century Fox
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Electronic Arts
MGM Studios
Paramount Pictures
Sony Pictures Entertainment
The Walt Disney Company
Vivendi Universal Games
Warner Bros.
HD DVD supporting studios
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Buena Vista Home Entertainment
New Line Cinema
Paramount Pictures
The Walt Disney Company
Universal Studios
Warner Bros.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
There are no 90GB HD DVD discs,show me somewhere where it says that. Theoretical limit for HD DVD is only 60GB,check the spec sheet.
Yes blue ray has only released 25GB movie disc so far,but the 50 are coming out within months.
The article is fair,but how does it prove blue ray is overhyped? It just says sony is being late with their technology.
Look,picture quality wise,right now HD DVD does look better. The reason for this is because HD DVD is using the VC1 codec while blue ray is only using MPEG-2. 25GB isn't enough storage for VC1. Once the 50GB discs are out,they will then use VC1 too. As far as quality goes, both formats will look exactly the same,but with 20GB more storage for blueray, movies will have more extras and special features.
That is because HD DVD had a head start. We don't know how many units that %33 extra represents. Come November 17th,the table will turn in one day. You don't judge success by launch or early in the life of a technology.
I backed up my numbers
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20th Century Fox
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Electronic Arts
MGM Studios
Paramount Pictures
Sony Pictures Entertainment
The Walt Disney Company
Vivendi Universal Games
Warner Bros.
HD DVD supporting studios
-----------------------------
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
New Line Cinema
Paramount Pictures
The Walt Disney Company
Universal Studios
Warner Bros.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
There are no 90GB HD DVD discs,show me somewhere where it says that. Theoretical limit for HD DVD is only 60GB,check the spec sheet.
Yes blue ray has only released 25GB movie disc so far,but the 50 are coming out within months.
The article is fair,but how does it prove blue ray is overhyped? It just says sony is being late with their technology.
Look,picture quality wise,right now HD DVD does look better. The reason for this is because HD DVD is using the VC1 codec while blue ray is only using MPEG-2. 25GB isn't enough storage for VC1. Once the 50GB discs are out,they will then use VC1 too. As far as quality goes, both formats will look exactly the same,but with 20GB more storage for blueray, movies will have more extras and special features.
That is because HD DVD had a head start. We don't know how many units that %33 extra represents. Come November 17th,the table will turn in one day. You don't judge success by launch or early in the life of a technology.
I backed up my numbers
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