This is just great. I wonder how long this law will last, after the stats of juveniles comitting murder skyrockets. This is like a "We appreciate the children" type of law while at the same time, gives children more reason to kill. Here's a 17 year old crackhead wanting to kill his teacher: "Hey, they can't kill me. I'll just be in jail for life." But anyways, 16 and 17 year olds shouldn't even be considered as children in the first place, I don't know why I said that. They know well enough between right and wrong and I don't think the law should be any different for a person two years older. If the 16 or 17 year old is insane, and doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, there's another law that deals with that situation.
U.S. Supreme Court abolishes the death penalty for under 18's
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I don't think they should differentiate between adults and under 18s, In my mind a murderer is a murderer and both deserve to be treated equally. Fair enough a young child may not understand, what they are doing when they are commiting a murder , but a damn lot of under 18s know perfectly well what they are doing when commiting murder , thus they should be treated as adults. Also, alot of adult murderers have the mental age of a child, why should they automatically be given the death sentence.
I think that each case should be judged seperately and that each murderer should be treated as an individual, you can't simply allow all under 18s to be given this special treatment. This is a bad decision!!!
I think that each case should be judged seperately and that each murderer should be treated as an individual, you can't simply allow all under 18s to be given this special treatment. This is a bad decision!!!
I'm rather horrified at some of the blood thirsty, naive Rambo-types in here.
Death penalty is gay as fuck.
1.) it's irreversible. You fuck up, you convict an innocent man, you just commited a murder.
2.) it's not a deterrant. life in prison should then be an equally good deterrant. if anything, when a person commits a murder and knows he/she will get capital punishment for it, he wont qualm about killing more. what's he got to lose, eh?
3.) it's hypocritical as hell. Killing is wrong! What do we do to offenders? Uhm, kill 'em!
If anyone can show me a valid and proven point why the death penalty is more effective than lifelong bids i might be to discuss it, till then you're a bunch of Texan hillbillies.
Death penalty is gay as fuck.
1.) it's irreversible. You fuck up, you convict an innocent man, you just commited a murder.
2.) it's not a deterrant. life in prison should then be an equally good deterrant. if anything, when a person commits a murder and knows he/she will get capital punishment for it, he wont qualm about killing more. what's he got to lose, eh?
3.) it's hypocritical as hell. Killing is wrong! What do we do to offenders? Uhm, kill 'em!
If anyone can show me a valid and proven point why the death penalty is more effective than lifelong bids i might be to discuss it, till then you're a bunch of Texan hillbillies.
-Prisons are over populated.
-They sit in prison for years before they are put to death.
-Killing is wrong, the criminal has killed a innocent person(s), his punishment is death, the two are not the same in my opinion. To put it in another way, killing somebody over drugs and killing somebody for self defence are two different things.
-A person like Scott Peterson (who I think is the killer) will either be put to death or he will sit in prison for the rest of his life reading books.
-They sit in prison for years before they are put to death.
-Killing is wrong, the criminal has killed a innocent person(s), his punishment is death, the two are not the same in my opinion. To put it in another way, killing somebody over drugs and killing somebody for self defence are two different things.
-A person like Scott Peterson (who I think is the killer) will either be put to death or he will sit in prison for the rest of his life reading books.
Do we have a choice?
Haha, are you seriously advocating executions because of financial reasons?
What's it gonna be? "Oh yeah, we could lock him up, y'know....but that costs too much money, we'll just kill him."
You kidding me? Of course we gotta pay for that shit. And it's not like death penalties save you that much money, if any. It's still a whole process to be arranged. Prison systems will have to exist anyhow, you can't execute people for stealing a grape, you can lock 'em up for 2 days, though. So why is it such a bother doing the same with convicted murderers?
Cos it costs too much money? Haha, please, if you were so concerned about your countries financial balance find something more notably to bitch about.
Haha, are you seriously advocating executions because of financial reasons?
What's it gonna be? "Oh yeah, we could lock him up, y'know....but that costs too much money, we'll just kill him."
You kidding me? Of course we gotta pay for that shit. And it's not like death penalties save you that much money, if any. It's still a whole process to be arranged. Prison systems will have to exist anyhow, you can't execute people for stealing a grape, you can lock 'em up for 2 days, though. So why is it such a bother doing the same with convicted murderers?
Cos it costs too much money? Haha, please, if you were so concerned about your countries financial balance find something more notably to bitch about.
See, it isn't about money....prison/capital punnishment have both proven to be inefficient mechansims for resolving crime....both are based on some superficial notion of justice, meanwhile ignoring the fact that it does not, nor will it ever eliminate or deter potential criminal acts...thus, vast expenditure is wasted on the criminal justice system, meanwhile if the money went out into society to improve the standard of life (economically and psychologically), then the sources of criminal behaviour would be lessened... therefore decreasing the crime rate.
That sounds great on paper but what about criminals who had a good standard of living? Scott Peterson anyone? Nobody suspected this 'nice guy' of being a killer.
The death penalty will not eliminate the crime but isn't that the case for everything? Is life imprisonment going to deter potential criminal acts?
Part of it for me is justice but that's just me. So I think in terms of punishment, what should the punishment be for these criminals?
Dog bites a human, the god goes down.
The death penalty will not eliminate the crime but isn't that the case for everything? Is life imprisonment going to deter potential criminal acts?
Part of it for me is justice but that's just me. So I think in terms of punishment, what should the punishment be for these criminals?
Dog bites a human, the god goes down.
Of course a life-bid won't deter most criminals. But that the death penalty would is being used as an argument by those pro-execution.
What should punishment be for, say, a murderer?
The only one we, as so-called civilised people, could dish out. Imprisonment. Not being able to participate in society to protect the others. And thereby it sucks being locked up.
However, i often believe people mistake our justice system for a retributional system. It isn't. The system was designed to protect society from criminals. Not to exact revenge on them in whatever way possible.
What should punishment be for, say, a murderer?
The only one we, as so-called civilised people, could dish out. Imprisonment. Not being able to participate in society to protect the others. And thereby it sucks being locked up.
However, i often believe people mistake our justice system for a retributional system. It isn't. The system was designed to protect society from criminals. Not to exact revenge on them in whatever way possible.
Well it will only ever stay on paper because the problems run deeper than society willing to acknowledge. Take the psychological side, for example, only by ensuring stability in a person's life can we prevent the establishment of behavioural impulses inclined to criminal acts - that's fucking hard to do ...and like you said, it is often hard to "spot" the criminal. Basically, the idea though, is that in a social environment where everyone is safe, happy and nurtured - crime won't occur.
No, that was my argument earlier - the criminal justice system has never succeeded in deterring crime, especially not by imprisonment. The reason given by social and economic criminologists is, that the problems that cause criminal behaviour are not eliminated by punnishment of the offender - they run deep in an individual's emotional make-up and social environment.
You can't really change the punnishment, because - as we have seen in this thread - people like to feel as if these criminals have been dealt with. They seek "justice" without truly understanding the term, because what most people never question is the reason crime occurs (not the motive, but the underlying reason). So until we acknowledge that the cause is inherent in the society we have created, crime will always exist and our methods of punnishment will not decrease the rate of criminal behaviour.
No, that was my argument earlier - the criminal justice system has never succeeded in deterring crime, especially not by imprisonment. The reason given by social and economic criminologists is, that the problems that cause criminal behaviour are not eliminated by punnishment of the offender - they run deep in an individual's emotional make-up and social environment.
You can't really change the punnishment, because - as we have seen in this thread - people like to feel as if these criminals have been dealt with. They seek "justice" without truly understanding the term, because what most people never question is the reason crime occurs (not the motive, but the underlying reason). So until we acknowledge that the cause is inherent in the society we have created, crime will always exist and our methods of punnishment will not decrease the rate of criminal behaviour.
Co-sign.
Do people suddenly become more mature on their 18th birthday? No. There are over-18s that have less "mental comprehension" than most, and under-18s with more "mental comprehension" than most. You can't claim that all under-18s are emotionally imbalanced, nor that all over-18s are emotionally balanced.
Do people suddenly become more mature on their 18th birthday? No. There are over-18s that have less "mental comprehension" than most, and under-18s with more "mental comprehension" than most. You can't claim that all under-18s are emotionally imbalanced, nor that all over-18s are emotionally balanced.
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