U.S. Supreme Court abolishes the death penalty for under 18's

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U.S. abolishes death penalty for under 18's

Times Online

America has abolished the death penalty for murderers under the age of 18, after the Supreme Court ruled today that the practice was unconstitutional.

The decision, by the narrowest of margins - 5 votes to 4 - provides a death row reprieve for about 70 juvenile murderers in the 19 US states which enforce the death penalty against children, and prevents them from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.

The court ruled that executing juveniles violated the constitution's Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The ruling represents a further step in narrowing the scope of the death penalty, since it was reinstated in 1976.

In 1988, the court outlawed executions for those aged 15 and younger when they committed their crimes. Three years ago, justices banned executions of the mentally retarded.

Today's ruling prevents states from making 16- and 17-year-olds eligible for execution.

"The age of 18 is the point where society draws the line for many purposes between childhood and adulthood. It is, we conclude, the age at which the line for death eligibility ought to rest," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote.

Juvenile offenders have been put to death in recent years in only a few other countries, including Iran, Pakistan, China and Saudi Arabia. Kennedy cited international opposition to the practice.

"It is proper that we acknowledge the overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty, resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime," he wrote.

Justice Kennedy noted that most states did not allow the execution of juvenile killers and those that do use the penalty infrequently. The trend, he said, is to abolish the practice because "our society views juveniles ... as categorically less culpable than the average criminal."

Dissenting, Justice Antonin Scalia disputed that the number of juvenile executions was steadily falling, showing a growing consensus against the practice.

He said that today's ruling was a denial of the will of the people. "The court says in so many words that what our people's laws say about the issue does not, in the last analysis, matter: 'In the end our own judgment will be brought to bear on the question of the acceptability of the death penalty'.

"The court thus proclaims itself sole arbiter of our nation's moral standards.," Justice Scalia wrote.

Death penalty opponents praised the ruling as a victory for human rights.

"Today, the court repudiated the misguided idea that the United States can pledge to leave no child behind while simultaneously exiling children to the death chamber," said William F Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA.

"Now the US can proudly remove its name from the embarrassing list of human rights violators that includes China, Iran, and Pakistan that still execute juvenile offenders," he said.

More than 3,400 inmates await execution in the 38 states that allow death sentences.

Justices were asked to rule on age in murder cases after Missouri's highest court overturned the death sentence given to Christopher Simmons, who was 17 when he kidnapped a neighbor, tied her up and threw her off a bridge in 1993. Prosecutors say he planned the burglary and killing of Shirley Crook and bragged that he could get away with it because of his age.

The four most liberal justices had already gone on record in 2002, calling it "shameful" to execute juvenile killers. Those four, joined by Justice Kennedy, formed today's decision: Justices John Paul Stevens, David H Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.

Chief Justice William H Rehnquist and Justice Clarence Thomas joined Justice Scalia to uphold the executions. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor filed a separate dissent, arguing that a blanket rule against executing juveniles was misguided, and that it was better to approach the issue on a case-by-case basis.

"The court's analysis is premised on differences in the aggregate between juveniles and adults, which frequently do not hold true when comparing individuals," she wrote.

"Chronological age is not an unfailing measure of psychological development, and common experience suggests that many 17-year-olds are more mature than the average young 'adult'."

The federal government already bars the execution of juveniles for federal capital crimes.
 

Jurhum

Well-Known Member
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THA WILD said:
Can you explain further, or can America do no right?
What more explaination do I need? How can they do such thing? They should extend it to everyone. Anyone who is convicted of capital crime, murder, should be put to death regardless of age. It's the only deterrent for future murder prospects.
 

Jurhum

Well-Known Member
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Zero Cool said:
Why so? Unless you're a maniac this desicion is clearly the correct one.
Are you kidding me? The correct one. So, if a murderer is convicted and happened to be under 18, he or she shouldn't face the death penalty? When was the death penality cruel and unusual?
 
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Jurhum said:
Are you kidding me? The correct one. So, if a murderer is convicted and happened to be under 18, he or she shouldn't face the death penalty? When was the death penality cruel and unusual?
".....resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime" If you truly believe that a child has the same mental comprehension of the crime they have committed as oppossed to an adult you are quite naiive to say the least.
 

Jurhum

Well-Known Member
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Zero Cool said:
".....resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime" If you truly believe that a child has the same mental comprehension of the crime they have committed as oppossed to an adult you are quite naiive to say the least.
That's why I've chose the term convicted. I think it's up to the jury to decide not the Supreme Court.

Anyone who committes such a crime deserves such a punishment.
 
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Jurhum said:
Anyone who is convicted of capital crime, murder, should be put to death regardless of age. It's the only deterrent for future murder prospects.
Well, no it's not actually. Because if you think about it, rarely do criminals actually consider the consequences of their actions, more likely than not, murders are committed "in the heat of the moment," so there is little time to consider the outcome. As for pre-meditated crimes, what crosses the mind of the criminal is that the result outweighs the risks - that is the essence of criminal behaviour. Besides, most will attempt to cover up their actions - "get away with it." Increasing the punnishment for the purposes of deterrence has rarely worked in the criminal justice system.



I understand the justification given in the article for disallowing the death penalty because juveniles are less criminally culpable, but I think it extends further. I mean, the article referred to the need to adhere to human rights standards. Yet one of the most basic of human rights, surely must be the "right to life." So really, it is arguable that it is a breach of the most fundamental of human rights to allow the death penalty to be imposed upon anyone - regardless of age.
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
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cold blooded murderers should be executed with a rifle in the back. In China they execute them by shooting in the back of the head and they make the family pay for the bullets.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
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Glockmatic said:
cold blooded murderers should be executed with a rifle in the back. In China they execute them by shooting in the back of the head and they make the family pay for the bullets.
I still say they should suffer instead of dying instantly

gas chambers and electric chairs get the job done
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
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or the good old hanging, quick death if done properly, slow and painful if not. Cheap as well, just need new rope each time or use the same rope
 
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Glockmatic said:
cold blooded murderers should be executed with a rifle in the back. In China they execute them by shooting in the back of the head and they make the family pay for the bullets.

Yea. Thats why China is a democracy, oh wait...

What kinda fucked up shit is that? Make the family pay for bullets? .. What the fuck? .. You dont see anything wrong with that?

For premetidated crimes there should be the death penatly. For crimes of passion, or crimes that happen "in the heat of the moment" as Amara said should not have the death penatly.
 

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