U.S. government planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media
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You said - "As I've said degradation of human rights is degradation of human rights no matter how you try and spin it"
I agree with that statement, It is a moral position that cannot be denied. But when you make such statements and use it as a defence of your country against her enemy - don’t start saying things like "there is a difference" to justify your position when making such a moral statement, your position is contradictory since both sides commit the same crimes, it makes no sense...there are different reasons they commit these crimes, but no moral difference.
You may not agree with what Castro is doing to his people, but he uses basically the same argument but in a different context as your country. It's about perception, not moral positions.
peace
MX!
I agree with that statement, It is a moral position that cannot be denied. But when you make such statements and use it as a defence of your country against her enemy - don’t start saying things like "there is a difference" to justify your position when making such a moral statement, your position is contradictory since both sides commit the same crimes, it makes no sense...there are different reasons they commit these crimes, but no moral difference.
You may not agree with what Castro is doing to his people, but he uses basically the same argument but in a different context as your country. It's about perception, not moral positions.
peace
MX!
Firstly, I not American.
Secondly, as I've stated Guantanamo Bay is wrong but we're not talking about Guantanamo Bay we're talking about Castro. Castro is a dictator who brutalizes his own people. The U.S. base at Guantanamo is a degredation of human rights but to try and somehow equate the two and say they are the same is simply nonsensical.
Secondly, as I've stated Guantanamo Bay is wrong but we're not talking about Guantanamo Bay we're talking about Castro. Castro is a dictator who brutalizes his own people. The U.S. base at Guantanamo is a degredation of human rights but to try and somehow equate the two and say they are the same is simply nonsensical.
Sorry, shouldnt have assumed you were American.
Yeah but this is what I'm saying, that is your opinion, the abuse of human rights were talking about aren’t morally wrong because they are against the law, the things were talking about have an intrinsic worth, it’s like murder or rape, it feels wrong. So don't make moral comparisons between them to demonise Castro, America is doing the same thing. I don't think its non-sensical to equate the two on this issue from a political perspective, since that is the only perspective we can use - They are pretty much using the same tactics, you make think one is a hell of a lot more justafiable than the other, that is your opinion. But, it is not nonsensencial "to try and somehow equate the two", there is a logic to it like it or not.
peace
MX!
Yeah but this is what I'm saying, that is your opinion, the abuse of human rights were talking about aren’t morally wrong because they are against the law, the things were talking about have an intrinsic worth, it’s like murder or rape, it feels wrong. So don't make moral comparisons between them to demonise Castro, America is doing the same thing. I don't think its non-sensical to equate the two on this issue from a political perspective, since that is the only perspective we can use - They are pretty much using the same tactics, you make think one is a hell of a lot more justafiable than the other, that is your opinion. But, it is not nonsensencial "to try and somehow equate the two", there is a logic to it like it or not.
peace
MX!
So taking your standpoint, if it is a "Mortal Threat" to your nation, it is ok to setup a camp and take whatever action is necessary? I see you side with the 'terrorist' mindset then? I know Osama Bin Laden has said similar things in the not so distant past.
Do see the US government as abusing their people for their own gains? The Patriot act? The war in Iraq (putting soldiers at risk to further your parties financial gains)? You are lost my friend.
Capitalism is definitely a threat to communism. For communism to work effectively, the people must believe in true equality. Once you start flaunting to people the'riches' and the belief that things can be better, you then move from believing in 'equality' to profit over people. Likewise communism is a threat to capitalism in that those that are in power (the rich upper class), do not want to lose what they have in belongings, therefore they will do the best they can to keep the idea of a true 'government of the people' out of people's minds.
Have you ever taken a step back and realized the type of people that are making the laws that you and I have to abide by? Have you ever stopped and thought about the war in Iraq and who's benefitting most out of it (aside from the Iraqis...haliburton perhaps?)?
I do believe Castro put the interests of Cuba before himself, what other president (or dictator) have you seen fight in a revolution or war himself and risk his own life for the people? Certainly not the mighty president of the United States.
Che Guevara was the true definition of a Communist to me. I do not think Castro had nor has the same intentions that Che Guevara had.
I know you say communism is dead, is it really? As the gap of upper and lower class widens, you bet we will be closer to a revolution than before. Read about Hugo Chavez if you believe communism to be dead..it seems to be starting in Venezuela as we speak, and unless the US government tries to oppress the people of venezuela more by possibly stopping this belief of equality, venezuela will become the next socialist/communist country.
Do see the US government as abusing their people for their own gains? The Patriot act? The war in Iraq (putting soldiers at risk to further your parties financial gains)? You are lost my friend.
Capitalism is definitely a threat to communism. For communism to work effectively, the people must believe in true equality. Once you start flaunting to people the'riches' and the belief that things can be better, you then move from believing in 'equality' to profit over people. Likewise communism is a threat to capitalism in that those that are in power (the rich upper class), do not want to lose what they have in belongings, therefore they will do the best they can to keep the idea of a true 'government of the people' out of people's minds.
Have you ever taken a step back and realized the type of people that are making the laws that you and I have to abide by? Have you ever stopped and thought about the war in Iraq and who's benefitting most out of it (aside from the Iraqis...haliburton perhaps?)?
I do believe Castro put the interests of Cuba before himself, what other president (or dictator) have you seen fight in a revolution or war himself and risk his own life for the people? Certainly not the mighty president of the United States.
Che Guevara was the true definition of a Communist to me. I do not think Castro had nor has the same intentions that Che Guevara had.
I know you say communism is dead, is it really? As the gap of upper and lower class widens, you bet we will be closer to a revolution than before. Read about Hugo Chavez if you believe communism to be dead..it seems to be starting in Venezuela as we speak, and unless the US government tries to oppress the people of venezuela more by possibly stopping this belief of equality, venezuela will become the next socialist/communist country.
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