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[Hituup]

who did smackdown draft?

WWE already has a development territory. Most people won't tune in to Smackdown just to see jobbers.


Well if the rosters were more balanced it wouldn't be a problem. As it stands, as soon as someone gets over enough, they get drafted to feud with HHH, the "real" World Champion.


You always need to create new stars. You need to keep it fresh at the top of the card, so you don't get repetitive. Plus, I can't see HBK, Flair, 'Taker, Big Show or Kane getting a title run any time soon, unless it's a "one last run" kinda thing.


It might be smart in the short term, but once Smackdown gets a new timeslot on a new station, you can't have a bunch of second-rate performers fighting over the third most prestigious belt in the company.


Having two major titles on one show isn't an option. HHH's belt is obviously the more important of the two, since he's main eventing Vengeance in a HIAC, while Cena is wrestling on the undercard. You can't have two World Champions on one show, it doesn't work in the long run. It totally negates the whole idea of the champion being the best in the brand/company/world. Cena will suffer because his belt is not the best belt on the show anymore. If both belts stay on RAW, they'll get merged. Otherwise, one of the champions (likely Batista, Y2J or Christian) will jump to Smackdown and they'll either not bother with a new belt or they'll merge those two belts.

First of all it makes sense for the show Raw to have two champs because smackdown seems less important and no one is really tuning in to see the world title picture over there. Second of all, John Cena can't be seen as important because he's not as over and shouldn't be. IMO, he's not main event material and the main title on the show should be the wwe title. The WWE title could be for former guys that were once champs that are on RAW such as Kane, HBK, Jericho, Angle and maybe even Flair. And if so if the WWE title is taken as 2nd class, then JBL and Guerrero wont be seen as TRUE champion material because most of the guys that held the title on smackdown besides Lesnar and maybe Angle can't really draw any money or sell out arenas. IMO THATS GOOD!! And its obvious that THE WORLD TITLE has always been more important out of the two. So now that the WWE title is on the show it shouldn't matter about which title is more important.

WORLD TITLE HAS MORE HISTORY ANYWAY THAN THE WWE TITLE!!


Yeah and why cant you have 3rd rate performers fighting for the third best belt. Who made that rule? There'll always be a couple or few top performers/former main eventers on SD, so they'll add importance to the title belt scene over there. If anything, I see that as good because guys who come from nowhere and win belts like Cena won't be taken as a main eventer too soon and the WWE has too many former main eventers. Once you get the smackdown title, they'll move over to Raw, fight for the WWE title, and then fight for the biggest prize title, which is the WORLD'S TITLE.!!

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

one of the belts on raw will eventually disappear

edit: wait a minute. what if theres a plan for a 3rd brand other than raw and smackdown??? and the belt will go there. maybe its ecw???

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

First of all it makes sense for the show Raw to have two champs because smackdown seems less important and no one is really tuning in to see the world title picture over there.

WWE should MAKE people tune in to see the World Title picture over there by putting more star power on the brand and making it more interesting. Smackdown wasn't always the weaker show. Back when they had Angle, Lesnar, Guerrero, Benoit, Edge and Mysterio it was the better brand. They ruined it by moving everyone to RAW so they could feud with HHH.

Second of all, John Cena can't be seen as important because he's not as over and shouldn't be.

He's not over? The reception he got when he debuted on RAW was immense. Once Batista ends his feud with HHH, his popularity will wane and Cena will be the biggest face in the company, if he isn't already.

IMO, he's not main event material and the main title on the show should be the wwe title. The WWE title could be for former guys that were once champs that are on RAW such as Kane, HBK, Jericho, Angle and maybe even Flair.

What's the point of that? You don't need two belts on the same show for main event workers.

And if so if the WWE title is taken as 2nd class, then JBL and Guerrero wont be seen as TRUE champion material because most of the guys that held the title on smackdown besides Lesnar and maybe Angle can't really draw any money or sell out arenas. IMO THATS GOOD!!

...what?

And its obvious that THE WORLD TITLE has always been more important out of the two. So now that the WWE title is on the show it shouldn't matter about which title is more important.

WORLD TITLE HAS MORE HISTORY ANYWAY THAN THE WWE TITLE!!

No it doesn't. The World Title, the belt Batista has, is the same belt that used to be the WCW World Title. It was unified with the WWE Title by Jericho, then in 2002 Lesnar signed exclusively to Smackdown leaving RAW with no belt. Bischoff brought it back and awarded it to HHH. Then, in 2003, HHH merged it with the Intercontinental Title (which was later brought back) to form the belt it is today.

By those standards, Cena's belt is the more prestigious. Cena's belt has been around longer, it was the Undisputed World title. Batista's belt was brought back and awarded to HHH, and then merged with the Intercontinental title.

But that's irrelevant. Each brand is supposed to have it's own Champion and the two belts should be seen as equal.

Yeah and why cant you have 3rd rate performers fighting for the third best belt. Who made that rule? There'll always be a couple or few top performers/former main eventers on SD, so they'll add importance to the title belt scene over there.

Someone holding the third best title in the company has very little prestige. It weakens the guy with the belt and it weakens the brand. Why would Benoit be proud of winning the belt when he knows there are two guys on the other show with better belts than his? It just makes Smackdown, and its wrestlers, look much weaker.

If anything, I see that as good because guys who come from nowhere and win belts like Cena won't be taken as a main eventer too soon and the WWE has too many former main eventers. Once you get the smackdown title, they'll move over to Raw, fight for the WWE title, and then fight for the biggest prize title, which is the WORLD'S TITLE.!!

That's not how it's supposed to work. The two brands are supposed to be equal. The Intercontinental and United States titles are the belts upper midcarders win before they get the push up to the main event scene. Having an entire brand fighting over a chance to go to the other brand, where the "big boys" play is ridiculous. How are fans supposed to take Smackdown seriously if the crowning achievement of a Smackdown wrestler is to move to RAW? If I was Chris Benoit I would be PISSED at being stuck on the B-Show fighting over the C-Title, especially since I only ended up on the B-Show by getting randomly drafted there.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

who did smackdown draft?

Hey Iluminattle , i agree with you that Smackdown was at one point the better show especialy when Lesner was around , the guy was imense !! The rot started imo when Lesner and Goldberg left , two huge leading names leaving at the same time as well as Stone Cold in his co-manager roll , and its been sliding up and down ever since . One week there is a good storyline a couple later there is nothing , one week your watching Raw the next Smackdown . A good way to look at the lack of leading talent is to look at the ps2 games , the Smackdown just bring it game had a lot of great talent but the Smackdown Vs Raw was weak , if you have played these games you may see what im on about . Who thinks Jbl is a show leading guy ?? The guy can work and is a good heel but Star potential ?? Golberg couldnt wrestle for shit and was not a good worker but he had the Star quality along with Lesner who was hard as nails . Look at the high flyers now Benoit , Michaels , Eddie , Hunter Hearst Helmsley , Edge , Jericho these guys were all middle carders for years and great wrestlers but with the lack of star talent have been given the push . Who would of thought fat Bradshaw would be a leading heel , dont give me this Cena bullshit , he was a middle card heel till he was too given the push and " Dave " although an excellent find i cant help but remember him as being the sacrificial lamb of Evolution who lost to a every challenger the week before they met Hunter . Dont get me wrong all wrestlers need to learn there trade but i feel the WWE often handles there stars badly . Where now is the star quality ?? I know times change but ten - fifthteen years ago there is no way Benoit would of been champion or would Jerricho there is no way a 250 pound guy would hit the main event at Wrestlemania - Hogan vs Warrior both shit wrestlers but both had that star quality to pull it off , Lesner vs Goldberg not the top of the bill bout , shit match but i know that was the match everyone wanted to see , plus have you been looking forward to a match as much as that since ?? The WWE's problem is lack of " big " stars , so much now of there program is entertainment and sadly imo not wrestling talent , so they need good actors and Big charismatic men and apart from the past it 'taker and dave , who now do they have as there " big star "show leading talent ??

 

[Snowman]

who did smackdown draft?

What Will Happen Now Is Batista Keeping The Belt Sunday. Batista Going To Smackdown as Champion.

Storyline They will Change The 6 man Elimination Match. To A #1 Contender's Match an The Winner Will Face Batista At The Great American Bash.


Now Things Will Be sad For John Cena, he Keeps The WWE Title. Then Start His Feud With Triple HHH. Then later on in The Year he Loses To HHH at A PPV.

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

Look at the high flyers now Benoit , Michaels , Eddie , Hunter Hearst Helmsley , Edge , Jericho these guys were all middle carders for years and great wrestlers but with the lack of star talent have been given the push . Who would of thought fat Bradshaw would be a leading heel , dont give me this Cena bullshit , he was a middle card heel till he was too given the push and " Dave " although an excellent find i cant help but remember him as being the sacrificial lamb of Evolution who lost to a every challenger the week before they met Hunter . Dont get me wrong all wrestlers need to learn there trade but i feel the WWE often handles there stars badly . Where now is the star quality ??

Everyone has to start somewhere. Hulk Hogan wasn't a Main Event fan favourite as soon as he entered the WWF. The Rock languished in the midcard, HATED by fans even as a face, for years before making it big. To say that HHH, Jericho, Michaels, Eddie and Cena don't have the "star quality" is insane. They're incredibly over with the fans, can deliver on the big stage and can really draw fans in to a storyline. Benoit might not be the best on the mic, but he has charisma in the ring, is arguably the best wrestler in the world and has the dogged tenacity that makes it believable when he beats a guy twice his size.

I know times change but ten - fifthteen years ago there is no way Benoit would of been champion or would Jerricho there is no way a 250 pound guy would hit the main event at Wrestlemania

Shawn Michaels. Under 250lbs and the biggest Sports Entertainer since Hogan. Bret Hart. Under 250lbs and one of the all-time greats. Sting. 250lbs and one of the biggest wrestlers of his time. Steve Austin. 250lbs and the man who took WWF into its glory years.

You don't need to be 6'6" and 300lbs to main event. That's the kind of attitude that put the belt on no-talent people like JBL in the first place.

If it wasn't for Triple H, Jericho would be HUGE. He has star quality in abundance. He can talk, he can wrestle and he's over.

Hogan vs Warrior both shit wrestlers but both had that star quality to pull it off , Lesner vs Goldberg not the top of the bill bout , shit match but i know that was the match everyone wanted to see , plus have you been looking forward to a match as much as that since ??

Angle vs. Michaels I and II, both because they're big name stars AND because they can wrestle.

The WWE's problem is lack of " big " stars , so much now of there program is entertainment and sadly imo not wrestling talent , so they need good actors and Big charismatic men and apart from the past it 'taker and dave , who now do they have as there " big star "show leading talent ??

Hold on, you're saying that guys like Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior had star power and you complained about guys like Benoit, Eddie and Jericho not having star power - but now you're saying the focus is too much on entertainment?

Guerrero, Jericho and Angle are incredibly charismatic AND immensely talented in the ring. I'd much rather watch them main event Wrestlemania than Hogan and Warrior.

What Will Happen Now Is Batista Keeping The Belt Sunday. Batista Going To Smackdown as Champion.

Storyline They will Change The 6 man Elimination Match. To A #1 Contender's Match an The Winner Will Face Batista At The Great American Bash.

Now Things Will Be sad For John Cena, he Keeps The WWE Title. Then Start His Feud With Triple HHH. Then later on in The Year he Loses To HHH at A PPV.

That's a nice theory, but I can't see Batista beating Triple H AGAIN, and in HHH's "speciality match".

Also, Teddy Long had the new Smackdown belt with him when he made the announcement, so scrapping the belt doesn't make much sense either. Why announce a new title, have it in a bag with you, and then say "On second thoughts, now we've got Batista, I'll just throw this in the trash".

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

who did smackdown draft?

Everyone has to start somewhere. Hulk Hogan wasn't a Main Event fan favourite as soon as he entered the WWF.

Wrong - Hogan made his WWF debut on 23rd Jan 1984 versus khosrow Vasiri - The Iron Shiek at Madison Square gardens going on to win the WWF title in front of a sell out crowd .
Source - sex lies and headlocks - good book btw.

{QUOTE -To say that HHH, Jericho, Michaels, Eddie and Cena don't have the "star quality" is insane.

I dont think you have read my post properly or maybe i havent put it across well . All above are excellent wrestlers and stars in there own right but apart from hunter none are leading " show " stars . They are all mid carders thrown forward to the big stage because of this shortage , this was the point of my post .

Jericho - Intercontinental champ at best imo - first holder of both belts ?? Ultimate Warrior springs to mind .

Michaels - awsome talent , had his time , and when he was on top was leading a poor product .

Benoit and Eddie - again excellent wrestlers but mid carders for years - why do you think it took so long for them both to win the big one ?? Because of the lack of show leading talent pushed them to the front .

Hunter - Excellent but who does he face now ?? Cena ?? Vince has seen this why do you think the draw is on ?

Cena - great gimmick , good wrestler, show leader ?? i dont think so Hogan he aint .

Lesner and Golgberg were huge stars which led each show , my point again is who is taking over from them , were is the big talent ??

{QUOTE -Shawn Michaels. Under 250lbs and the biggest Sports Entertainer since Hogan. Bret Hart. Under 250lbs and one of the all-time greats. Sting. 250lbs and one of the biggest wrestlers of his time. Steve Austin. 250lbs and the man who took WWF into its glory years.

My point was the WWEs policy was for years that the big show leaders were in the main event at Wrestlemania not the middle carders , Steamboat better imo than all the above never hit the big event but does that make him a bad wrestler ?? no . Those guys above would of been or were mid carders when that policy was in place . Also the late eighties were the glory years without a doubt .

{QUOTE- You don't need to be 6'6" and 300lbs to main event. That's the kind of attitude that put the belt on no-talent people like JBL in the first place.

Nowadays no . If you read my post i said it was bad that Jbl is leading Smackdown .

{QUOTE If it wasn't for Triple H, Jericho would be HUGE. He has star quality in abundance. He can talk, he can wrestle and he's over.

If it wasnt for Vince HHH would be Hunter Hearst Helmsley a noble Englishman .


{QUOTE- Angle vs. Michaels I and II, both because they're big name stars AND because they can wrestle.

Your right :thumb: The first match was a classic and i am looking forward to number 2 but i wasnt that bothered bout 1 till i saw it !!


{QUOTE-Hold on, you're saying that guys like Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior had star power and you complained about guys like Benoit, Eddie and Jericho not having star power - but now you're saying the focus is too much on entertainment?

MY point was hogan and the warrior were shit wrestlers but had the star quality to pull it off - Guerrero , jerricho and Angle are great wrestlers but imo do not have the star quality to pull of the entertainment which now the focus of the WWE is all about . None can lead the shows

QUOTE- Guerrero, Jericho and Angle are incredibly charismatic AND immensely talented in the ring. I'd much rather watch them main event Wrestlemania than Hogan and Warrior.

Yeah and you will also see them fighting each other every week as well as wrestlemania unless the draw keeps them apart or more new talent comes in .

 

[Get In The Van I Have Candy]

who did smackdown draft?

^Jesus Christ guys, its only wrestling. Stop the freaking essays and just enjoy. Vengeance will be on in a couple of hours... Can't wait for the Angle vs Michaels match. Actually thats the only match that I am interested in.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

who did smackdown draft?

^Jesus Christ guys, its only wrestling. Stop the freaking essays and just enjoy. Vengeance will be on in a couple of hours... Can't wait for the Angle vs Michaels match. Actually thats the only match that I am interested in.

LOL your right im shit at typing and it took ages

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

Wrong - Hogan made his WWF debut on 23rd Jan 1984 versus khosrow Vasiri - The Iron Shiek at Madison Square gardens going on to win the WWF title in front of a sell out crowd .
Source - sex lies and headlocks - good book btw.

He debuted in the WWWF in 1980 as a heel, with Freddie Blassie as his manager. Vince Sr. brought him in. It was only after he became a big name in Japan that Vince Jr. brought him back and pushed him to the moon.

Watching Angle/Michael II right now.

We're an hour in. The PPV ends at 4. We have the Hell in a Cell and the three-way left.

Hopefully this means they're giving Angle and Michaels enough time to work a real classic. Unless there's some big event or impromptu match, this could go an hour.

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

^Jesus Christ guys, its only wrestling. Stop the freaking essays and just enjoy. Vengeance will be on in a couple of hours... Can't wait for the Angle vs Michaels match. Actually thats the only match that I am interested in.

im rooting for angle. who do u guys want to win?

 

[Get In The Van I Have Candy]

who did smackdown draft?

im rooting for angle. who do u guys want to win?

Im rooting for Angle as well, but he lost to Michaels.


Winners that I remember include: Kane, Batista, Cena, Victoria oh and The Godfather showed up to interup Visira. Sub-par PPV.

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

Wasn't a great PPV, but Carlito/Benjamin was good, Angle/Michaels was very good, but not as good as Mania, the Triple Threat was good bar the finish and the Cell match was a nice bloody brawl AND Batista won, which was surprising.

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

Wasn't a great PPV, but Carlito/Benjamin was good, Angle/Michaels was very good, but not as good as Mania, the Triple Threat was good bar the finish and the Cell match was a nice bloody brawl AND Batista won, which was surprising.

Yea it was an ok PPV.Matches were good. I actually enjoyed this one more than the recent previous ones.

and did you see the hooooooooooooooo train? lmao. wasnt that a different guy playing the godfather. cuz that aint the same dude

Triple threat was good same with the HIAC match.

I thought trips would win the title back for sure.

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

and did you see the hooooooooooooooo train? lmao. wasnt that a different guy playing the godfather. cuz that aint the same dude

Same guy, unfortunately.

I really don't understand the motivation behind the Lillian/Viscera/Godfather thing. If Vis had stuck with Lillian and Godfather had attacked him, then it would obviously lead to a (fucking awful) match/feud. But he didn't, so what the hell are they doing it for? Why have a storyline that has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling? Why have a storyline with talentless workers like Vis and the Goffather in the first place?

Be interesting to see what they do with HHH, now that he's lost to Batista three times.

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

Same guy, unfortunately.

I really don't understand the motivation behind the Lillian/Viscera/Godfather thing. If Vis had stuck with Lillian and Godfather had attacked him, then it would obviously lead to a (fucking awful) match/feud. But he didn't, so what the hell are they doing it for? Why have a storyline that has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling? Why have a storyline with talentless workers like Vis and the Goffather in the first place?

Be interesting to see what they do with HHH, now that he's lost to Batista three times.

maybe lillian will start attacking vis in matches,which will lead to a feud,then she will become a "wrestler" then move on to wrestle other women. who knows.so far its looking stupid like you pointed out.

well, triple will eventually win the title back,so we will keep feuding with batista,or whoever else who wins the belt. we all know HHH has alot of power within the company and he is stubborn as hell.

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

Same guy, unfortunately.

I really don't understand the motivation behind the Lillian/Viscera/Godfather thing. If Vis had stuck with Lillian and Godfather had attacked him, then it would obviously lead to a (fucking awful) match/feud. But he didn't, so what the hell are they doing it for? Why have a storyline that has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling? Why have a storyline with talentless workers like Vis and the Goffather in the first place?

Be interesting to see what they do with HHH, now that he's lost to Batista three times.

maybe lillian will start attacking vis in matches,which will lead to a feud,then she will become a "wrestler" then move on to wrestle other women. who knows.so far its looking stupid like you pointed out.

well, triple will eventually win the title back,so we will keep feuding with batista,or whoever else who wins the belt. we all know HHH has alot of power within the company and he is stubborn as hell.

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

Well HHH said "After this, it's all over" so I'm assuming (and hoping) the feud is over. It would seem strange for them to say and emphasise that, then continue the feud after this. The HIAC was the perfect blow off to the feud. They can't have a bigger profile match than a HIAC, really.

No idea who they'll feud with, could depend on who gets drafted in and out.

 

[Illuminattile]

who did smackdown draft?

Well HHH said "After this, it's all over" so I'm assuming (and hoping) the feud is over. It would seem strange for them to say and emphasise that, then continue the feud after this. The HIAC was the perfect blow off to the feud. They can't have a bigger profile match than a HIAC, really.

No idea who they'll feud with, could depend on who gets drafted in and out.

 

[bigmack]

who did smackdown draft?

man raw has been on a role lately. damn,the past few raws have been really good.fuck, smackdown has nobody now. raw got bigshow and RVD,what the hell is gonna happen to smackdown. who do they got? JBL, undertaker,booker T,mohammed hassan,those are basically their tops guys...thats nothing compared to what raw got.there has to be a twist somewhere because its not making sense.

even though flair is old and laggish, that match was pretty good. any kurt angle match is exciting to watch. angle is the best.

last match was ok but i didnt really enjoy hogan. i think he ruined what could have been a really amazing match. he's so out of shape. he recently got a hip replacement and i dont think he even recovered fully yet.i woulda loved to see bigshow instead of hogan.