Spain Legalises Gay Marriage

#41
Crunkadelic said:
Yes. And since I feel that parents of the same sex raising a child is disgusting, most definately.

My point (and opinion) was that its disgusting. And I never said that one's sexual preference was related to being a good parent - it was you brought up the 'str8 couples neglecting their child' thing...as if that couldnt happen with a gay couple as well. ;)
I don't think raising a child is about the sexes of these parents. So you're saying: a child that was raised by a straight couple, but was totally neglected is better than a child that was raised by parents of both sexes with love & care.
 
#42
LyricalDisguise said:
I don't think raising a child is about the sexes of these parents. So you're saying: a child that was raised by a straight couple, but was totally neglected is better than a child that was raised by parents of both sexes with love & care.
No. How did the hell did you figure I was saying that? LOL!

I NEVER said or implied who I thought were better parents or better children between a str8 and a gay. But saltynuts did seemed to imply that a gay couple were better parents than a str8 couple when he said something about a gay couple lovingly raising a child and str8 parents neglecting a child.


What if the gay couples raises a child in a loving way? Is there anything wrong with that?

Just imagine a straight couple neglecting their child. It happens everyday and it's disgusting
I didnt say anything then, but I found his remark very biased and unfair - he brung a positive picture for a gay parents and a negative for str8 parents to try and get his point across.

ALL gay parents are of the same sex (which I think is disgusting); and yes, str8 parents neglecting their child is disgusting too, but NOT ALL str8 parents neglect their child. But why act like gay parents wouldnt neglect their child? Why act like gay parents wont do what str8 parents do is what I was asking - regardless of their sexual perference, people are still gonna be people. Just cause you never hear about it, dont mean it doesnt or wont happen somewhere in this world.

Bottom line, Im dont care if a gay couple are great parents - if their raising a child, I thinks its sick and disgusting.
 

S. Fourteen

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#43
But why act like gay parents wouldnt neglect their child?
I'm not. Just getting a point across.

We're equal, both gay people and straight people has the ability to be a good parent or a bad parent. We're all human beings and we all should have equal rights.

regardless of their sexual perference, people are still gonna be people.
Right. There is nothing wrong with people having kids. :cool:
 
#44
saltynuts said:
I'm not. Just getting a point across.

We're equal, both gay people and straight people has the ability to be a good parent or a bad parent. We're all human beings and we all should have equal rights.



Right. There is nothing wrong with people having kids. :cool:
Absolutely nothing wrong with having kids...there's just something wrong with certain people raising them. :thumb:
 
#46
Crunkadelic said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with having kids...there's just something wrong with certain people raising them. :thumb:
Why do you think that? You think homosexual parents will raise a child to be homosexual? Gay parents can raise straight kids just as straight parents can raise gay kids. There's no evidence that kids raised by same-sex couples are any different than kids raised by mixed-sex couples.
 

Pittsey

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#47
Illuminattile said:
Why do you think that? You think homosexual parents will raise a child to be homosexual? Gay parents can raise straight kids just as straight parents can raise gay kids. There's no evidence that kids raised by same-sex couples are any different than kids raised by mixed-sex couples.
I have nothing against gay people. Infact a girl I know her father is gay and she has turned out cool. A little strange, but can't blame that all on her dad, but cool.

However her brother has struggled and has severe problems all steming from his father coming out of the closet, so to speak. He has had counselling and has numerous other problems.

That is my only reservation. That kids suffer abuse and bullying from other kids for being different. Be it fat, tall, short, skinny or poor. But having 2 dads is going to make them stick out like a sore thumb.

I know I'd much prefer having a mum and a Dad, rather than 2 mums or 2 dads. I'd even prefer having a lone parent than 2 same sex parents. That's just my opinion on parenting. It doesn't affect my views on homosexuality, which I think is fine. Each to his own. And I know several gay people whom I get on with fine. Although I know no lesbians.
 
#48
Pittsey said:
I have nothing against gay people. Infact a girl I know her father is gay and she has turned out cool. A little strange, but can't blame that all on her dad, but cool.

However her brother has struggled and has severe problems all steming from his father coming out of the closet, so to speak. He has had counselling and has numerous other problems.

That is my only reservation. That kids suffer abuse and bullying from other kids for being different. Be it fat, tall, short, skinny or poor. But having 2 dads is going to make them stick out like a sore thumb.

I know I'd much prefer having a mum and a Dad, rather than 2 mums or 2 dads. I'd even prefer having a lone parent than 2 same sex parents. That's just my opinion on parenting. It doesn't affect my views on homosexuality, which I think is fine. Each to his own. And I know several gay people whom I get on with fine. Although I know no lesbians.
I've said it before, you can't say "Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Jones, but if you adopted a kid he'd get bullied because you're a poor/fat/ugly/mixed race couple" just as you can't say "Sorry Mr. and Mr. Jones, but if you adopted a kid he'd get bullied because you're a same sex couple".

Not only that, but studies have shown that there is no different in interpeer relationships between kids with heterosexual parents and kids with homosexual parents.
 

TecK NeeX

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#49
This disrupts Natural life pattern in everyway. It is an indisputable fact that the human baby is completely dependent on its mother for the first several years of its development, and so it is absolutely necessary for the mother to take special care of her baby. It is clear that the proper nurture and training of children must necessarily start at home at the hands of the mother and with the full cooperation and support of the father. This has been so during all the past centuries and there is no sensible reason to change it now. Can't believe the irony in same sex couples wanting to raise children
 
#50
TecK NeeX said:
This disrupts Natural life pattern in everyway. It is an indisputable fact that the human baby is completely dependent on its mother for the first several years of its development, and so it is absolutely necessary for the mother to take special care of her baby. It is clear that the proper nurture and training of children must necessarily start at home at the hands of the mother and with the full cooperation and support of the father. This has been so during all the past centuries and there is no sensible reason to change it now. Can't believe the irony in same sex couples wanting to raise children
Right, and everyone who's grown up without a mother has turned out completely maladjusted?

I suppose you think that if a mother dies in childbirth, the child should be taken away from the father and put up for adoption?

And if a baby is abandoned by her mother and the adoption agency cannot find a same-sex couple to adopt it, you'd rather the child have no parents than two parents of the same sex?

There are plenty of cases in which an infant has been raised by same sex parents and turned out just fine. This one, for example.
 

TecK NeeX

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#51
Illuminattile said:
I suppose you think that if a mother dies in childbirth, the child should be taken away from the father and put up for adoption?
LOL you are way too quick to make wild assumptions!.

Just because a mother died at birth that doesn't in anyway mean the father is left with no choice but to give his child up for adoption or raise his child alone. The support needed to raise a child by an unexperienced father would start rolling in from every direction. From his Parents, Sisters, Cousins, Aunts, Friends and so on. Thats not mentioning his wifes family and relatives as well. Plenty of help available to raise the child in a rare unfortunate case such as this one.

And if a baby is abandoned by her mother and the adoption agency cannot find a same-sex couple to adopt it, you'd rather the child have no parents than two parents of the same sex?
You mean if the agency can't find an opposite-sex couple?

In this case, if opposite-sex couples and foster care etc are out of the picture thus leaving the agency with 2 choices either 1. throw the child away or 2. give the child up to a same-sex couple, i'd choose the latter

Dont get me wrong, 2 fathers or 2 mothers are always better than a child left with no parents at all. I just think same-sex couples adopting should be a last resort, for example in cases such as the one you mentioned.

fathering scholar Dr. Kyle Pruett of Yale Medical School in his book Fatherneed: Why Father Care is as Essential as Mother Care for Your Child.

Pruett says dads matter simply because “fathers do not mother.” Psychology Today explains, “fatherhood turns out to be a complex and unique phenomenon with huge consequences for the emotional and intellectual growth of children.” A father, as a male parent, brings unique contributions to the job of parenting that a mother cannot.

Likewise, a mother, as a female parent, "uniquely impacts the life and development of her child", as Dr. Brenda Hunter explains in her book, The Power of Mother Love: Transforming Both Mother and Child. Erik Erikson explained that father love and mother love are qualitatively different kinds of love. Fathers “love more dangerously” because their love is more “expectant, more instrumental” than a mother’s love.

Like you said studies have shown that children raised in gay and lesbian households fare no worse than those reared in traditional families.

however, Upon closer examination and more recent Research and studies, do infact state children raised in traditional families by a mother and father are happier, healthier, and more successful than children raised in non-traditional environments.
 
#52
Upon closer examination and more recent Research and studies, do infact state children raised in traditional families by a mother and father are happier, healthier, and more successful than children raised in non-traditional environments.
Can you give me examples of such research and studies? Examples that aren't 5 years old?

I'm no Yale graduate, but I think the most important thing for a parental unit is the balance of responsibilities. I didn't grow up with same-sex parents but I think as long as parents get the right balance of discipline and care it doesn't matter whether the parents and male/female, male/male or female/female. I don't think there's any characteristic or trait, essential to the development of a child, which
a) all women have, and
b) which no men have
 

TecK NeeX

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#53
The studies that show no difference between homosexual and heterosexual households are weak, flawed and biased. These studies are often conducted by researchers who are themselves gay or lesbian, and funded by gay friendly foundations.

In their book titled "No Basis: What the Studies Don't Tell Us About Same-Sex Parenting." ph d's Robert Lerner and Althea Nagai evaluated most of these studies and found at least one "fatal" research flaw in all of the studies. Some major problems uncovered in those studies include the following:

1 - Unclear hypotheses and research designs
2 - Missing or inadequate comparison groups
3 - Self-constructed, unreliable and invalid measurements
4 - Non-random samples, including use of "friendship circles" (participants who recruit other participants)
5 - Samples too small to yield meaningful results
6 - Missing or inadequate statistical analysis

As a result, the authors concluded that 'no generalizations can reliably be made based on any of these studies'. They conducted their own studies that prove otherwise and even proposed better ways to accurately evaluate homosexual parenting.

Critics like the people behind that website you provided and many others have responded to this and have repeatedly attacked the researchers instead of actually puttin the effort to even make a decent attempt to refute or challenge their findings/results. What does that make of them? This fact alone shows that they're not really angry at the conclusion but at the fact that their results are indeed true.

These annonymous people who partaked in these unreliable, biased and flawed studies failed to respond and the results to the research conducted by Robert Lerner and Althea Nagai remain unchallenged and unopposed til this day.
 
#54
TecK NeeX said:
The studies that show no difference between homosexual and heterosexual households are weak, flawed and biased. These studies are often conducted by researchers who are themselves gay or lesbian, and funded by gay friendly foundations.
As opposed to studies conducted by researchers who are a heterosexual married Conservative couple and funded by gay unfriendly foundations, such as Lerner and Nagai's?

You might call that "attacked the researchers" but considering Lerner and Nagai are trying to discredit others research as biased and flawed, I think it's more than fair for others to point out their bias and their previous studies based on small, non-representative samples.
 

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