Religion V's Science

[-Daniel-]

To start with Science has an unfair advantage in modern times. Science is increasingly taught more than Religion used to be. I can see where this Government is leading this world; a world where Scientific breakthrough is seen as the dominant factor in people's lives. Also I don't intend to go against anyones beliefs, but I will if it means putting my point across.

I see people who are Athiest/Agnostic saying "if God Exists then he is cruel/ How can a God let something like this happen... " In wake of a Tsunami. Sounds to me like people need to get there priorities straight. Either you do or you don't have a religion. You don't be an Atheist/Agnostic and walking around saying "Oh My God!!" when something bad happens.

What will happen when our Human structure is uncovered by science? more Cure's, less suffering? Money control's our lives, why not genetic research too? Who is to say that a Government will never use it's knowledge of human genetics to manipulate our lives further? When has Man ever created a weapon he hasn't used?

God forbid a 1984 George Orwell-type world.

I can only see mankind being drawn further into oppression by ruling entities. And we as Humans are gonna regret ever denying the existence of God and calling for his help when straits get dire because of science.
The Rule is just buying it's time, while it knows more.

I'm no prophet or anything, far from it. I only intend to put my views across of what I see and what could be.

Science will never explain everything, It will destroy itself before it does. When will people stop and realise the truth?

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Science can save lives through medical breakthroughs.
Science can also destroy lives through the manufacture of hi-tech weapons.

Religion can save lives by giving people hope & the will to persevere.
Religion can also destroy lives as it only trails wealth in the stakes of what causes the most friction in the world.

I answered in an amicable manner but I must say, -Daniel-, you seem to love telling athiests that they are doomed & are going to suffer & be sorry when really, you're arguments are pitiful.

Wosr than blind, you are a limp sheep.

 

[-Daniel-]

Baaaaaaa.

I never tried to Judge anyone.

Religion promises life after death (permiting)

Science is clueless as is scientists.

God saves lives.

I'd rather work with a sense of wonder than a sense of rules.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Have you ever required the help of a doctor?

If so, how can you say scientists are useless?

Without scientists you would've gotten that help.

If not, then you are either unbreakable or lying. I suggest the latter.

God ain't going to save your life if you get shot. Science might.

And while you may not have, I judge you. I charge you with being a first class dumbass. Not for believing in God, but for being thick enough to completely disregard science & scientists as a waste of time.

 

[-Daniel-]

I go to Doctors, yes. He works with tools and equipment given to him in this world.

I don't think I'm going to see a scientist, he's my Doctor, he has a purpose. He may work with science yes. Medicine is a 'Practice', it learns from it's mistakes. it never invented the human body. Us humans thrive off of our environment. Of course there are things we will be able to use.

I don't disregard science at all, I take it as being a part of life. But when people are trying to use it as something to disprove the existence of God then I have to turn away from it.

Which is more a miracle: being born or surviving 5 shots?

Don't Judge me.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

scientist n.
a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.

I'm pretty sure doctors have expert knowledge of science.

Science is clueless as is scientists.

I don't disregard science at all

A contradiction I think!

One as stark as those of your God who is all merciful & forgiving & yet will leave non-believers to die when the Rapture comes (Of course, that idea has no effect on me but for you not to see the contradiction is pathetic)



Science has went into some detail as to how you are born & it has nothing to do with God. Science can tell you how pregnancy occurs & also has the power to prevent it. Science can tell you many things about your unborn child, including how to keep it healthy. Science is there to deliver the baby & fix a lot of the complications which may occur. God has not been proven to do any of those things.

Surviving 5 shots? The doctors heal you or you die.

Neither is a miracle. Both are dictated by actions & circumstance.

 

[Flipmo]

To each their own I would say.

Whatever makes a person strong at heart and gives them a will, is good in my book.

Religion gives ppl faith to live in peace without violence (or try to lol)
Science can give hope to a paralyzed person that medical science will help them walk again.

To each their own I say.

Ppl shouldn't be bashing each other upon religion and science.

 

[not really ken]

JUst because your religious doesn't mean that you hate science, that's is a ridiculous notion. During the islamic empire many scientific fields were vigorously pursued. Many of the modern principles of medicine are the same as what the muslim doctors described.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

ken did you read this comment;

Science is clueless as is scientists.

If not, then this is what I was referring to. If so, then you might want to tell me how this does not imply that -Daniel- believes science is useless.

 

[not really ken]

Daniel has an opinion and I disagree! I think he's a christian, well im a muslim. If anyone speaks for me, it's defo not him

 

[TecK NeeX]

why must we always separate religion and science? i dont see it as a battle or a competition between the 2 like most atheists and christians see it as, in Islam God encourages everyone not just muslims to seek knowledge and wisdom.

God encourages all of us to investigate and reflect upon the earth, mountains, stars, plants, animals, the creation of man and many other created things. examining these, man comes to recognize the artistry of God's creation in the world around him, who created the entire universe and everything in it from nothing.

"Science" offers a method by which the universe, and all the beings therein, may be examined to discover the artistry in God's creation, some use this method for self gain and pride while some use it to get closer to God and reach a new level of understanding his might.

 

[Hurts]

Maybe it's just me..but im really not interested in knowing if i go to hell or heaven..or if there was a big bang..i just wanna live my life lol

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

why must we always separate religion and science? i dont see it as a battle or a competition between the 2 like most atheists and christians see it as, in Islam God encourages everyone not just muslims to seek knowledge and wisdom.

God encourages all of us to investigate and reflect upon the earth, mountains, stars, plants, animals, the creation of man and many other created things. examining these, man comes to recognize the artistry of God's creation in the world around him, who created the entire universe and everything in it from nothing.

"Science" offers a method by which the universe, and all the beings therein, may be examined to discover the artistry in God's creation, some use this method for self gain and pride while some use it to get closer to God and reach a new level of understanding his might.

Religion & science are seprated here because the thread demanded they be. In daily life, I seperate them because I believe in one & not the other.

Anyway, while I choose to put my faith in science & humanity & choose to omit religion from my beliefs I respect what your saying.

Maybe it's just me..but im really not interested in knowing if i go to hell or heaven..or if there was a big bang..i just wanna live my life lol

I wouldn't care either if it wasn't for fanatics trying to ram religion down the throats of me & mine.

 

[Glockmatic]

If there wasn't science all of the western world would still be in the dark ages right now

 

[TecK NeeX]

^ why just the western world? why not the whole world? or are you implying that all non-western countries are still in the dark ages?

 

[Glockmatic]

Well hes christian, most christians were in the western part of the known world then, and hes saying that science is terrible and does no good. What brought them out of the dark ages? Science from the east and south

 

[TecK NeeX]

oh gotcha. my bad

 

[-Daniel-]

What will happen when our Human structure is uncovered by science? more Cure's, less suffering? Money control's our lives, why not genetic research too? Who is to say that a Government will never use it's knowledge of human genetics to manipulate our lives further? When has Man ever created a weapon he hasn't used?

God forbid a 1984 George Orwell-type world.

I refer to scientists being clueless in context of the Big Bang theory. I'm not denying that science has helped people I'm saying that if it is trying to prove the creation of the universe then it will never succeed.

Science will never ultimately control our environment for I believe there are things far beyond our comprehension and control.

If it does end up 'unlocking' our genetic make-up, what is mankind gonna do with it? Use it as a weapon of course.

Science, ultimately, is just going to give man more weapons of destruction. Either by explosives, disease, genetic manipulation... the list is just going to increase.

 

[Minardi]

I refer to scientists being clueless in context of the Big Bang theory. I'm not denying that science has helped people I'm saying that if it is trying to prove the creation of the universe then it will never succeed.

Science will never ultimately control our environment for I believe there are things far beyond our comprehension and control.

If it does end up 'unlocking' our genetic make-up, what is mankind gonna do with it? Use it as a weapon of course.

Science, ultimately, is just going to give man more weapons of destruction. Either by explosives, disease, genetic manipulation... the list is just going to increase.

What is more clueless??? sciences slowly putting the bricks in place, without knowing the whole picture?
Or believing in a God that theres no evidence of at all, only scriptures?

Some of the bricks in this puzzle we do not know where to place yet, but as we learn more and more, the picture will grow. However its an ever growing picture, that will never be completed, an endless puzzle, science will never see the whole picture, because the universe is so complicated, and not just a simple solution where we have a God to represent all the things we do not understand, and some books writin in a way so its believers always can use an excuse when we learn someting new (an examble, "a day to god, can be 1 second or billions of years", or "A heaven to god, can be either layers of the ozone layer, the universe, or just, eh heaven!")

Im tired of religious people picking out the bricks that doesnt fit in the puzzle yet, and use those as so called "evidence" that God exists. an examble can be either how the universe was created, or questions about death.

its like believers look at it this way

"Science cant explain death, my religion can, so my God MUST exist"

or

"Science cant explain fully how the universe was created, but in my religous books it can, so my god MUST exist"

of course we cant explain it YET, but everyday we learn more, and maybe one day it will all solved.

 

[Illuminattile]

Im tired of religious people picking out the bricks that doesnt fit in the puzzle yet, and use those as so called "evidence" that God exists. an examble can be either how the universe was created, or questions about death.

its like believers look at it this way

"Science cant explain death, my religion can, so my God MUST exist"

or

"Science cant explain fully how the universe was created, but in my religous books it can, so my god MUST exist"

of course we cant explain it YET, but everyday we learn more, and maybe one day it will all solved.

Exactly.

Anyone can come up with a watertight theory which explains absolutely everything. The difference between scientific theories and religious theories is that science works with what it knows, what it has proven, and makes educated assumptions from there. Also, science doesn't have an agenda and isn't afraid to admit that it's wrong.