Rape and Honor Killings

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I was searching the net and came across this article about rape as a form of punnishment against women which led me to an article about honor killings. I found it interesting, and thought I'd post about it.

Muslim Woman's Courage Sets Example
March 16, 2005
by Wendy McElroy
Last week,—the nation's highest Islamic court—vacated an appeals court decision that had outraged the world.

In essence, the appeals court had acquitted five of the six men convicted in the 2002 "honor rape" of Mukhtar Mai. Her ongoing story may well foreshadow the future of Muslim women who suffer under tribal law and other oppressive traditions. Hers is a savage tale of brutalization and courage, with confusing twists and a resolution that is uncertain. But it is a story of hope, which provides reason for optimism.

In it, the West provides an invaluable voice of conscience and compassion. But the story's ultimate message may be that Muslim women must stand up for themselves and say 'no.'

In the summer of 2002, a panchayat court (or village council) sentenced Mukhtar to be gang-raped by four men. The sentence was not to punish Mukhtar for wrongdoing. Rather, her 14-year-old brother was accused of associating in public with a girl from a rival and more powerful tribe; her rape was meant to punish the family for his transgression.

Gang-raped, beaten, and thrown naked into the street, Mukhtar was forced to walk home through her village. The public nature of the punishment ensured she was an outcast and unmarriageable. Mukhtar was expected to kill herself, but a suicide attempt failed. Her family revived her, and the support of her loved ones deterred her from making future attempts.

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By contrast, Kristof wrote, Mukhtar survived and propounded "the shocking idea that the shame lies in raping, rather than in being raped."

In rural Pakistan, as in many remote Muslim areas, tribal courts often take precedence over the law of the land on matters of family and "honor." Indeed, when human rights organizations express outrage over ritualized violence against women in Islamic cultures, it is often the panchayat tribal courts toward which they point an accusing finger.

For example, Pakistan is notorious for "honor killings." This is the practice by which women are murdered, usually by male relatives, for sexual 'improprieties' such as having sex outside of marriage. Mukhtar's story is an international indictment of that system.

However, in recent years—largely due to its alliance with and dependency upon the United States—Pakistan's national government has been trying to reform how women are treated in their country. President Musharraf has declared an agenda of "enlightened moderation" that sets his more Western version of society at odds with tribal traditions.

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And while the world shifted focus, the appeals court set her rapists free.

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But now that the higher court has overturned those acquittals, global attention is again on Mukhtar.

Imagine what might be accomplished if the world pays attention for the next two years.

Copyright © 2005 Wendy McElroy.


Also a good article at: http://usconsulate-istanbul.org.tr/reppub/vawo/tkhan.html
Some of it:

"'Honor' in English language (honos, honoris, in classical Latin)'Izzat', Namoos, 'Ghairat' in Arabic, Turkish and Persian languages have similar meanings; respect, esteem, prestige. Back in the history and even today, every society has defined these terms in its own socio-economic and cultural contexts. Originally, honor has been a gender neutral term. No dictionary labels it as fe/male respect or prestige. In the process of definition of honor, somewhere in the past, patriarchal material forces engendered it and it became male attribute. When in the distant past, honor, izzat, namoos and ghairat got engendered? This question requires a separate research study. Here for my own convenience, I am taking the already engendered concept of honor for the purpose of definitional and contextual explanation.
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Men are the sole possessors and defenders of honor. Honor is purely male attribute. Honor is a dialectical term and its opposite is shame (shame is actually loss of honor). Men are the main sufferers of shame. Where do women stand in this honor/shame schema? Women do not possess honor or suffer shame, they can only bring honor/shame. How? By obeying the dictated norms of the family and community they can make men of the family proud, respectable and honorable. Women bring shame by challenging and rebelling against the dictated norms. As I have mentioned earlier that the concept of honor under discussion is deeply related with woman's body, sexuality, and expressions of her sexual desires, behaviors and acts. To discipline and control female sexuality, patriarchal institution of family constructs the borders and defines the limitations of woman's space. Crime of honor is an act which "can occur when any of the borders are crossed"(1) says a feminist scholar from Arab world. An endorsement comes from Morocco. "transgression of boundaries almost immediately results in a crime of honor" says Mernissi. (2) Lama Abu-odeh further defines honor killings as a crime. "Killing of a woman by her father or brother for engaging in or being suspected of engaging in sexual practices before or outside marriages"
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Three years back, I started collecting data with some presumptions in my mind. That, married women are killed only due to having or on the supicsion of extra-marital relationship (adultery) and young unmarried women are killed mainly due to the pre-marital sexual engagements (fornication). Now, after three years, I have come up with a different kind of list of victims/murderers and motives of the murders. I have come up to the conclusion that honor killings are not just related to the sexual behavior of women or dis/obedience issue, there are many other factors involved in killings of women. The are numerous economic factors. I have found dozens of cases where sexuality of woman was not an issue at all, where mainly, property and economic gains were involved, but woman was killed under the pretext of honor.
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Rape is a very complicated issue in the whole scenario honor killings. An unmarried raped girl is killed in more than 95% cases by her own family men. Her body is responsible for bringing shame on the men of the family. Murder happens usually in the cases when incident of rape is leaked out in the community. Otherwise, family would try to cover it by remaining silent and not reporting the crime to the police. Sometimes, revenge is sought quietly, by murdering the culprit later on or by raping the women of the culprit's family."
I found it disturbing, being a woman living in modern society based upon values such as equality and personal freedom, that there are women who have to endure this kind of treatment. Never will notions such as "differences in culture" justify this kind of torture in my mind. Anyone else got thoughts on this?
 

Mase

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#2
Honor killings/rapings should be stopped, along with stoning women to death. The death penalty is bad enough in America, but at least they have purchased an electric chair.
But then again, that's just the way it is, and it is crazy how different other cultures can be.
 
#3
Mase said:
Honor killings/rapings should be stopped, along with stoning women to death. The death penalty is bad enough in America, but at least they have purchased an electric chair.
But then again, that's just the way it is, and it is crazy how different other cultures can be.
Yeah and with the death penalty they execute the actual offender.....in the rape case I quoted, the "crime" (if you would call it that!) was committed by her little brother!!
 
#5
I have visited Kashmir many times. PLace just outside of Pakistan which has been a war zone ever since the British pulled out.
First and foremost, there is NO islamic court in Pakistan. I have visited Pakistan also and people from western societies (like me) would be terrfied visting the tribal area which I have done. People there walk around with axes and there are many other things that you would learn and see thast would make you feel un-easy. And those people are very sharp and hungry. (a bad combination). Honour killings, or which ever other euphemism you'd like to use. Is forbidden under shariah law, trust me, I don't know how to express to you how forbidden these type of killings are in Islam. The time before Islam in medieval arabia was called 'jahliyah', many scholars of the arabic language have translated (arab is such a deep deep language, you ain't knowing with that 1 dimensional english :mad: i tried to learn it and couldn't :( ) it as meaning ...............ah can't remeber the exact english word but it means 'one who retaliates to a wrong with an equal reaction regardless of any kind of rational thought. Now, the prohet mohammed (pbuh) eplicitly stated that he came to rid the world of 'jahliyah'. honour killings are the higest form of jahliya. an honour killing is irrational and just plain stupid.
 
#6
Unfortunately it is a sad world we live in and cats are saying how democracy, equality and personal freedom like Amara says should all be rights for everyone in this world. The point is, it's not like that in some countries, who do you blame on it on then, the rapers, the government, the system? It's too many questions to ask, but one thing I can assure you is that all these governments are too corrupt to do anything therefore no one will be able to have their rights in several countries until they clean up the whole mess in their respective countries. What I don't get is how countries want to become modern in our time and implement all these rules so equality become something to be achieved yet a lot of those cats are still living as if they were in the past. As for honor killings and all the rest of this topic I think it's never going to happen until someone or a group of people take a stance in Pakistan.

Peace
 
#7
^ groups have taken a stance. yet I think you don't fully understand the tribal system. the government and police dont dont meddle in the politics of the tribal areas. the tribes are ruthless people who, if you violate their 'honour' will make you feel pain. however at the same time those tribal people, if you make a pact or agreement with them, though you maybe there enemy. will honour that agreement to death.
 
#8
The worst part is that Honor killing allows to kill those who are being raped rather than the rapists. If it was the other way round, it would be at least understandable.
 
#9
makaveli_411 said:
Unfortunately it is a sad world we live in and cats are saying how democracy, equality and personal freedom like Amara says should all be rights for everyone in this world. The point is, it's not like that in some countries, who do you blame on it on then, the rapers, the government, the system?
That's not what I said at all. I said I live in a system that respects equality and personal freedom, therefore I am shocked, being a modern woman in a modern world, that people have to endure for such actions. I never said "my" system should be imposed upon anyone or that everyone should live by the standard of my society. Don't confuse it. I simply said I do not like this practice and I fail to the rationale for punnishing an innocent third party, as was the case in the article, for the actions of another. The fact that it is a "different culture" won't justify it in my mind.
 
#10
barbie said:
First and foremost, there is NO islamic court in Pakistan.
Many sources seem to think there is....... :confused:

"The process of Islamization that has taken place in Pakistan, especially in the Zia years, has raised considerable concern about criminal law. In February 1979, President Zia promulgated a new legal code for Pakistan based on Islamic law and established the Federal Shariat Court to hear appeals arising from the new code. The Federal Shariat Court also has extensive other powers (see Role of Islam , ch. 4). It lies within the discretion of the court of first instance to decide whether to try a case under civil or sharia law. If the latter, then the appeals process goes to the Federal Shariat Court, rather than to the high courts."
http://www.photius.com/countries/pakistan/national_security/pakistan_national_security_islamic_provisions.html

BUT if you still dont believe me, check out the Consitution of Pakistan:
http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch3a.html


You are right, however - the actions are done under accordance with tribal law and tribal practices (that was stated in the article anyway, a "village court" handed down the sentence), BUT when seeking justice against these practices, i.e. to make an appeal against the village court - obviously they would take it to the Federal Shariat court. And that was essentially the problem here!!
 
#11
disgraceful,, I still can't believe pakistan accepts this shit.

Its like when a women gets raped over there,, they can't complain about it, or they will get punished. DISGUST!
 
#12
their views on women are discusting to begin with what they put them through both naturally and sinfully are wrong and I think the men should have some law against them......
 
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Amara said:
Many sources seem to think there is....... :confused:

"The process of Islamization that has taken place in Pakistan, especially in the Zia years, has raised considerable concern about criminal law. In February 1979, President Zia promulgated a new legal code for Pakistan based on Islamic law and established the Federal Shariat Court to hear appeals arising from the new code. The Federal Shariat Court also has extensive other powers (see Role of Islam , ch. 4). It lies within the discretion of the court of first instance to decide whether to try a case under civil or sharia law. If the latter, then the appeals process goes to the Federal Shariat Court, rather than to the high courts."
http://www.photius.com/countries/pakistan/national_security/pakistan_national_security_islamic_provisions.html
Money talks :cool:
The corruption in these courts runs deep, very deep. You wouldn't believe how much Musharaf has moved the country into secularism. It's just names on the front. Money rules everything in poor countries like that. Musharraf is the guy who gave the Americans support and intelligence and resources in attacking Afghanistan. Essentially the problem here never was about Bin Laden. many muslims who opposed the action of Musharraf in giving the US support stated explicitally that the only alternative was for Bin Laden to either give himself up or for the Taliban to hand Bin Laden in or hand him in dead. Musharraf should have put that kind of pressure on the taliban and at the same time refused to help America simply because of the 'Collateral damage' (killing of thousands as opposed to one) and the ascension of the Northern Alliance into power (which many people in the UK government have admitted was a big mistake.)
Pakistan has got anything but shariah courts. They are cultural courts. THe names on top are just there for decoration

You are right, however - the actions are done under accordance with tribal law and tribal practices (that was stated in the article anyway, a "village court" handed down the sentence), BUT when seeking justice against these practices, i.e. to make an appeal against the village court - obviously they would take it to the Federal Shariat court. And that was essentially the problem here!!
Authority does not fuck with the tribes in Pakistan. Most of these tribes are in the north west (near afghanistan). They are armed to the teeth. They are also 'pathans' or you might have heard the term 'pashtuns'. Essentially they are a slightly different race to 'normal' Pakistanis and also have a different language they are not represented in the government. They don't like nobody meddling in their politics.
 
#14
groobz said:
disgraceful,, I still can't believe pakistan accepts this shit.

Its like when a women gets raped over there,, they can't complain about it, or they will get punished. DISGUST!
i agree :eek: . but pakistan generally doesn't accept this. Yet, i have explained, the tribes are left to themselves because thats how they want it. The trbial people are very brave and would cause a lot of civil unrest for musharaaf. He doesnt want the headache
 
#16
I totally agree with you Amara but I'm sorry I misinterpreted what I wanted to say. I know what you were saying but what I'm mentioning is why not get your or my system to be the basis for freedom and equality of all the people around the world.

Peace
 
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makaveli_411 said:
I totally agree with you Amara but I'm sorry I misinterpreted what I wanted to say. I know what you were saying but what I'm mentioning is why not get your or my system to be the basis for freedom and equality of all the people around the world.

Peace
Because that is not the nature of the International system. We cannot impose our values and our morality upon others, even in such a horrendous situation as this one. We can influence via channels such as the UN Human Rights Commission or support pressure groups and non-governmental organisations.... I guess the more people understand what is going on and voice their opposition to it, the more likely it is these practices will be discontinued.
 

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