Privacy ain't a thing...is it?
- Thread starter H.E. Pennypacker
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From commiting crimes? Unless you install cameras everywhere I don't see how cuttin down privacy would help. Just because they know what TV channel I watch won't stop me from rape, murder, robbery etc etc.
And about the terrorists.....how many terrorist do you have in down under, have u ever met one? No? So why would you worry?
Seriously, why do you feel that insecure? you're askin constanly for more security so you gotta feel insecure? How come? Do you leave your house thinkin "Damn, one of those terrirst will kill me today" ..... I don't think so.
You say you have nothing to hide and I tell you what the problem with the commet is. HUMANS set the line what's wrong and what's right. You might have nothing to hide right now, but that can quickly change. That is why we don't give up no rights, cause a right you gave up you won't get back and the standard, the rules, are set by SOMEONE. That is the point. There might be a situation where you could get blamed for lovin those japanese chicks....you say you have nothing to hide so I assume you don't do drugs, but what about alcohol, do you drink beer groobz? If so, think about it, not that long ago it wasn't allowed to drink liquor in the USA.....
And about the terrorists.....how many terrorist do you have in down under, have u ever met one? No? So why would you worry?
Seriously, why do you feel that insecure? you're askin constanly for more security so you gotta feel insecure? How come? Do you leave your house thinkin "Damn, one of those terrirst will kill me today" ..... I don't think so.
You say you have nothing to hide and I tell you what the problem with the commet is. HUMANS set the line what's wrong and what's right. You might have nothing to hide right now, but that can quickly change. That is why we don't give up no rights, cause a right you gave up you won't get back and the standard, the rules, are set by SOMEONE. That is the point. There might be a situation where you could get blamed for lovin those japanese chicks....you say you have nothing to hide so I assume you don't do drugs, but what about alcohol, do you drink beer groobz? If so, think about it, not that long ago it wasn't allowed to drink liquor in the USA.....
Mate its not hard. More security = less crime, more secure country. You all want every single right and freedom, and so do rapists, murderers. We already have the most free countries in the world, check the middle east, africa, china ect and you'll see how easy we have it here.
and what the hell does lovin japanese chicks or drinking beer have to do with this? that isn't illegal, so its fine to do.
and what the hell does lovin japanese chicks or drinking beer have to do with this? that isn't illegal, so its fine to do.
The THING IS - it's legal NOW but who says it will be legal in 20 years, after we gave away every right we once had? THAT is the danger, that is why I'm against all this. You mentioned China and I agree, that's a good example. In China the government tries to control what informations people get via the inet - is that what you want? I don't think so. Freedom above all and yes, privacy is a part of freedom.
And since you mentioned rapist....how do you plan to stop a rapist? Do you think because they take our privacy away, let's say that know what books someone reads and what movies someone watches - how should that help stoppin rapes? I really don't see that happening......tell me what steps do stop someone from raping a women..... takin our privacy won't do it, I don't feel that argument.
And since you mentioned rapist....how do you plan to stop a rapist? Do you think because they take our privacy away, let's say that know what books someone reads and what movies someone watches - how should that help stoppin rapes? I really don't see that happening......tell me what steps do stop someone from raping a women..... takin our privacy won't do it, I don't feel that argument.
It has to be done in moderation. I don't want to give away every right i have,, but i'm willing to give away a little to help make the country secure. I hate the way society is now, where everyone is on this "its my right" tip, or if they fail at a job interview they cry discrimination and racist shit, it sickens me, because my country is probably the most generouse and most race tollerant country in the world.
How to stop rape? install more camera's (hidden as well) have more police, and change our FRIGGIN COURT SYSTEM. Where we let people out after 10 years so they can go commit another crime.
How to stop rape? install more camera's (hidden as well) have more police, and change our FRIGGIN COURT SYSTEM. Where we let people out after 10 years so they can go commit another crime.
Do you really want to have cameras everywhere? And is that what you call "done in moderation"??? I don't. And no I don't want no cameras and again, did you read 1984? You really should.
You say you are willing to give away to make the country more secure....but isn't your country secure enough? What do you fear, do YOU need more security? I don't, that's why I don't want to give away nothing.
You say you are willing to give away to make the country more secure....but isn't your country secure enough? What do you fear, do YOU need more security? I don't, that's why I don't want to give away nothing.
Stop telling me to read the book,, i'll read the book when you read a few conservative books that support my opinion jeez.
I have no problems with cameras because they will help catch criminals and prevent crime (obviously). I'm a law abiding citizen so i'm fine,, however the pedo's, rapists and killa's would be in trouble.
Penny, i don't know mate,, you would have to go by what information police found the most useful and successful in helping prevent crime. But your average law abiding citizen would welcome a few camera's or surveillance here and there, if its to get pedo's off the street.
I have no problems with cameras because they will help catch criminals and prevent crime (obviously). I'm a law abiding citizen so i'm fine,, however the pedo's, rapists and killa's would be in trouble.
Penny, i don't know mate,, you would have to go by what information police found the most useful and successful in helping prevent crime. But your average law abiding citizen would welcome a few camera's or surveillance here and there, if its to get pedo's off the street.
fuck conservatism.
i want my privacy. the government knowing what i read and watch on t.v wont do shit to deter criminals. how the hell can you link the two? will i be arrested for a murder because i watched C.S.I? No.
stop with the non-sensical bullshit. the government has no right to constrict my freedom and privacy that im entitled to under this democratic system
i want my privacy. the government knowing what i read and watch on t.v wont do shit to deter criminals. how the hell can you link the two? will i be arrested for a murder because i watched C.S.I? No.
stop with the non-sensical bullshit. the government has no right to constrict my freedom and privacy that im entitled to under this democratic system
Give me titles and author names and I might add them to my to do list.
That's just wrong unless you cover EVERYTHING with cameras. An experiment in London, where they put cameras on main streets, showed that it didn't help. In those streets the crimes went back a little and the beggar disappeared, but in a long term all that didn't SOLVE anything. The lil junkie moved two blocks where no cameras where installed, so did the beggar.....but did you solve a problem? Nope, you move them. This might help if you dont want the tourists to see poverty, but that's about it.
First of all, you keep ignorin my point that laws change and that they are after all, made by humans. There was a time when people in certain countries weren't allowed to buy in shops run by Jews. You are a law abiding citizen now, but times change, laws change, but the rights we gave away won't come back.
Second. My teach once told me, don't give nothing away we fought with blood for and she was absolutly right. I didn't understand back then but now I do. We had those systems before, in the middle age those above the people could do whatever they wanted to, cause people like me were worth shit. It was a long hard fight to get us rights, to protect us from the ones that run the state....you don't give that away just like that.
peace
That's just wrong unless you cover EVERYTHING with cameras. An experiment in London, where they put cameras on main streets, showed that it didn't help. In those streets the crimes went back a little and the beggar disappeared, but in a long term all that didn't SOLVE anything. The lil junkie moved two blocks where no cameras where installed, so did the beggar.....but did you solve a problem? Nope, you move them. This might help if you dont want the tourists to see poverty, but that's about it.
First of all, you keep ignorin my point that laws change and that they are after all, made by humans. There was a time when people in certain countries weren't allowed to buy in shops run by Jews. You are a law abiding citizen now, but times change, laws change, but the rights we gave away won't come back.
Second. My teach once told me, don't give nothing away we fought with blood for and she was absolutly right. I didn't understand back then but now I do. We had those systems before, in the middle age those above the people could do whatever they wanted to, cause people like me were worth shit. It was a long hard fight to get us rights, to protect us from the ones that run the state....you don't give that away just like that.
peace
I agree with penny on most of the points but i also agree with groobz on 1 point. The court systems suck. People who commit murder intentionally, rape and molest children should be locked away forever. Dont give me that "oh they are mentally unstable and need treatment bulshit" i wouldnt even mind seeing child molesters being put on the electric chair or even serial killers.
I dont wanna give up my rights and i dont think it would help reduce crime. There is plenty they can do to reduce crime without taking away our rights. For example they could stop selling guns in ever corner in the US.
Yea and i just wanna add it must suck to live in the US now with the patriot act and all
HA HA!
I dont wanna give up my rights and i dont think it would help reduce crime. There is plenty they can do to reduce crime without taking away our rights. For example they could stop selling guns in ever corner in the US.
Yea and i just wanna add it must suck to live in the US now with the patriot act and all
HA HA!That's true. Because tight now, judicial systems in the Western world are geared towards protecting the innocent rather than convicting the guilty. It's a trade-off we make. Do we want every perv put away and the occasional poor sod who's innocent? Or make sure no poor sods end up in the slammer and have the occasional bastard go free?
Hard choice, and a different debate entirely.
Still, hanging cameras everywhere isn't going to stop crime, nor is it going to stop terrorism. And then i haven't even begun about the feasibility of such an all-out camera project.
Well put.
And neither is terrorism going to be eradicated if the government knows what books I read, movies I watch or pizzas I order. In my opinion, anyone that supports such measures has been taken by the paranoia already.
Either that, or they're very, very gullible....
Hard choice, and a different debate entirely.
Still, hanging cameras everywhere isn't going to stop crime, nor is it going to stop terrorism. And then i haven't even begun about the feasibility of such an all-out camera project.
Well put.
And neither is terrorism going to be eradicated if the government knows what books I read, movies I watch or pizzas I order. In my opinion, anyone that supports such measures has been taken by the paranoia already.
Either that, or they're very, very gullible....
The fact that it's legal hardly means that the government is doing it.
If the government has solid leads on people, checking library records is simply one of the last steps.
Do you honestly believe the Feds waste their time reading random people's library records? That would be an unimaginable waste of manpower and resources. Come on, use logic.
If the government has solid leads on people, checking library records is simply one of the last steps.
Do you honestly believe the Feds waste their time reading random people's library records? That would be an unimaginable waste of manpower and resources. Come on, use logic.
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