Minimum Wage

PuffnScruff · May 4, 2006

I may not have had to struggle in my life or know what it is like to be poor, but I did learn the value of a dollar and how to earn money since the age of 5. I have worked more in my lifetime, jobs and hours, than you have drugballad, I have worked two jobs at the same time, put in average of 45 hours a week for over two years at one job sometime working well over 50 hours most week. I have payed for two cars, insurance on two cars at one time and still am. all on min wage and sometimes tips. And all while paying phone bills and any other expenses in my life.

My point? Not many thing have been handed to me in my life, I earned every thing I own, minus the gifts, I did what I needed to do to pay for tuition, books, gas for work, the hour drive too and from school, and I did this all while living in a capatlist system.

I hate socialism, it doesn't work

America is built on equality , it might have taken a while but it is starting to be more relavent in our lives, but hey things don't happen over night and in most cases don't happen in a few years

Laugh all you want, I still think you need to lay off the pipe

DrugBa11ad · May 4, 2006

Explain this, because as far as I know, socialism DOES work. Where is your proof of this not working?

PuffnScruff · May 4, 2006

nazism, fascism, Baathism, china, north korea, soviet union and cuba to name a few bad examples of socialism. i would get into this more but i am burnt out from finishing 32 hours of lectures and labs of my 40 hours a week of school. i may get into this more if i feel up too it.

S O F I · May 4, 2006

DrugBa11ad said:

Well, not quite. I come from a communist country(Yugoslavia) and I've been raised to appreciate it since my parents have said nothing but good things about it. However, I didn't really get a chance to witness communism at work, if that makes sense. So, I wouldn't call myself an advocate for it. I just know that it's not nearly as bad as America has made it out to be.

Well, I disagree. In the job market, I don't think need should outweigh skill. If you're "needy", there are government programs designed to help you.

If need outweighed skill, than there wouldn't be an "Equal opportunity employer".

Valeoz · May 4, 2006

PuffnScruff said:

And why doesn't socialism work in baathism and those countries? But I would take out Cuba, I would put Cuba on another list, the answer for the others should be self-evident. Just because it doesn't work THERE doesn't mean socialism doesn't work at all.

Edit: Is there a such thing as nazism? I just now thought about it lol. The nazis were fascists. Also, I don't think fascism has any relation to socialism. I might be wrong because I'm taking wild guesses.

Tru Principle · May 5, 2006

I'm watchin' an Oprah special about minimum wage... aah, i'm depressed but inspired to... help.

Duke · May 5, 2006

Valeoz said:

Nah, you're correct.

PuffnScruff said:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

XIAN · May 5, 2006

The Nazis were the so-called "National Socialist Party," however, they were socialists in the sense that they wanted socialism for a CERTAIN KIND of people, mainly white German Protestants, mainly of the Aryan race. This is of course extemely anti-left and anti-socialism which, in reality, is totally and completely against racism of any kind, despite what certain individuals have done to/with Marxist ideas...

PuffnScruff said:

Yeah! Even if you never got a GED, if you're a war verteran, if you're a single mother, if you're homeless, if you lost your farm to the bank, if you lost your house to the bank, if your father's in prison for drugs, if your mother's addicted to drugs, if your neighborhood has no jobs, whether minimum or not, other than candy-men, if you have no health insurance, if your apartment has rats, if you're looking at three strikes, if your parents divorced and you live with your grandmother, if you have three kids...

Doesn't anyone get it? Aren't you tired? We are working so that society can run! But what is it running for? So that the suits on the top can pocket that extra stock and spend the weekend in Martha's Vineyard or Palm Beach?! So they can drive their SUVs and mansions and waste all our oil? So they can vote for mother-fuckin republicans who vote for a war that sends poor people to the MidEast to die for more? So they can make more deals with Asia for cheap labor? I want someone to give me a good reason why 24,000 people die each day from hunger-related causes...

And I swear to God Puffy came here in a time-machine from the year 1924.
~peace~

Tru Principle · May 5, 2006

XIAN said:

Yeah! Even if you never got a GED, if you're a war verteran, if you're a single mother, if you're homeless, if you lost your farm to the bank, if you lost your house to the bank, if your father's in prison for drugs, if your mother's addicted to drugs, if your neighborhood has no jobs, whether minimum or not, other than candy-men, if you have no health insurance, if your apartment has rats, if you're looking at three strikes, if your parents divorced and you live with your grandmother, if you have three kids...

Doesn't anyone get it? Aren't you tired? We are working so that society can run! But what is it running for? So that the suits on the top can pocket that extra stock and spend the weekend in Martha's Vineyard or Palm Beach?! So they can drive their SUVs and mansions and waste all our oil? So they can vote for mother-fuckin republicans who vote for a war that sends poor people to the MidEast to die for more? So they can make more deals with Asia for cheap labor? I want someone to give me a good reason why 24,000 people die each day from hunger-related causes...

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

The.Menace · May 5, 2006

I know what you're sayin, of course 5$ might be "worth" a lil more in that area than in mine, but still not enough money to motivate my ass. Sorry.
I'm agaisnt slavery. And some of the things that happen there is modern slavery. If all you can pay for with your job is your food and a room somewhere, so if you basically are only able 2 survive, what is the difference to slavery? Back then in Rom they gave you food and all too, so you have enough power to work. I see that as slavery and I ain't no slave.

You're really gettin confused with comunism and socialism. Basically all countries in Europe are social countries.

Yes, that is the idea. But are there gov programs in the US? Is there ENOUGH help for people in need? I don't think so.

You just earned a place on my buddy list.

S O F I · May 5, 2006

The.Menace said:

That's why you go to school and obtain a job where you can wear an expensive suit, spend vacations in Martha's vineyard, and drive SUV's that suck up all of our oil.

But, on a more serious note, you can obtain more than just food and a place to live in if you work full-time for minimum wage.

Might as well ask whether there's enough help worldwide or not. If you look at the numbers XIAN posted, you can come to a conclusion.

The.Menace · May 5, 2006

See - I know what I want and so minimum wage is not an option.

But we have to start somewhere, don't we?

PuffnScruff · May 6, 2006

XIAN said:

yeah, its all the "mans" fault. :rolleyes:

if you were one of the "suits" i doubt you would be complaining. not everyone who joins the military is poor. that is an idiotic micheacl moore asumption. people choose to join the military. no one forces them too.

if you dont have a ged, that is nobodys fault but your own. if you are tired of making less than 15 grand a year because you dont have an education that is no ones fault but your own. geds are not hard to get . i should know i have one.

you seem to have a pretty shitty understanding of war veterans.

there are tax payer programs out there too help poor people, if they dont take advantage of them they have no one to blame but them self.

you keep listing off all these cliches. loosing your house to the bank. maybe there are factors in that you are not aware of, like credit problems, not paying bills, buying a house they cant afford.

loosing your farm the the bank? that doesn happen to much in this day and age, farmers do pretty well. i would know, i would family who run farms.

"if your father's in prison for drugs, if your mother's addicted to drugs, "
child services maybe? children can escape irresponsible parents. i also know about this, when i lived in las vegas i had two friends who were brothers that lives a few houses down the street from me. there mother was a heroin addict. did nothing but shoot up all day long and lay in bed. police were called on her, they were taken out of that shit hole and put in a better living situation. it was all for the better.

"if your neighborhood has no jobs, " thats pretty rare in todays society were unemployment is at an all time low. looked in the want ads lately?

"if you have no health insurance, " you can get health insurance for working at mcdonalds flipping burgers, there are also these things called free clinics in most cities.

"if you're looking at three strikes,"and whose fault would that be?

"if you have three kids... " there is this thing called taking responsibility for your own actions, if you dont want kids use protection or dont have sex.

your laundry list of complaints make no sense. you are listing off things that can be avoided or over come if an individual would try.

XIAN · May 6, 2006

I just don't think that way. Individualism doesn't work, it's driving people apart, it's creating an illusion of indifference. The things I listed do occur, and the ghetto is not made up, rural poverty is not made up, worker exploitation is not made up, the military industrial complex is not made up, cheap labor is not made up, teen pregnancy is not made up, 24000 everyday...is not made up.

Socialism is coming and there is no way to stop it. Your head is in the wrong place if you think the system works. We cannot have people like you, who don't give two shits about anyone other than yourself and your family. "Too bad" is saddest phrase ever said.

And I don't know what they're feeding you down there in FL but it's not the truth...

"In addition, areas of Winter Park are resided by a vast majority of wealthy families and the city is generally considered to be one of the richest cities in Florida."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Park,_Florida

And I honestly don't give a fuck if I get a ban. "I kill a capitalist for fun." That's for the suit comment...

~peace~

PuffnScruff · May 6, 2006

XIAN said:

you just proved your ignorance with posting winter park floridas wiki page. i moved here in oct for school. is there something wrong with that? is there something wrong with trying to work in the field of my dream and earning my first degree that i will recieve in about 6 months? the only thing being fed into my head down here is how to set up a midi system, run a multi track recording console, music theory and history, how to use recoring software and hardware, how to set up a recording studio, the different jobs out there in the audio engingeering world, skills for the industry, and production skills.

you dont have to tell me about ghettos i lived on the east side of stlouis for about 11 years. heard of east saint louis illinois? one of the worst ghettos in the midwest, and yes the people there were lazy, bragged, and loved living off the govt.not all of them, but many were. the belleville news democrat interviewed a young woman in the late 90s bragging about how she has4 kids from 4 fathers and doesnt work because she doesnt have to since she can get welfare.

are you seriously threating my life? grow the fuck up, fake ass e-thug.

PuffnScruff · May 6, 2006

and xian since none of the mods will probably do this you obviously need to read this
http://www.streethop.com/forum/faq.php?faq=guidelines#faq_poster_guidelines

Duke · May 6, 2006

PuffnScruff said:

So fair, you gave us 50 minutes!

XIAN doesn't need to read the guidelines. He isn't breaking any of them. Keep discussion on the topic at hand, don't make it personal.

XIAN · May 6, 2006

About the FL thing, it's just my nature to look for reasons. The "kill" comment was a play on the Scarface line. I'm not gonna kill anyone, I promise. And good for you for following your dream. Do you go to Full Sail? I thought about that a while back.

But anyway, it doesn't make sense to me how someone who's seen such a tragic struggle would not be full of compassion, especially when looking at it from the inside and moving to the outside. Because honestly, that is the only answer that will make things better. "Too bad" is not good enough, in fact it is the oppositte of the solution. Just because things *can* be done in capitalism, doesn't mean that they will be, just because it's possible that any of us could be taking those weekend trips to the beach house, doesn't mean that any of us will be. There will always be losers in this system, there will always be people oppressed in this system. Individualism philosophises that there can and will be individuals that will slip out and make it, but socialism philosophises that everyone will be picked up and carried out. I think we should all want that.
~peace~

PuffnScruff · May 6, 2006

yes i do go to full sail

i do have compassion for people. i do not have compassion for people that do not at least try to help them selves or look for others to blame for their problems.

i have seen individualsim work. when i have seen it fail it has been because the idividual makes bad choices and continues to make bad choices with out realizing their mistakes and learning from them, and instead trying to shift the blame to other places.

i believe that if you truely want things in your life like a beach house to visit on the weekend you can have it, you just need to make effort to try and make it happen. there are ways to make it happen that most people go their whole life not knowing about. people whose jobs are to help make it happen. its not giong to happen overnight, but with hard work, time, dedication and a dream it can happen.
i think the losers are the ones that give up and stop trying while finding other places to shift blame with out looking at the real place where the blame needs to be focused.

XIAN · May 6, 2006

I don't know, it just feels like you're giving an argument that it is possible to succeed in capitalism, and it is. But I think it's deeper than self-determination, and there is a sociological cause to poverty and oppression and class that can be cured with a sociological solution, and that's basically it. It would require that we further our circle of compassion to everyone, whether you think they deserve it or not. I mean, think about if you were one of those on the lower end that has no motivation in life. It's one of the worst pains. If it were me, I'd want help, so that's what I think we should give. There is always a reason to things like poverty, and even if you think it's laziness, there's a reason for laziness. And of course there's a solution...
~peace~

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