Milosevic is dead

hizzle? · Mar 14, 2006

troublesome2004 said:

Well, I kind of agree with you, but don't you think that Serbians have a lot of double standards concerning every nation surrounding them?

I see that you are non-biased (in the Balkan standards

) but you have to agree that Milosevic was not really an angel... I don't understand how you people don't see that he did genocides on Albanians in Kosovo, Bosnians in Bosnia and Serbia (Sandzak) and Croatians in Serbia and Croatia...

I am not saying that Bosnians didn't do bad stuff to you guys, but for Christ's sakes, it's not like Srebrenica is invented from someone's mind!

hizzle? · Mar 14, 2006

Duke said:

He didn't get poisoned...he practicly poisoned himself... He took some nonprescripted medecine for his heart which caused his heart attack :thumb: Now, if it was on perpice or not, i have no fucking idea

dinoo · Mar 14, 2006

man screw that fool.. he fucking destroyed my fucking country

S O F I · Mar 14, 2006

Duke said:

Clinton, for one.

how hizzle? said:

Did you just not read the article I posted at all?

hizzle? · Mar 14, 2006

S O F I S T I K said:

it's serbian right??? For x reason, i rarely believe what's written in Serbian, Bosnian and some Croatian newspapers

I rather read Canadian and French newspapers

kanyeSouth · Mar 14, 2006

can sum1 up links about milosevic n what he made the serbs 2 believe in

hizzle? · Mar 14, 2006

kanyeSouth said:

Well, i'll try to be objective, even if its hard

In 1980 when Tito died, Serbian nationalists (when you say nationalist in europe it's like an extremist)... took the party and hence the power of Yugsolavia....

They slowly began to do propaganda that Yugoslavia should be Serbia (also known as the Greater Serbia as he said it himself)

Slovenia wanted indenpendece because tehy didnt want to lose their country...
Then it was Croatia who always wanted indenpendece....
Bosnia also opted for that way, even thought some of them (bosnian orthodoxes, aka Serbs(notice the difference between Serbians and Serbs... Serbians=from serbia, Serbs=Orthodoxes outside Serbia but inside Yugoslavia))

Between 1980 and 1990, he said that Serbia is God's land and stuff like that which made Serbians believe that they can do anything they want whenever they want, whereever they want... (of course not all of them)...

To a serbian, a Croatian(mostly cahtolics) were their biggest enemies...
a Bosnian(mostly muslims) were pieces of shit who should all die because they represent the Turks (they even call us Turks, even tho we don't really care about Turkey...)

You see, in the Balkans, a nationality = religion.... so to some Serbians, a, let's say, Egyptian is the same thing as a Bosnian, because both of them are muslim...

Anyways, you know the rest

Flipmo · Mar 14, 2006

how hizzle? said:

Well, i'll try to be objective, even if its hard

In 1980 when Tito died, Serbian nationalists (when you say nationalist in europe it's like an extremist)... took the party and hence the power of Yugsolavia....

They slowly began to do propaganda that Yugoslavia should be Serbia (also known as the Greater Serbia as he said it himself)

Slovenia wanted indenpendece because tehy didnt want to lose their country...
Then it was Croatia who always wanted indenpendece....
Bosnia also opted for that way, even thought some of them (bosnian orthodoxes, aka Serbs(notice the difference between Serbians and Serbs... Serbians=from serbia, Serbs=Orthodoxes outside Serbia but inside Yugoslavia))

Between 1980 and 1990, he said that Serbia is God's land and stuff like that which made Serbians believe that they can do anything they want whenever they want, whereever they want... (of course not all of them)...

To a serbian, a Croatian(mostly cahtolics) were their biggest enemies...
a Bosnian(mostly muslims) were pieces of shit who should all die because they represent the Turks (they even call us Turks, even tho we don't really care about Turkey...)

You see, in the Balkans, a nationality = religion.... so to some Serbians, a, let's say, Egyptian is the same thing as a Bosnian, because both of them are muslim...

Anyways, you know the rest

Pretty much a general sum of the last 20-25 years. If you ask why he takes Turks as an example, it's because the Turks controlled Serbia and kinda treated them like garbage for like 400 years, a long time back.

Duke · Mar 15, 2006

how hizzle? said:

The stuff he took or was given neutralized the effects of the medicine subscribed to him for his high blood pressure and heart problems. So it's not really a poisoining, still pretty clever.

What would Clinton gain from a dead Slobo? :confused:

S O F I · Mar 15, 2006

Duke said:

Clinton, along with Madeline Albright, was subpoenaed by Milosevic to appear in court, in regards to the Nato Bombing. Let's just say that they would have some explaining to do. For one, a bombed civilian train on a bridge in Serbia, along with many other things.

Now, it's unlikely that Clinton or Madeline had something to do with his death, but you were looking for a person with a motive, so I gave you one or two.

hizzle? · Mar 15, 2006

S O F I S T I K said:

Yes... Americans should appear in Den Haag... They did so much incredible shit to Bosnians, Serbians and Croatians during that war, it's fucking incredible...

They told Bosnia that they would stop helping them if they declared in public the things they did between 92-95...
The main reason USA entered the war was to win a place in the Balkans, so they can have another base near Israel. (They now have one in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo) :thumb:

Flipmo · Mar 15, 2006

The USA just used most of us in the Balkans. They just wanted to add bases like Hizzle said. Fuck, the bastards even wanted to use Dubrovnik as a military marina or something. I remember it in 95 when I was in Croatia. They didn't do it eventually cause of the uprise of hate.

lol, most of the people overthere would throw up their middle finger whenever they saw NATO or US forces while driving by, Croatians, Bosnians and Serbians. lol.

troublesome2004 · Mar 15, 2006

how hizzle? said:

No, I'm sure that Serbs don't have double standards as far I'm talking about regular people. When we look upon our politicians we see different picture. They have one story for their nation, other for the West and third for the neighbours. They are really shady. But, Serbian politicians are not different from others politicians. I think that every influental politician anywhere in the world will sell his own mother just to get what they seeks.
I never said that Milosevic was an angel. Check one of my previous posts. I'm almost offended by some of your premisses but I must say that you are twisting the truth. There were absolutely no genocide on Croats in Serbia or muslims in Sandzak. Those who told you that certainly lied.
Srebrenica was retaliation for the Serbian villages around Srebrenica that muslims entirely defaced. First, it wasn't planned to be this way. When things gone too far some decided to cover up all the mess. This was told to me by some people that fought on the first line of the front on Serbian side during that time. They also later saw the terrible things in Srebrenica. In this war there was many awful things happened far from eyes of public. For some of them we will never know. Any idea what happened to Serbs in Visoko or about the deportation of entirely Serbian community from Krajina. All nations suffered. All nation made outrageous crimes. But, we only see hunt for Serbs. Why?

troublesome2004 · Mar 15, 2006

how hizzle? said:

We'll see a lot of speculations about his death but one thing is clear. The Haag Tribunal killed him on one way or another. And, Milosevic didn't killed himself because he thought he was capable to defeat the whole Tribunal. That was his latest utopia.

troublesome2004 · Mar 15, 2006

how hizzle? said:

I was suprised when I read what you posted here. I have nothing against you but I noticed that in time when some of crucial events took place you were very young. Of course, you talked wit number of your friends and relatives about these events and get informations from other resources.
Before Milosevic did it in late 80s, it was almost mortal sin to declare yourself in public as a Serb. You must declare yourself as a Yugoslav. All activits that consider theirselves for loyal Serbs stayed illegal. Some of them were hunted and punished for their beliefs. In that category you can find Kostunica (currently Prime minister of Serbian goverment), Djindjic (former Prime minister, killed three years ago), Seselj (leader of Radical party, the strongest party in pposition, currently in Haag waiting for his trial to begins) and some others. But Milosevic was hungry for power. He played on a card of nationalism. He used that to grab the power. Same as Tudjman (in Croatia) nad Izetbegovic (In Bosnia And Herzegovina) Tragic for all of us.
It is not true that other nations in Yugoslavia were scared of Serbs. Most of high politicians during comunist reign weren't Serbs. Tito wasn't Serb either. There are a lot of evidences that muslims, Croats and Albanians began to arm themselves from 1968. (Very important year for whole eastern Europe and from this point comunism started to peak.) It is true that Serbs always wanted to see all of their compatriots living in the same country. Since Yugoslavia existed, on some way this was fulfiled.
Croats always wanted independence. Whichever army marched throught Zagreb (capital of Croatia) they applauded. Strange... I have no problem with their independence. If they want to live in their own country they have right to do it. But, it isn't so simple. In a big part of Croatia Serbs were dominant population. That caused problems because they live there for centuries.
Slovenia had tha biggest standard in former Yugoslavia. Life was easy for them so they realised that they can live without 'brothers' and make bigger profits and even more to progress. So they choose path to independence. In Slovenia all started...
Tito labeled people in Bosnia that were muslim faith by the same name. Before him they have no rights. And, it's true before World War II Serbs and Croats called them 'Turkish'. This was banned after the war. They were minority (Serbs nad Croats were majority) but their population later begins rapidly to grow. Only small percentage of them are Turkish descents. Most of them were forced to accept islam during the Middle Age. They are like cousins to Serbs and Croats.
I won't talk about Macedonians this time although I have some great friends there.
Politicians sow the hate between nations in former Yugoslavia. We were all naive to accept that. Such things that you said that Serb thought I even didn't hear from a big nationalists. They attitude is mostly like this 'They did this and this then and then to us so we will do this and this to them'. Violence rise violence. Hate rise hate. How sad. Millions bleed for nothing.
Yes, we have problem with religion. Still. You are Bosnian catholic and I'm Serbian protestant and many people will look strange on us because we are not the stereotypes. I had some problems because of my faith in the pass.
At the end, this all was cooked outside Yugoslavia long long time ago and if we didn't have Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbegovic some else will take their place. I totaly agree with what you guys said about the role that USA played in the former Yugoslavia. We should ignore their duplicity.

hizzle? · Mar 15, 2006

^^^can we talk on msn, i would like to have a conversation with you, cuz you are actually one unbrainwashed serbian (excuse me dude, but that's rare...just as rare as a Bosnian that doesnt hate Serbia)

Flipmo · Mar 16, 2006

troublesome2004 said:

Well said. The steriotypes we have for each other are horrible. The problem I've been seeing more and more within the Croatian community is Ustaci pride. I mean, you wouldn't believe the hate some Croatians I know have for Serbians, and when I ask them if they knew what Ustace did, they're clueless about it all. They follow a steriotypical hate. I've given shit to some and all I get as a reply is if I am a Chetnik. There is no way of getting through to them. Blinded by hate. I won't lie I hate what Serbs did and sometimes I'll get pissed if I think about it, especially I was there near Zadar during the war, and I got to see first hand what was going on, I even went to Knin(which is a lovely city now) to see if my uncle was okay after it was taken over and I didn't see very marvellous things, but I know better then to judge all Serbians, as my Bosnian bro How Hizzle knows the same. Sofistik and you seem to know that not all Croatians and Bosanci aren't nut cases either. lol.

Barem mozemo mi svi sporazum da Amerikansi su svi pokvareni. :laugh:

hizzle? · Mar 16, 2006

^^ Same thing here, except I'm from Herzegovina, so I have some heat for Croatians, but of course, not all of them.

To Flipster's last sentence:

You know that song we sing in Ex-Yugo to them... it goes something like "Amerikanac na kurac" or something like that...damn it...

Flipmo · Mar 16, 2006

lol, yeah at the waterpolo fina game here against Serbia, the Croatians changed it to 'Serbia Na Kurac', Serbia were saying their thing on their side though.

hizzle? · Mar 16, 2006

Yeah we usually do that too when we play serbia..

they yell "srbija... srbija.../serbia serbia" during the time they catch their breath we yell "na kurac / on my dick"

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