Kids and the world today

[Jocka]

So you'll be out in the alley watching your son light up a joint, making sure nobody drives past playing their "devil music" too loud?

LMAO.

No. By that I didn't mean that my son can smoke weed every day of his life. Basically what I mean is, if I don't know about it, then it's gonna piss me off. With that said. I just would rather know who my child is "experimenting" with than to wonder who and what he's experimenting with.

By the way. Limiting my son doesn't mean that everything will be strictly forbidden or he's going to hell (especially since i'm not christian ). What I was saying is that my son will know how to respect women and his elders, first and foremost. He will learn respect before anything. If this means that I have to "Ban" him from rap, then so be it. I don't believe that music and movies have the largest impact but how the child is allowed to act in public based on the world around him will be VERY strictly inforced. I refuse to let me child be loud and obnoxious like I see children today. I refuse to let him use profanity at all but if ever infront of an adult, he will get the beating of his lifetime. I refuse to let my son turn into another nobody, street thug, white trash, unintelligent statistic of this nation. So. By saying that he will be limited, I meant he will be limited based upon my view of the music/movie/show/etc.

 

[Illuminattile]

What I was saying is that my son will know how to respect women and his elders, first and foremost.

What about men and his youngers?

He will learn respect before anything. If this means that I have to "Ban" him from rap, then so be it. I don't believe that music and movies have the largest impact but how the child is allowed to act in public based on the world around him will be VERY strictly inforced.

If your child is the type that listens to rap music and becomes a misogynistic homophobic brat, then the problem isn't with the music. You can ban whatever you want, but if your child is that impressionable, he's gonna find something to mimick. You have to address the root of the problem.

 

[Jocka]

if the men are older.. they will be respected as well. I could give a fuck if he respects 'youngers' to be honest lol. I don't show respect to anyone my age or younger until I get respect because kids keep getting worse and worse.

and thats true. If he takes shit that seriously then theres almost NOTHING I can do then isn't there? I mean. If I kept him from all that then he'd be a good kid until he got old enough to hear it and then he'd do it anyway. I don't think any kid is like that though. They grow to be what they know. The real trick is balancing morals and reality.

 

[cookies]

lol Illuminattile you are very argumentative

 

[Illuminattile]

lol Illuminattile you are very argumentative

No I'm not.

 

[Jocka]

lol Illuminattile you are very argumentative

no shit.. threads not about "me" but he keeps pointing fingers and asking ME questions.. STOP - STICK TO THE TOPIC

 

[Illuminattile]

no shit.. threads not about "me" but he keeps pointing fingers and asking ME questions.. STOP - STICK TO THE TOPIC

It's my job to argue with people. If you didn't want people to question your views, you shouldn't have made them public.

 

[Jocka]

It's my job to argue with people. If you didn't want people to question your views, you shouldn't have made them public.

Do you get paid to do this? If so, are they hiring?

My opinions toward the topic of this thread (the topic.. like the topic of discussion) were only for opinions sake. Not so I could be interrogated by Captain Questions.

What are your opinions? How would you raise your kids to be better?

 

[S O F I]

If anything, he's trying to help you become a better father, Jocky.

 

[Glockmatic]

tip to parents - Beat your kids more often. Not the "Punch the back of the throat" beats, i mean occasional slaps, kids need more of that

 

[Illuminattile]

Do you get paid to do this?

Yes.

If so, are they hiring?

No.

My opinions toward the topic of this thread (the topic.. like the topic of discussion) were only for opinions sake. Not so I could be interrogated by Captain Questions.

What are your opinions? How would you raise your kids to be better?

I would provide them with a sense of right and wrong, but I wouldn't expect them to necessarily take it as gospel. Just because they're my kids doesn't mean they have to share my views on things. Of course, as a legal guardian I would have a certain level of discretion. Once they reach a certain age and they're responsible for their own lives, I'd let them make their own choices. Even if I didn't agree with them. They break the law, though, and I'd shop 'em to the feds.

 

[S O F I]

They break the law, though, and I'd shop 'em to the feds.

No, you wouldn't.

 

[Jocka]

LMAO now thats funny.

I'll beat ur kids for you. ok

 

[Illuminattile]

No, you wouldn't.

I would. I'm not talking about petty misdemeanours, I'm talking about proper crimes.

Just because they're my kids doesn't make them exempt from the law. It's not like I can say "Well they committed a crime, but I know them so it doesn't really count."

 

[S O F I]

I would. I'm not talking about petty misdemeanours, I'm talking about proper crimes.

Just because they're my kids doesn't make them exempt from the law. It's not like I can say "Well they committed a crime, but I know them so it doesn't really count."

So, you wouldn't send your kids to jail to do a month or two month long bid, but would send them to do years in jail? When, sending them to jail for a month or two would more than likely prevent them from committing a more serious crime. But, scratch all that, what I am saying is that your unconditional love for them will prevent you from sending them to jail to suffer.

 

[Illuminattile]

So, you wouldn't send your kids to jail to do a month or two month long bid, but would send them to do years in jail? When, sending them to jail for a month or two would more than likely prevent them from committing a more serious crime.

I'm not saying I'd ignore the crimes. I'd administer my own punishment. If they committed a crime that would get them a couple of months of jail time or community service or whatever, and I thought they'd benefit from it, then yes I'd report them.

But, scratch all that, what I am saying is that your unconditional love for them will prevent you from sending them to jail to suffer.

I'm not in the position to say, but I like to think I'd be able to make the hard decision and let my head rule over my heart.

Hell, if my kids were out on a crime spree every night I'd rather they be behind bars than running around the house.

 

[S O F I]

I'm not saying I'd ignore the crimes. I'd administer my own punishment. If they committed a crime that would get them a couple of months of jail time or community service or whatever, and I thought they'd benefit from it, then yes I'd report them.

I agree.

I'm not in the position to say, but I like to think I'd be able to make the hard decision and let my head rule over my heart.

So, then it's a "maybe" and not a "For sure" thing? Good.

Hell, if my kids were out on a crime spree every night I'd rather they be behind bars than running around the house.

Well, how about Grand Theft Auto, a la Gone in 60 seconds?

 

[Chosen_man]

My conclusion.

Bottom line to all this is Violence that is the key word the ideology of rap i.e. gangster rap is to promote violence. To pick up a knife or even a gun in allot of cases. The children of tomorrow (metaphor) are being made to think that violence is ok in our society today. Sure teenagers have been rebelling for years but rock music does not make you pick up a gun in the worst case. An example when’s the last time you heard some one kill somebody or wanted to after listing to Elvis Presley.

The problems around us are nothing compared to wars and natural disasters. The news makes you think the problems around you are nothing. So this subconsously promotes violence. Environments in suburban areas are getting worse due to violence. Kids would rather stab or shoot instead of an old fashion fist fight.

Most kids are blessed to know what’s right from wrong. It’s up to the parents but some parents do a good job. Still there child is terrible because there is too much negativity around them. Violence is everywhere music cartoons movies, media TV show’s etc. Teens are generally confused during adolescence.

Violence is being praised and promoted by gangster rap I mean lets be honest here I’m going to use Mr shakur's music as an example (which by the way tends to give mixed messages). If you listen to a balled of a dead soulja a similar song Tell me how you feel after hearing it? If you feel like you want to kiss some one. Then you belong in a mental institution. Unless it is the kiss of death so I think gangster rap is part of the problem. Of course it is not all to be blamed on like I stated above. But it is not part of the solution.

I for one love listening to 2pacs music because I am smart enough to know. What is good and what is not because of my morals and beliefs. It looks like the future is hopeless and as the saying goes things get worse before they get better. If you are a religious person you would think that this is all part of gods big plain. As stated in Christianity and Islam before the second coming of lord Jesus Christ. Will be the coming of Lucifer’s son the anti Christ. It sounds preposterous almost movie like but if your like me then you know its not.

I see you are all fortunate enough to understand this therefore making the world a better place. Its people like us who prevail and really contribute to making the environment around us better to live in.

My final words on this matter is god help us.

 

[XIAN]

What are your thoughts on this and the way it is portrayed today?

Also what do you think about how today’s children are being raised?


I think the children of tomorrow are all being brainwashed by the media and glamorisation. To be famous and have lots of money is more important to some than life. Kids today grow up with a ''don’t give a fuck'' attitude this can only make the world worse than it is. Today the media is amplifying wars and natural disasters that have been happening for years. This only makes things worse sure you will know what’s happing in this ''fucked'' up world but that only makes the problems around you seem like nothing. This will then give us that ''don’t give a fuck attitude''.

Society today music in general is making young kids think i want to be a hard head i want to have a gun i want etc. The parents are to blame because they do not even know what there child is up to or listening to. Times have changed from their day when it was cool to be a doctor or a dentist and like to classical music and what not.

I would say more but I await your replies.

Welcome to the forum - This is a great topic!

I agree with pretty much all you said. Teenagers grow up, trained by the media (MTV, radio, movies, CNN, Fox) to think in ways that are not positive. The US is more materialistic than ever, and suburban teens are living in a 'fantasy world' where the problems of the earth seem so far away! Parents and their children are closer, however they are not being genuine with each other, which is harming both sides.

For example at my college we have Amnesty International, and they are barely 'above water,' as in it's going to be cut due to a lack of members. My first thought was "what happened?" Where did all the student activists go? During Vietnam, college was the place for resistance, and now there is none. Why?

Because people are less in touch with each other than ever before. This is due to big corporate business (decline of local business), technology (TV and radio mostly), and overall $$$. Guys are "taught" by Abercrombie, Inc. to buy $50 cotton shirts and by MTV and WB to make sure that the number one thing in their life is the relationship that they have with their friends. This can be good, but it is also not good. Alcohol and weed, "the things necessary to have fun" take so much of their time away! Instead of thinking about their lives and the world around them, they would rather go to a party. What about ESPN? Instead of watching the game, maybe it's time we help the poor? Girls are "taught" by MTV and ABercrombie and cosmetic companies to try as hard as they can to look like [insert celebrity here], and make sure to know what goes on in their lives [insert tabloid here] because they are sooo great! Meanwhile, where are mom and dad? Shouldn't they explain to them the lack of practicality in these things, the wasted time, the senseless path? NO! For they are waay too busy bargain hunting at WalMart or trading stocks online! Oh, I think "Lost" is on! Time to watch "Desperate Housewives" and "The OC"!!

The bottom line is that, even though all the countries and the people of the world are connected in trade, the reality of it is that THAT is exactly what prevents us from being REALLY connected. "I buy Nike's because they look cool. Oh whats this on the tag? Made in Thailand?" Do people ever stop and think about what that means? If my parents made $100,000 a year and bought me new Nike's for no reason, what would I (being a typical suburban teen) think about that tag? NOTHING. Why? Because the game's on TV! Maybe my friend has got some weed or beer for tonight? Who gives a fuck about Thailand? It's boooorrrrrring!!
I know people like this, and I know people who really don't care about the REAL things that matter, because they're so caught up with cell phones and TV and all of that (I did not want to use this word) mind control. I know kids who don't know if they believe in god. It's not that they are caught between atheism and deism, but they really don't care! No real hobbies and no real idols. People don't think for themselves anymore. That is so fucking sad.

This is just a theory, but I think it makes sense. However I am hopeful, because there are still people determined to helping these kids, and there are still kids (like me,18 yrs old) who give a shit about this world. Plus I know that many people can be so kind to each other, and I think that's a great thing that we can build on.

If anyone has children now or in the future, or if you come in contact with them on a personal level in some way, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE teach them that there is more to life than what they feed us.

~peace~

 

[True Thugz]

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It really is sad to see how the youth are seen and portrayed these days. Every child is raised differently. Some with good values and others taught with none at all. This unfortunately is life! Respect for others and yourself is a great value to pocess but it is lacking with every new generation that is born. If your from a strong cultural backround or religious one, you would know that your native, ancestoral roots are deep but when you migrate to a different country every generation that is born from then on in, tends to lose a lot of that cultural upbringing. Which revolves around that value of respect. Helping our youth is something that is being helped in small portions, like youth programs with youth workers and councillors, and even Church. But as a whole, our youth today and the youth of tommorrow will continue to struggle with modern times.

With the knowledge of what is good and how to make right. It's imperative that we spread that wisdom to our future adults. Not only to our nieces, nephews, cousins, or our own kids but other youth that we come across in our daily lives. Your friends little brothers and sisters or even kids that we coach in sport. Teach them about life, treating people that way you want to be treated. Care for one another. Have the respect for others. And try to be as good as a role model as you can be.

God bless.