Jihad

[Jurhum]

It is apparent that not all Muslims want to kill people and want to live peacefuly , just like not all white people are racsist killers . Fair enough , so are Non violent muslims trying to stop the killings going on by educating in any way the ( as you say ) uneducated Muslims worldwide that are apparently believing in a true faith - as like you have said
" Islam is perfect " which if this is the case shouldnt they all be peaceful and tolerent like yourself .

The problem is Islam doesn't have a state that represent and implement its teachings. Long time ago, there was a Khilafah (Caliphate) where one man would rule the whole Islamic nation. Now, most Muslim territories are run buy money hungry blood thirsty leaders who’re puppets for the west. They don’t teach the true Islam. In fact, that’s what they want, to leave people in darkness so they can control the riches. It’s them who teach these people that the west is the devil. It’s not Islam.

I would just like to ask having read the sad quote you gave , what is the source ?? not that i am dis-beliveing it , rather interested in its origin .

By Khadija Abdul Qahaar, JUS And Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice
It really doesn't matter whether this letter could be proven correct or not for we have seen concrete evidence of what went on in Abu Ghraib Prison. The pictures that were displayed on our TV's with those Iraqis being raped and abused is inscribed in every mind that seen it. It is impossible to erase it.

Also you mention that Islam condones the killing of ones self but having read Rukas's quotes is quite happy for people to kill others in the name of Islam of those who do not profess the true Faith and of non-believers. Now where is the religious tolerence in those quotes ?

No. Islam doesn't condone on the contrary, it condemns self killing, suicide.

As pointed our by my brother Ken, Rukas purposely omitted the rest of the verses which explain further the situation these verses were reveal for.
It is obvious that Rukas' aim is to distort the image of Islam for unknown reasons. Although, he claims he has nothing against Islam but from his earlier post, it seems that his hate is coming out. It's ok. He can do whatever he wants, but in the end Gods word will prevail.

You also point out that people who kill innocent people are going against Islamic teachings , now having read the quotes below surely they are portraying a different message ?

What quotes? If you mean Rukas' post then Ken has already explained it.

 

[not really ken]

Also you mention that Islam condones the killing of ones self but having read Rukas's quotes is quite happy for people to kill others in the name of Islam of those who do not profess the true Faith and of non-believers. Now where is the religious tolerence in those quotes ?

You also point out that people who kill innocent people are going against Islamic teachings , now having read the quotes below surely they are portraying a different message ?

i dont want you to defend anything Rukas, my post was not directed neccesarily at you or for your benefit. And i'm not making a counter argument rather writing something about the context of those passages.

 

[pacnlawzsouljha]

Rukas u cannot just pick a line
its like puttting words in somebodys mouth
read the lines before and after that line , see on what occasion those lines were revelated , it might have been during the war .. read the history, dont just read the translation ... u need to read the explanation then all of those lines will make sense other wise it just gives a totaaly wrong meaning

ISLAM CONDEMS KILLING , KILLING PEOPLE NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO TAK ETHE LIFE OF ANOTHER MAN , AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS STRONGLY FORBIDDEN

AGAIN U CANNOT POST A LINE ATLEAST POST THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH AND THE CONDITIONS WHEN THE LINES WAS REVEALED

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ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT PEACE BROTHERHOOD AND EQUALITY

 

[Rukas]

^^ IM NOT SAYING IT DOESNT. READ MY SECOND POST.

I never said those lines are correct, or Islam supports killing, I posted them because they are the lines other Muslims go to in their defense and justification of their actions. I just posted them so jamie would see WHY some Muslims can justify their actions.

Sheeeesh.

 

[Baukem]

why can't rukas just pick a line??

hundreds of muslims (and also christians or whatever)
do that every day justifying hitting their wives, going to war or do terrorist (criminal) activities.

rukas just pointed out some of the lines these terrorists use to justify their actions, when in fact they are not true muslims...

maybe the reason why some of u get so upset is either ur too dumb to understand rukas point, or deep inside u do support the terrorists... who's to say?

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

The problem is Islam doesn't have a state that represent and implement its teachings. Long time ago, there was a Khilafah (Caliphate) where one man would rule the whole Islamic nation. Now, most Muslim territories are run buy money hungry blood thirsty leaders who’re puppets for the west. They don’t teach the true Islam. In fact, that’s what they want, to leave people in darkness so they can control the riches. It’s them who teach these people that the west is the devil. It’s not Islam.

OK so we seem to have established that the Muslims that are controling the hatred and killing are not portraying true Islam as peaceul people like yourselves do , so how should these people be stopped especialy in the u.k. where they use the gift of human rights and freedom of speech in the country the wish to destroy as protection for their evil ??

By Khadija Abdul Qahaar, JUS And Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice
It really doesn't matter whether this letter could be proven correct or not for we have seen concrete evidence of what went on in Abu Ghraib Prison. The pictures that were displayed on our TV's with those Iraqis being raped and abused is inscribed in every mind that seen it. It is impossible to erase it.

Now i would never condone what happened their and from what i have seen those guys who did this have been strung out to dry and rightly so but i think the part of them being rapped is media garbage , now had British or American soldiers had been captured i feel they would have more than their dignity taken by embarrasing pictures more so their heads , the pictures of Ken Bigley being be-headed springs to mind , which you can be sure would be the fate of any soldiers captured so now that is inscribed in my mind shall i now go and kill all Muslims ??

 

[Jurhum]

OK so we seem to have established that the Muslims that are controling the hatred and killing are not portraying true Islam as peaceul people like yourselves do , so how should these people be stopped especialy in the u.k. where they use the gift of human rights and freedom of speech in the country the wish to destroy as protection for their evil ??

What ever the state of the UK wants to do with them they can. I couldn't care less. However, to put Islam on trial is what I object to.

Now i would never condone what happened their and from what i have seen those guys who did this have been strung out to dry and rightly so but i think the part of them being rapped is media garbage , now had British or American soldiers had been captured i feel they would have more than their dignity taken by embarrasing pictures more so their heads , the pictures of Ken Bigley being be-headed springs to mind , which you can be sure would be the fate of any soldiers captured so now that is inscribed in my mind shall i now go and kill all Muslims ??

The problem here is the US and British armies are the ones invading Iraq and not the opposite. Your forces are greater in military might than the Iraqies. The total casualties of Iraqi Civilains in this war is so big compared to Ken Bigley's death. I am not saying it's right to kill but one must analyze the whole situation not just part of it.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

What ever the state of the UK wants to do with them they can. I couldn't care less. However, to put Islam on trial is what I object to.

I said sling them out which caused a bit of a stir , but of course that would harm their poor human rights .

The problem here is the US and British armies are the ones invading Iraq and not the opposite. Your forces are greater in military might than the Iraqies. The total casualties of Iraqi Civilains in this war is so big compared to Ken Bigley's death. I am not saying it's right to kill but one must analyze the whole situation not just part of it.

So isnt the poor guys in the prison just as irelevant then as you seem to think Ken Bigley case is after all they didnt die ?? All i see is the Iraq war used as fuel for Muslim preachers of hate to justify killing in the name of their religion and that the greed of the west needs to be stopped am i right ? however look back 15 years when Saddams greed made him invade Kuwait a country with Muslims in i pressume , now was he then hated on at that point ??

 

[Jurhum]

^ Of course. It's the Ameirca's and Britian's fault for invading Iraq. People took advantage of the situation and used it for their own reasons.

 

[nabila]

terrorists act in the way they do due to the fact that they know no other way to gain attention or make a point! sad and disgusting i know!!! i totally disagree but the truth is that they are provoked!
take iraq for an example... soliders came into iraq, millions have and are being killed, when certain angered people see the killing and the dead bodies of people they knew, they can easy become convinced into acts of violence.. and in doing so create a bad rep in islam (and just in case of any misundersatndings im not justifying their actions!)

ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT PEACE BROTHERHOOD AND EQUALITY

this is basically the over all point of islam

Peace!