Islamic Extremist Attacks Home Secutarys Speech

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AN extremist who spat hate at John Reid yesterday was immediately branded the “enemy within” — by fellow Muslims.

Fanatic Abu Izzadeen hijacked a community meeting designed to create UNITY to brand the Home Secretary “an enemy of Islam”.

Izzadeen, 34, began his rant ten minutes into Mr Reid’s East London speech which called for Muslim parents to watch for their children being brainwashed by terrorists.

The convert — an East Londoner formerly called Trevor Brooks — yelled: “How dare you come to a Muslim area when over 1,000 Muslims have been arrested?

“You are an enemy of Islam and Muslims, you are a tyrant. Shame on all of us for sitting down and listening to him.

“Its State terrorism by British police.” He cried .

And the well-known radical — a supporter of hate preacher Omar Bakri — continued his diatribe after being ushered out of the room.

But police refused to arrest him as they moved him outside to join sidekicks holding banners stating: “John Reid go to Hell”.

The group brandished other placards proclaiming their leader as al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

They also urged all Muslims NOT to co-operate with the Government drive to prevent terrorism.

Meanwhile Mr Reid calmly told his audience: “There will always be people who will not be prepared to take part in a dialogue, but who will try to intimidate and shout down. They are not confined to the Muslim community.”

But just after the commotion died down, second protester Anjem Choudary, 39, stood up to rant.

He yelled: “Muslims do not need British values. We believe Islam is superior, we believe Islam will be implemented one day.

“It is very rich for you to come here and say we need to monitor our children when your government is murdering people in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Choudary too was ushered out of the youth centre in Leyton. And Mr Reid continued with his first speech to Muslims since becoming Home Secretary.

Last night the two fanatics’ actions were condemned by moderate Muslims in the London suburb.

They accused Izzadeen of hijacking their religion — and of trying to ambush their attempts to work with police and politicians to prevent terrorism.

Afghan refugee Ayaz Khan, 36, said: “He is evil. People like this have no place in the community.

“When war broke out in my country I came here and the government provided me with food, clothing and a home.

“He is an embarrassment. We should all be able to work together. I condemn all terrorist acts and I would never rejoice in my fellow Muslims joining in with these atrocities.”

Soheyb Abou Khadjah, 28, who runs an Islamic bookshop, said: “He obviously has no idea about his religion.

“What he is trying to do goes against the Koran. It’s oppressive. He wasn’t born a Muslim and he doesn’t understand our faith.

“We wouldn’t mix with people like him. He doesn’t understand the community let alone represent it.”

One female Muslim teacher, who asked not to be named, added: “His comments are racist and offensive.

“As a Muslim you are always taught to take the right path. He is taking the wrong path and trying to lead others to go along with him.

And Sajid Mallam, 45, said: “John Reid has the right to express himself and the right to talk and be heard.

“We respect the Home Secretary as an elected Member of Parliament. It’s a positive thing that he is doing. He is trying his best in a difficult situation.”

In his speech Mr Reid stressed terrorists were waging a “violent and indiscriminate war” — and warned communities needed to be more aware of signs of terrorist activity.

He said: “There is no nice way of saying this. These fanatics are looking to groom and brainwash children, including your children, for one thing. Grooming them to kill themselves in order to murder others.

Mr Reid also goes on to say .....

“Look for the tell-tale signs now and talk to them before their hatred grows and you risk losing them forever.

“In protecting our families we are protecting our community.

“That is why I am asking you to be part of that fight for our common values, for this is the real conflict.”

Mr Reid said terrorists were not Muslims “in the true sense of the word”.

He went on: “They are militants who seek to achieve their aims through the forces of terror and violence.

“They cloak their language in the rhetoric of Islamic teachings, but they behave in ways that contradict the very principles of the Islamic faith.

“They believe the West is evil and that all modern values are corrupting to Muslims — when in fact, it is they who are wicked and ruthless and they who are corrupting young Muslim minds.”

Mr Reid said most of al-Qaeda’s victims were in fact Muslim — and his reason for speaking out was because this message was not getting across.

Izzadeen is so reviled by his neighbours in Leyton they are petitioning to have him kicked out of his two-bedroom council house, it was revealed last night.

They say they fear for their safety while the zealot is in their midst. And they are furious the Government has so far failed to take any action against him for a series of outrageous comments.

Many say Izzadeen has made their lives a misery by bullying them with his extremist ideas — and even preaching hate-filled messages on the street which is filled with young families.

One furious mother, too scared to be named, told how Izzadeen plastered the street with stickers reading, “Christians should be hung” and, “All white women are white trash”. She alleged he also told passers-by that non-Muslims should be killed.


Cafe owner Josie Brown, who is among those campaigning for him to be kicked out of their street, said: “He is a disgrace.

“What he has been saying about loving bombers and killing Tony Blair is disgusting.

“I don’t see why we should have to live with it. Especially with all the children who live on this street and a primary school on the road as well. We have spoken to the council and have a petition.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said he had asked for a report on the heckling of Mr Reid.

But he said it appeared no crime had been committed.

He added: “We are in a country that celebrates free speech.

“I have seen the incident and I think it’s not at all pleasant but at the moment no law has been broken by that protester.”
I copyed and pasted this article from a newspaper today . I was very angry with what this Abu Izzadeen character had to say and was especialy pissed of with the - How dare you come into a muslim area quote , Then another preacher follows up with the - We dont need the Engish way of life and Islam is superior rubbish .

Making me ask which country do you live in Trevor ? ( His name before he converted - no wonder he changed it !! )

Again the police did nothing which wound me up even more , I assure you if I or anyone else spat such hate towards the Muslim community we would be locked up - No question .

I will say however i was realy impressed with the decent Muslims who came out and condemned this idiot and wanted to distance themselves from this terrorist talk , Hey Teck you were right :)

I have had many an argument on this board with Muslims and will openly admit i know nothing of their religion , but when things like this happen can you understand why there is a lot of unrest and anger towards the Muslim community at this point in time , especialy as the very Large majority of decent people in the u.k. want nothing more than to go about there daily lives and get along with people whatever their religion .
 

*Riaz*

New Member
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Dam Right This Shit Is Gettin Outta Hand Homie,
Im A Muslim Myself But Not A Religous One,
Im Tatood All Over Which Is Forbidden In Islam But Il Still Support My Religion No Matter What...
What People Need To Understand Is ThEres ALL types Of Nationality In Muslims - E.g WHITE,BLACK,ASIAN,INDIAN EVERY Race U Can Think Of & What My Point Is That Some Of These Nationalitys Follow Their Religion Differently........Now Fuck Knows Why That Is,Some Take It So Serious That They Blow Themselves Up & Some Just Dont Giv A Fuck !!

This Muslim Issue Is Like The New Jewish Bullshit From Back In The Day EXACTLY THE SAME IMO....

I Say The Western World Shud Stop Bitchin Like A Bunch Skool Girls & Gather All Uz Muslims Up & Send Us Back Where We Originally Come From IF THEY CAN!!

This Whole Shit Started Since 9/11......
It Was All Planned By The US Government......They Knew By Puttin Those Towers Down & bLAIMIN iT oN mUSLIMS Wud Escalate To This Now (Hate Muslims) & Its Happenin & There Ain Nuttin Muslims Can Do.....Its A Shame Really.....

It Aint Right For People To Think EVERY Muslim Is A Terrorist,Thatz Jus Wrong,It Aint Right !! When U Say That Its Jus Lack Of Education & Knoledge - Thats Like Sayin If A Few Christians Wher Pedo's Itz Right For Us Muslims To Think Every Single Christian Is A Pedo, Na Mean? This Sum Bullshit Homie & Im Sorry If This Aint Nuttin To Do Wit Ur Thread But I Jus Had To Get This Shit Off Ma Chest.......Pz
 
#4
^^
I'm not sure I follow...
I Say The Western World Shud Stop Bitchin Like A Bunch Skool Girls & Gather All Uz Muslims Up & Send Us Back Where We Originally Come From IF THEY CAN!!
That is a good idea. But where is that? Do you mean Saudi Arabia?
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
#6
*Riaz* said:
This Whole Shit Started Since 9/11......
It Was All Planned By The US Government......They Knew By Puttin Those Towers Down & bLAIMIN iT oN mUSLIMS Wud Escalate To This Now (Hate Muslims) & Its Happenin & There Ain Nuttin Muslims Can Do.....Its A Shame Really.....
let's all give a round of applause for the idiot of the day

seriouslly do some real research into 9/11 and not the conspiracy loose change/alex jones bullshit pseudo "facts". you might actually learn something.
 
#8
*Riaz* said:
Dam Right This Shit Is Gettin Outta Hand Homie,
Im A Muslim Myself But Not A Religous One,
Im Tatood All Over Which Is Forbidden In Islam But Il Still Support My Religion No Matter What...
What People Need To Understand Is ThEres ALL types Of Nationality In Muslims - E.g WHITE,BLACK,ASIAN,INDIAN EVERY Race U Can Think Of & What My Point Is That Some Of These Nationalitys Follow Their Religion Differently........Now Fuck Knows Why That Is,Some Take It So Serious That They Blow Themselves Up & Some Just Dont Giv A Fuck !!

This Muslim Issue Is Like The New Jewish Bullshit From Back In The Day EXACTLY THE SAME IMO....

I Say The Western World Shud Stop Bitchin Like A Bunch Skool Girls & Gather All Uz Muslims Up & Send Us Back Where We Originally Come From IF THEY CAN!!

This Whole Shit Started Since 9/11......
It Was All Planned By The US Government......They Knew By Puttin Those Towers Down & bLAIMIN iT oN mUSLIMS Wud Escalate To This Now (Hate Muslims) & Its Happenin & There Ain Nuttin Muslims Can Do.....Its A Shame Really.....

It Aint Right For People To Think EVERY Muslim Is A Terrorist,Thatz Jus Wrong,It Aint Right !! When U Say That Its Jus Lack Of Education & Knoledge - Thats Like Sayin If A Few Christians Wher Pedo's Itz Right For Us Muslims To Think Every Single Christian Is A Pedo, Na Mean? This Sum Bullshit Homie & Im Sorry If This Aint Nuttin To Do Wit Ur Thread But I Jus Had To Get This Shit Off Ma Chest.......Pz
Nobody knows what you're talking about, because you type like an idiot. If you have a point to make, try to be intelligible.
 
#10
*Riaz* said:
Sheet I Better Jus Stick To My Mixing Then I Guess....lol

English Is My Third Language Homie....So I Think Im Ok!
If you'd typed in broken English I wouldn't have minded, but you TyPeD LyK DiZ which is just annoying.
 
#11
My Bad Man, All You Had To Do Was Tell Me In The Right Manner Rather Than Calling Me N Idiot?? That Aint Or Should I Say 'Isnt' Right But Hey Its Kool.....Im Out!!
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
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*Riaz* said:
My Bad Man, All You Had To Do Was Tell Me In The Right Manner Rather Than Calling Me N Idiot?? That Aint Or Should I Say 'Isnt' Right But Hey Its Kool.....Im Out!!
no he was 110% right...you are an idiot
 

Jurhum

Well-Known Member
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Actually, puffy, he's no idiot more than you are. Calling, him an idiot because his has an opinion on matters doesn't constitute idiocy. He may have based his opinion on false information that was brought to him. But it doesn't necessarily make him an idiot.

Illumi, should've not called him an idiot. He should act like an admin/super mod since he's one.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
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Jurhum said:
Actually, puffy, he's no idiot more than you are. Calling, him an idiot because his has an opinion on matters doesn't constitute idiocy. He may have based his opinion on false information that was brought to him. But it doesn't necessarily make him an idiot.

Illumi, should've not called him an idiot. He should act like an admin/super mod since he's one.
basing your opinion on false info does make you an idiot and ignorant.

you also just called me an idiot right there so you are in the same boat that you just placed him and myself in. :)
 

PuffnScruff

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Shahin said:
I guess anyone who thought Iraq had WMD is an ignorant idiot then.
that statement is ignorant. there has been lots of evidence to suggest that he did, that always gets overlooked by the media and public. take the sadaam tapes for examples. in those audio tapes sadaam brags about having weapons in 98 when clinton ordered planes to hit tarkets in iraq and he brags about trying to develop more weapons in recordings from 00.
 

Shahin

Active Member
#17
PuffnScruff said:
that statement is ignorant. there has been lots of evidence to suggest that he did, that always gets overlooked by the media and public. take the sadaam tapes for examples. in those audio tapes sadaam brags about having weapons in 98 when clinton ordered planes to hit tarkets in iraq and he brags about trying to develop more weapons in recordings from 00.
Well let's put it like this then: Is there any substantial proof that he had WMD and intentions of attacking the US? If he did then it's something I've never heard of and I'm genuinely curious to see some proof (no irony), if there is none then my statement still stands. As far as I'm aware there has been only remnants of earlier weapons programs found, but nothing extraordinary or particularly threatening.
 

PuffnScruff

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there is no smoking gun but like i said there is lots of evidence. including various sources claiming he moved weapons out of the country into syria (a claim the bush adminstration has never made) with the help of syria and russia just weeks before the invasion. which makes sense if you look at the weeks before the invasion iraq and russia made a 5 billion dollar deal, russian jets have been found and unearthed from the being hidden in the sand.

there is no proof he had them but there is no proof he didnt have them.

some of the weapons that have been found do prove one thing though, he was a huge liar

as far as wanting to attack the u.s. yes. he says so in his own words in the sadaam tapes. he made claims that the u.s. will be attacked soon, at this time that tape was dated around 99-00 i believe, and talks about wanting to give money to third parties that would be willing to carry out attacks on the u.s. and u.s. interest. again these are his own words. only some 50-60 hours of 500 hours of records have been released so far.
 

Shahin

Active Member
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PuffnScruff said:
there is no smoking gun but like i said there is lots of evidence. including various sources claiming he moved weapons out of the country into syria (a claim the bush adminstration has never made) with the help of syria and russia just weeks before the invasion. which makes sense if you look at the weeks before the invasion iraq and russia made a 5 billion dollar deal, russian jets have been found and unearthed from the being hidden in the sand.
With U.N weapons inspectors in Iraq for months up until the very day war was declared, don't you think moving large amounts of weaponry would be a bit risky (remember there were supposed to be "stockpiles" of WMD's in Iraq?)? There's probably a very good reason the US goverment isn't claiming this, it sounds a bit far-fetched.

PuffnScruff said:
there is no proof he had them but there is no proof he didnt have them.
But the burden of proof is on the ones making the claim.

PuffnScruff said:
some of the weapons that have been found do prove one thing though, he was a huge liar
I'm not disputing that, but for a nation to get involved in such a drawn out war is this one I definitely think, and I think most americans would agree with me, that there needs to be verified and if not undisputable then at least very strong evidence against the nation that war is waged against is indeed a threat. Speculation doesn't quite cut it IMO.
PuffnScruff said:
as far as wanting to attack the u.s. yes. he says so in his own words in the sadaam tapes. he made claims that the u.s. will be attacked soon, at this time that tape was dated around 99-00 i believe, and talks about wanting to give money to third parties that would be willing to carry out attacks on the u.s. and u.s. interest. again these are his own words. only some 50-60 hours of 500 hours of records have been released so far.
Never heard of this, did some quick googling and all I got was this:


"One of the most dramatic moments in the 12 hours of recordings comes when Saddam predicts — during a meeting in the mid-1990s — a terrorist attack on the United States. "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before Aug. 2 and told the British as well … that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction." Saddam goes on to say such attacks would be difficult to stop. "In the future, what would prevent a booby-trapped car causing a nuclear explosion in Washington or a germ or a chemical one?" But he adds that Iraq would never do such a thing. "This is coming, this story is coming but not from Iraq."
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

The article is a bit dated though (February 15) so if you have a link to newer information I'd really appreciate it if you PM'd it to me.

We're goin a bit off-topic though so I won't speak on this anymore. FYI I wasn't trying to claim that the people who believed the WMD stories are ignorant idiots, just giving an example of what your line of logic implies. You said yourself there is no proof of WMD so unless some show up the rational postion to take would be assuming there were none, and by your logic making the people who believed so ignorant idiots.
 

dee

New Member
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puffnscruff ur a jackass.. u set urself up so hard wit that "neone who makes decisions based on false info is an idiot" comment cuz bush admin is obvioslly guilty of that in iraq..there are various sources?...wut sources...there'z also various sources that ur a bitch..an since there'z no proof that u are a bitch but ther'z no evidence ur not i guess ur a bitch...ur country men an women r dyin cuz ur gov't lied to you...yet instead of bein choked u stick up for the heartless bastards...only in america
 

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