Iranian President

[bacho2]

I can't be bothered to argue with the first part of your post

That's because you have no argument to defend your claim.

lol @ gey gene.

Mocking my English is no excuse.

It comes down to the question of norms. What is deviant to one, maybe a normal behavior to another. This is unfortunate though. Its not as simple as you put it "who are we to judge what others do." Then lets just sit back and have the chaos unfold in the society if we don't regulate norms.

If you say to somebody (who is practicing homosexuality) don't judge him, he can do whatever he wants with his life. Then, why do you judge and furthermore imprison someone who commits a crime? Isn't he who commits a crime also doing whatever he wants with his life? So why do you punish him then? Oh, its because its different right, its because he steals and kills people and we view that in our norms as something unacceptable and out of ordinary, But we view homosexuality in the same token something that is acceptable.

 

[Preach]

Really? The "gay-gene" doesnt exist. To date, no researcher has claimed that genes can determine sexual orientation. You must live in the future

you are partially wrong. there were several studies where researchers claimed homosexuality was genetical. these studies were later debunked, but i even remember it being on the front page of news papers. a lot of people still believe it to be true.

edit:
Science vs. the "Gay Gene"
The Gay Gene?
About Gender - The "Gay" Gene
Amazon.com: Science of Desire: The Gay Gene and the Biology of Behavior: Dean Hamer: Books

Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this should show there has been an actual on-going debate about this. i'm not sure if it all started as a theory, but researchers have at least talked about it.

 

[Preach]

It comes down to the question of norms. What is deviant to one, maybe a normal behavior to another. This is unfortunate though. Its not as simple as you put it "who are we to judge what others do." Then lets just sit back and have the chaos unfold in the society if we don't regulate norms.

If you say to somebody (who is practicing homosexuality) don't judge him, he can do whatever he wants with his life. Then, why do you judge and furthermore imprison someone who commits a crime? Isn't he who commits a crime also doing whatever he wants with his life? So why do you punish him then? Oh, its because its different right, its because he steals and kills people and we view that in our norms as something unacceptable and out of ordinary, But we view homosexuality in the same token something that is acceptable.

i see your argument, but i still disagree when it comes to homosexuality. they key difference is that as a homosexual, you don't pose a threat to other people's life style. you don't take anything from anybody. you're pretty weak if you become a homosexual just because other people are homosexual, so that's not even an issue. homosexuals don't convert more people to becoming homosexual. when you kill or steal, you directly offend other people's rights. you take something that they value. how can you say a homosexual fucks with your values in life in any way other than annoying your principals? if you let it affect you, then you have a problem, not the homosexual.

i'm not saying every law is good or right. there are many questionable aspects of the different laws around the world, but stealing and killing is something that is generally not accepted because it directly ruins something for someone else. homosexuality doesn't concern anyone but a potential homosexual. it's like celibacy. it doesn't give you less quality of life if someone chooses celibacy.

 

[Cooper]

I looked at the thread title and thought...'Bacho? Intelligent polictical debate?' Then I entered it and laughed.

 

[Tha_Wood]

I looked at the thread title and thought...'Bacho? Intelligent polictical debate?' Then I entered it and laughed.

cooper your a very underrated member. it upsets me.

 

[bacho2]

i see your argument, but i still disagree when it comes to homosexuality. they key difference is that as a homosexual, you don't pose a threat to other people's life style. you don't take anything from anybody. you're pretty weak if you become a homosexual just because other people are homosexual, so that's not even an issue. homosexuals don't convert more people to becoming homosexual. when you kill or steal, you directly offend other people's rights. you take something that they value. how can you say a homosexual fucks with your values in life in any way other than annoying your principals? if you let it affect you, then you have a problem, not the homosexual.

i'm not saying every law is good or right. there are many questionable aspects of the different laws around the world, but stealing and killing is something that is generally not accepted because it directly ruins something for someone else. homosexuality doesn't concern anyone but a potential homosexual. it's like celibacy. it doesn't give you less quality of life if someone chooses celibacy.

Yes you do. Its not as simple as to just say 'don't associate with them and you'll be fine.' No, they are like a cancer. They spread out quickly. There was a former New Jersey governor who was homosexual. How is that a threat to me? Because if I'm a NJ resident and I have this guy regulating laws and whatnot in NJ, I'd be afraid because I know he is for homosexuality and could impose laws that would favor and encourage homosexuality. He can say 'yes' to homosexuality and next thing I know those who were hiding in closet too scared to say they were gay, they'll come out like little roaches in my neighborhood. How does this affect me? Well, if I have kids playing in my neighborhood, they can easily be influenced by what homosexuals do and such. And next thing I know one day my son will come in with a tight shirt above belly button saying he wants to suck on a lollipop.

So they are affecting the community. Maybe not necessarily directly, but they still affect people around them. Shit, I have a few homosexuals sitting in my class and I have to keep up with their snapping fingers and girlish talk everyday.

Homosexuals don't convert people to become one of theirs like people who convert to different religion groups, no not in that way. But they "encourage" and have influence people.

Look at it this way, if there were no homosexuals, there would probably be no way someone would want to become one because nobody would know what homosexuality is. But since they exist, and even though you say to just ignore them, they affect people who aren't homosexuals to think 'oh so what theres nothing wrong with that' and next thing you know they've become one of them. Yes I've heard stories like this. People who say Im not gay but I have gay friends most likely, in most cases they'll become gay themselves over time. Its different to have long time friend and suddenly for him to come out and reveal that he is gay. In that case, you cant really do much cause you've already have the 'relationship' with that person. But those who say I have gay friends are the ones that go out and make gay friends and these kind of people usually end up being gay themselves one way or another.

 

[bacho2]

I looked at the thread title and thought...'Bacho? Intelligent polictical debate?' Then I entered it and laughed.

Dude you almost chocked spelling political right. How do you knock my intelligence? You're British so you don't have an excuse like me.

 

[Cooper]

Dude you almost chocked spelling political right. How do you knock my intelligence? You're British so you don't have an excuse like me.

You're a fucking retard.

 

[bacho2]

lol caught you off guard?

 

[Cooper]

Not exactly. I made a typo...I'll get over it. It may surprise you that I do actually know how to spell! I form an opinion of people on here from what I read, which in your case means that I don't exactly view you as the most intelligent of members.

 

[Preach]

Yes you do. Its not as simple as to just say 'don't associate with them and you'll be fine.' No, they are like a cancer. They spread out quickly. There was a former New Jersey governor who was homosexual. How is that a threat to me? Because if I'm a NJ resident and I have this guy regulating laws and whatnot in NJ, I'd be afraid because I know he is for homosexuality and could impose laws that would favor and encourage homosexuality. He can say 'yes' to homosexuality and next thing I know those who were hiding in closet too scared to say they were gay, they'll come out like little roaches in my neighborhood. How does this affect me? Well, if I have kids playing in my neighborhood, they can easily be influenced by what homosexuals do and such. And next thing I know one day my son will come in with a tight shirt above belly button saying he wants to suck on a lollipop.

So they are affecting the community. Maybe not necessarily directly, but they still affect people around them. Shit, I have a few homosexuals sitting in my class and I have to keep up with their snapping fingers and girlish talk everyday.

Homosexuals don't convert people to become one of theirs like people who convert to different religion groups, no not in that way. But they "encourage" and have influence people.

in this argument, what role does the parent (in your example that would be you) play? outside influence would never be greater than domestic influence in a safe and "healthy" home. again, i see the dots you are connecting, but your argument is very one-sided. that said, i mean that those finger-snapping fags are ridiculous. being homosexual doesn't warrant turning into a girly guy. they are playing into a stereotype, but so are wiggers. so are pretentious nerds basically, whether homosexuals existed or not - or more specifically, if it was socially encouraged or banned by law - wouldn't mean your child doesn't turn into some type of moron. okay, so there's no such thing as homosexuality. he could still become a wigger or a nerd. or anything else that you might have a problem with. i just want to point back to what i said, that if the parents act as good role models, the child will have a higher likelihood of growing up to be what you would consider "good".

Look at it this way, if there were no homosexuals, there would probably be no way someone would want to become one because nobody would know what homosexuality is. But since they exist, and even though you say to just ignore them, they affect people who aren't homosexuals to think 'oh so what theres nothing wrong with that' and next thing you know they've become one of them. Yes I've heard stories like this. People who say Im not gay but I have gay friends most likely, in most cases they'll become gay themselves over time. Its different to have long time friend and suddenly for him to come out and reveal that he is gay. In that case, you cant really do much cause you've already have the 'relationship' with that person. But those who say I have gay friends are the ones that go out and make gay friends and these kind of people usually end up being gay themselves one way or another.

the first part of this paragraph is factually wrong. let me ask you, why do we have this phenomenon called "homosexuality"? did it just suddenly hit earth like a comet out of the blue? the natural progression would be that such desires existed for a long time before anyone dared talk about it. have you seen the movie "alexander the great" or heard the phrase "the greeks invented anal sex"? we are talking more than half a millenium back in time and we still had homosexuals.

furtherer, if you watch animal shows, a lot of animals practice homosexual sex. giraffes come to mind, but not least monkeys. bonobos and chimps, our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, all practice homosexual sex. they are a very sexually driven race where after a dispute they'll make up by having sex. homosexuality is not an unnatural disease, it's a natural fascet of mammal life. the fact of the matter is that we have human rights, and banning homosexuality is a breach of those rights. when two homosexual people copulate, they both know what they are doing and they are both willing. there is no taking advantage or anything similar involved. it's two people making a decision that doesn't concern or affect anyone. denying them that right would be a breach of human rights.

 

[Da_Funk]

That's because you have no argument to defend your claim.

lol @ gey gene.

Mocking my English is no excuse.

It comes down to the question of norms. What is deviant to one, maybe a normal behavior to another. This is unfortunate though. Its not as simple as you put it "who are we to judge what others do." Then lets just sit back and have the chaos unfold in the society if we don't regulate norms.

If you say to somebody (who is practicing homosexuality) don't judge him, he can do whatever he wants with his life. Then, why do you judge and furthermore imprison someone who commits a crime? Isn't he who commits a crime also doing whatever he wants with his life? So why do you punish him then? Oh, its because its different right, its because he steals and kills people and we view that in our norms as something unacceptable and out of ordinary, But we view homosexuality in the same token something that is acceptable.

rofl.

like I said, I'm glad your back.

 

[bacho2]

in this argument, what role does the parent (in your example that would be you) play? outside influence would never be greater than domestic influence in a safe and "healthy" home.

Are you kidding me saying that outside influence does not affect a person? Regardless how good the domestic influence is on the child, he or she still has the outside world that he/she has to deal with on daily basis. Oh you think peer pressure only occurs to people who are low in the society or have no hope of future or people who come from "bad" background of family? Get out of here. It happens to everybody, rich or poor, high class or low class individual.

Yes you are mostly influenced by your parents. You value and judge things based on the standards that your parents set up for you. But, you are also influenced by what is going on outside of that circle.

whether homosexuals existed or not - or more specifically, if it was socially encouraged or banned by law - wouldn't mean your child doesn't turn into some type of moron.

A person turning into a moron because he is a homosexual is different from a person turning into a moron because he has mental disabilities, or because he makes things complicated for others when he tries to look too intelligent (wink wink right back at you).

the first part of this paragraph is factually wrong. let me ask you, why do we have this phenomenon called "homosexuality"? did it just suddenly hit earth like a comet out of the blue? the natural progression would be that such desires existed for a long time before anyone dared talk about it. have you seen the movie "alexander the great" or heard the phrase "the greeks invented anal sex"? we are talking more than half a millenium back in time and we still had homosexuals.

So Greeks invented it, and Americans made it better or popular.

Just like some Americans like to say about tongue. Yes, British invented it, but we made it better.

furtherer, if you watch animal shows, a lot of animals practice homosexual sex. giraffes come to mind, but not least monkeys. bonobos and chimps, our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, all practice homosexual sex. they are a very sexually driven race where after a dispute they'll make up by having sex. homosexuality is not an unnatural disease, it's a natural fascet of mammal life. the fact of the matter is that we have human rights, and banning homosexuality is a breach of those rights. when two homosexual people copulate, they both know what they are doing and they are both willing. there is no taking advantage or anything similar involved. it's two people making a decision that doesn't concern or affect anyone. denying them that right would be a breach of human rights.

Yes I know that. You know what else? Some animals eat other animals shit. Yeah, that’s right. Some animals do poop and then other animal comes along and eats it (sorry, I have to disappoint you as I don’t know which animals does which part). So, are you suggesting that we should also eat shit since animals eat shit and we are also animals? Oh that’s right. That would be considered unacceptable in our standards so we can’t eat shit. But a man fucking another man in butt is considered acceptable (don’t know how that’s possible but you getting where im going). They don’t break any law, let them have their way right?

Pathetic.

 

[Preach]

Are you kidding me saying that outside influence does not affect a person? Regardless how good the domestic influence is on the child, he or she still has the outside world that he/she has to deal with on daily basis. Oh you think peer pressure only occurs to people who are low in the society or have no hope of future or people who come from "bad" background of family? Get out of here. It happens to everybody, rich or poor, high class or low class individual.

Yes you are mostly influenced by your parents. You value and judge things based on the standards that your parents set up for you. But, you are also influenced by what is going on outside of that circle.

Becoming a homosexual is a LOT more complex than just outside influence or watching fags on television or in the streets. It's a development that starts in early childhood.

A person turning into a moron because he is a homosexual is different from a person turning into a moron because he has mental disabilities, or because he makes things complicated for others when he tries to look too intelligent (wink wink right back at you).

Of course it's different. My point isn't to explain the different types of assholes your child could grow up to be. My point is, if you're an asshole, your kid will turn into an asshole. You're both a fag and an asshole so do the maths, your kid will be taking cocks up the pooper on the daily.

What if your child hates you because you're denying him self-realization? What if he starts taking cocks up the pooper to spite you?

So Greeks invented it, and Americans made it better or popular.

Just like some Americans like to say about tongue. Yes, British invented it, but we made it better.

This is not an answer. I didn't point it out because I just wanted you to know. You seem to think homosexuality is something new that came out of the blue, when obviously, it's been an underlying desire in some people's minds for several hundred years. As far as we know. Who's to say it hasn't been around since the birth of mankind. There are no scriptures that go back that far, but that doesn't mean anything.

Yes I know that. You know what else? Some animals eat other animals shit. Yeah, that’s right. Some animals do poop and then other animal comes along and eats it (sorry, I have to disappoint you as I don’t know which animals does which part). So, are you suggesting that we should also eat shit since animals eat shit and we are also animals? Oh that’s right. That would be considered unacceptable in our standards so we can’t eat shit. But a man fucking another man in butt is considered acceptable (don’t know how that’s possible but you getting where im going). They don’t break any law, let them have their way right?

Pathetic.

You silly silly goose. This is why I write long posts. Because there's always someone who misunderstand. Listen, dipshit, I'll lay it out for you in true Preach fashion. You connect a lot of dots based on no information what so ever, beyond your own opinions. Your posts about homosexuality show this. Everybody disagrees with you in this thread, so take it for what it's worth.

My point isn't that we start eating poo. Rather, it's that homosexuality has been around for a long time, and it wasn't invented by the devil. It didn't come out of the blue. It came from human minds. And the fact that ten-twenty years ago no one hardly spoke out about being homosexual, yet there were homosexuals all around. Well you do the math. Chimps and bonobos do it all the time, and they are most closely related to us genetically. I'm not proposing we start eating shit, I'm proposing it's natural human behavior. Like, if you released enough little babies into the wild and let them grow up without human influence, you would get a few fags, definitely. Either way, you never give in to your beliefs because you are a robot, but humor me by explaining how you think homosexuality first came into existance.

 

[bacho2]

Becoming a homosexual is a LOT more complex than just outside influence or watching fags on television or in the streets. It's a development that starts in early childhood.

Not all the time. Homosexuality could develop at almost during any stage of a persons life.

Of course it's different. My point isn't to explain the different types of assholes your child could grow up to be. My point is, if you're an asshole, your kid will turn into an asshole. You're both a fag and an asshole so do the maths, your kid will be taking cocks up the pooper on the daily.

Not necessarily. Yea genes pass from one generation to another but not everything could be transformed. So If you were born douchebag and grow up to be the biggest douchebag in the family, it doesn't always mean that your child will also grow up to be a douchebag like you.

Furthermore, I don't believe people are born gay. Thats a really ridiculous theory.

This is not an answer. I didn't point it out because I just wanted you to know. You seem to think homosexuality is something new that came out of the blue, when obviously, it's been an underlying desire in some people's minds for several hundred years. As far as we know. Who's to say it hasn't been around since the birth of mankind. There are no scriptures that go back that far, but that doesn't mean anything.

Yes I got it, asshat. Like I said, it existed long time ago but the society that "popularized" to the extreme is U.S. Why do you think during the ancient times that existed in Greece for instance, people didn't come out so openly and honestly to reveal about their homosexuality. Because it was perhaps not acceptable and people felt a shamed.

You silly silly goose. This is why I write long posts. Because there's always someone who misunderstand. Listen, dipshit, I'll lay it out for you in true Preach fashion. You connect a lot of dots based on no information what so ever, beyond your own opinions. Your posts about homosexuality show this. Everybody disagrees with you in this thread, so take it for what it's worth.

My point isn't that we start eating poo. Rather, it's that homosexuality has been around for a long time, and it wasn't invented by the devil. It didn't come out of the blue. It came from human minds. And the fact that ten-twenty years ago no one hardly spoke out about being homosexual, yet there were homosexuals all around. Well you do the math. Chimps and bonobos do it all the time, and they are most closely related to us genetically. I'm not proposing we start eating shit, I'm proposing it's natural human behavior. Like, if you released enough little babies into the wild and let them grow up without human influence, you would get a few fags, definitely. Either way, you never give in to your beliefs because you are a robot, but humor me by explaining how you think homosexuality first came into existance.

Yes I get it, that it existed and its something that has been around for years, you boner. Its also natural human behavior for a person to fart or take a poop. Does that mean he should fart and take a poop at any given occasion like in the press conference or something.

Get this, just because its "natural behavior' doesn't mean we should do everything that comes as natural to us. Not everything. This is where freedom gets wrong. People use freedom to much to their advantage. Oh I have freedom to say and do whatever the fuck I want so I'll do whatever the fuck I want. There should be limitations.

 

[Preach]

homosexuals don't have sex in front of you. they do it in their homes behind closed doors. you have a problem with a stereotype that i also have a problem with, but you also seem to have a problem with their right to free will. i'm not saying we should do everything that comes natural to us. i do believe people shouldn't have to cloak harmless desires and live unhappily though. so like i said, if people being homosexual lessens your quality of life you have a mental problem. if you don't give a fuck, you shouldn't worry so much about it. what can be said is that for a homosexual to be forced to be heterosexual would seriously lessen their quality of life.

and lol. homosexuality is not "popularized." formally, most open-minded, good people agree that homosexuals should be able to practice their lifestyle. but most people use the word "fag" as a demeaning word. generally, people are wary of homosexuals. they are just able to accept them. you got it wrong.

 

[Da_Funk]

Preach, never argue with an idiot. They take you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[Preach]

i guess you're right.

bacho, you're a fucking moron. go and make yourself die.

 

[bacho2]

I'm also practicing my free will by farting at the meetings or in public. Why should anybody deny me? I'm not breaking a law. All I'm doing is practicing my "free will" (lol at that). Oh...its too extreme and people will not be comfortable with the idea and they'll look at me funny. But, why? how is that different from what homosexuals are doing when they practice butt fucking?

They're doing in closed doors or not, it is apparent and visible their manners to the people outside.

Your views on this is so sad you don't even know. You call yourself open-minded and good person (lol) because you see the "bigger picture" than me, but what you really are doing is as you said, lessening the quality of life. Yes, you are showing no dignity to mankind. While this sounds all preachy, its sad how you view things.

I, my douchebag board mate, have "opened' my mind and seen through it and have realized this shit is pathetic. People are paying attention to much to "free will" idea. Instead of looking at it from the logical point of view.

You're contradictory fag as it was the case in other thread about long posts. You consider homosexuality to be practice of free will, yet at the same token you don't consider farting in public or any other extreme behavior that does not break a law unacceptable.

 

[bacho2]

Preach, never argue with an idiot. They take you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Quit being a punk perpetrator glimpsing into the conversations in chance of poking something.