Technology iPhone 4

ill-matic

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#2
i dont know what the big deal is with this phone. all the shit thats been hyped up is all old technology. 5 megapixel camera? old. front facing camera?old. multitasking? old.

have i missed anything?
 

masta247

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Staff member
#3
^there's no real multitasking there. It still can handle only a single process running in the foreground (except of things like the music player etc.). What it does that they call "multitasking" is freezing an app to unfreeze another one. And only some apps support it and a lot of them crash while doing that.

@Carmi - there's actually a huge Android thread out there lol. I seriously suggest you check out Android. It's the better system.
And yes, antenna problems are confirmed to be real deal. There's a free case program going on but I've heard that even holding your phone in a case results in a signal loss. It doesn't drop as many calls while in a case though:
German Stiftung Warentest: iPhone 4 is the real signal loser - GSMArena.com news

The popular German foundation Stiftung Warentest, which is the regional authority on consumer product testing accommodated the recently unveiled Apple iPhone 4 in its lab and tested its notorious antenna performance. And no-one will be surprised to hear that the iPhone 4 failed to impress the guys who tested it.

According to the Stiftung Warentest, only a touch of a finger over the antenna gap in the bottom left corner is enough for the iPhone 4 to lose up to 90 percent of the signal. And, depending on the strength of thе network signal, that can easily lead to dropped calls. As for web browsing, Internet connection gets "painfully" slow when you position your hand over the soft spot.



The foundation repeated the test using two other smartphones (those remain undisclosed, though) and this time the signal went down by only 25 percent. So, even if those two were affected by signal reception issues, their reception was still good enough to prevent dropped calls.

So, as it turns out, Apple is right: other devices lose signal as well. But what about the dropped calls? Nope, the Antennagate saga ain't over yet.
 

THEV1LL4N

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#6
when iphone 5 or 6 comes out people will not be as crazy about those because there will be more android phones like the galaxy s now, but of course more advanced. running android 3.0+ 2.2GHz dual core chips, maybe 8-10MP cameras, better screens etc...
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#8
I was an iphone fan. Albeit only after jailbreaking. A standard iphone is far too restrictive. After reading the android thread, and on Casey's advice I got a samsung galaxy S. It has a couple of things I dislike, but overall..... Android is my new favourite phone OS. And the galaxy is a better phone than the iphone4.
 
#9
I have an iPhone 4. No issues with receptions infact when I held it in the supposed "death grip" it went up 1 bar lol. And I also have a free case from Apple on the way.

If your considering it Id deffinately recommend it. Very quick, screen is the best Ive seen on a smartphone. Facetimes cool it will be even better when they allow video calls over 3G.

Deffinately still the best smartphone running the best OS. (despite what you will read on this forum with Android nerds)

I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone,' but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform. There's no real reason to choose Android unless your restricted by carrier choice which is only now really the US.
 

Cooper

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#10
^ Samsung Galaxy screen is far better. The iPhone 4's screen is a massive improvement over previous models tho.

And Facetime? I don't see the hype, I could do video calling on my Diamond over 2 years ago...
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#12
how efficient is the new iphone 4 screen. yes it has more pixels on the surface area and is 'sharper' and 'more crisp' in detail - but all that drains the battery more than its predecessor. unlike the galaxy s which also has a vibrant screen, if you read up on super amoled screens where the voltage from the battery is recycled to consume less energy - its a whole lot more efficient, and is aesthetically superior since the screen is thinner, cheaper to make and looks more vibrant - a major benefit over LCD screens like the iphone 4's is that screen brightness and detail does not suffer when viewed in different conditions and at different angles.

all that is just the difference between the screens. if you want me and other people to start mentioning the difference in multi-tasking and true multi-tasking (which the iphone does not have as it freezes the background apps until brought to the front again), also price range, security flaws, CPUs, GPUs etc etc then you're in for a losing battle in yet another debate.
 

masta247

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#13
Deffinately still the best smartphone running the best OS. (despite what you will read on this forum with Android nerds)

I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone,' but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform. There's no real reason to choose Android unless your restricted by carrier choice which is only now really the US.
Man, you're a die-hard fanboy.

Samsung I9000 Galaxy S vs. Apple iPhone 4: Collision course - GSMArena.com

Watch your favorite phone getting owned by an Android device in a side-by-side test by a professional pro-Applish website. Yes, they gave your Iphone more points than it deserved but still it was raped by the Galaxy S. Everything is explained for you so you should understand.

how efficient is the new iphone 4 screen. yes it has more pixels on the surface area and is 'sharper' and 'more crisp' in detail - but all that drains the battery more than its predecessor.
Iphone uses an old school LCD screen. It's an IPS screen so it's pretty good for a LCD but no LCD could compare to AMOLED. Then Samsung uses S-AMOLED which is the best kind there is. And it's bigger. Pixel density doesn't make much of a difference because the image will be as sharp on both unless you look at your phone through the magnifying glass.
 

THEV1LL4N

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#14
^^ precisely, it is undetected by the naked eye, so therefore where both of these will have better screens compared with those of previous smartphones, efficient technology is quite obviously going to be the better choice than something that drains the battery life out.
 

masta247

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#15
^^ precisely, it is undetected by the naked eye, so therefore where both of these will have better screens compared with those of previous smartphones, efficient technology is quite obviously going to be the better choice than something that drains the battery life out.
yes, plus AMOLED offers better image quality. I know that at least a hundred times higher contrast looks better on paper than in reality but still the difference is out there and it's visible.
 

Casey

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#16
Deffinately still the best smartphone running the best OS. (despite what you will read on this forum with Android nerds)

I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone,' but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform. There's no real reason to choose Android unless your restricted by carrier choice which is only now really the US.
Complete and utter bollocks.

EVERY gadget blog ,even the pro-Apple ones stated that when it comes down to it, Android 2.2 FroYo is a superior OS to iOS 4, and it feels as if Apple are being forced to play catch-up.

Hardware-wise, as previously stated by other members, the Galaxy S (and the Evo 4G for that matter) are raping the iPhone 4.

It's a superior platform, with superior hardware choices, superior functionality and it's way cooler than being an iSheep.

No real reason to choose Android? How about these:

More hardware selection to suit anyone's wants and needs without having to make a compromise. See, if you like iOS but need a QWERTY, buying an iPhone is making a compromise.

If you want a mid-range phone because you don't need flashy things like front-facing cameras et al, but you still want to be able to run the latest full version of the OS smoothly, you can't do that with Apple. Another score for Android.

If you're a music fan (which I think it's safe to assume most people are) - you don't want to be stuck using the sack-of-crap-eaten-and-regurgitated-by-a-dog-and-shat-out-again program otherwise known as iTunes. iTunes is the biggest piece of shit music library program in existence. It's just horrible. Admittedly - it seems to work better on a Mac. BUT GUESS WHAT? Mac has less than 10% market share in the home computer market. So if you have an iPhone and a PC, you're forced to use this garbage-ass software, so you're making a what? C-O-M-P-R-O-M-I-S-E.

Antennagate. Not an issue for you, as you've stated. Out of every person I've met with an iPhone 4 - you and one other person have not been bothered by it. That leaves at least 10 other people I have personally met who were. Most of these people are NOT satisfied with having to use a bumper for their phone. They don't want to - but they have to. COMPROMISE. And since you're trying to spin this off as a non-issue, let's remember that Mark Papermaster (who was blamed for Antennagate) has "left" Apple now, after effectively being fired by Steve Jobs.

A truly open, customizable experience. If a third party creates a better app that replaces core functions of the phone like the Dialer, Contacts, etc, you can set it as your default. If you want to use Google Voice to handle your phone calls and SMS - you got it. Want to grab emulators, porn, or anything else that Apple's "Dear Leader" considers inappropriate? Get it from Android Market, because we don't need someone dictating what we can and can't do with the device WE bought.

Final reason to choose Android? Shit, it's just a better OS.

Ask Pittsey on this very thread, who just a few weeks ago, was still in love with his 3GS and considering getting an iPhone 4, but made the smart choice and got a Samsung Galaxy S instead. Out of all of us, he has the most experience with both OS's. Or I could relate the story of, how, on my trans-atlantic flight back from touring Canada with my band last week, a very executive-looking couple had both - the wife an iPhone 4, and the husband a Galaxy S. Guess which one they BOTH preferred? People worldwide are having this exact same epiphany, which leads to stories like this:

Android Overtakes iPhone - Mobiledia
Android Phones Overtake iPhone Sales - PCWorld

Oh look, even Apple Insider know what's up:

Apple press warns about the Android threat - You probably were not expecting this | TechEye

And let me close with a great comment I found, which I've stated myself before, regarding history repeating itself (ie Mac VS Windows, where Apple went from dominating by a large margin to being completely destroyed by a software company licensing it's product to multiple OEM's, and iOS VS Android where the exact same thing is happening)

History is repeating itself.

Back in the early 1980s, the Commodore 64 and Apple II were the installed base leaders in computing. Think of Commodore as Nokia (the leader but unable to adapt to changing market conditions).

Think of Apple as, well, Apple. When the IBM PC debuted, Apple responded with its own more closed systems -- the Macintosh, the Apple ///, and the Apple IIgs.

The rationale for the closed machines was "better experience," less piracy, etc. The rant against pirates from Apple Insider resembles the same arguments made by Apple partisans against PCs in 1985. By the end of 1985, PCs had completely marginalized Apple in the computing market -- the Apple /// was discontinued. By the end of the 1980s, the Macintosh was a costly "also ran" and the Apple IIgs was facing doom.

In smartphones, things move an order of magnitude faster than in the 1980s computer business. As Android becomes the dominant smartphone OS, Apple's ecosystem will become increasingly marginal as a development platform, and its strict controls on developers and users will make it a poor investment for the average developer, just as the Macintosh is considered a poor investment for dedicated development.

The Mac was able to limp along as software vendors like Microsoft and Adobe brought over software developed on PCs and ported it to the Mac, so it still had some relevant software. Apple's ban on porting apps to the iPhone/iPod means that that option will NOT be available for Apple users, and as developers continue to jump ship, apps simply will no longer be developed in the Apple ecosystem. 24 months from now, most people will be saying "oh yeah, I remember the iPhone, that's like the Palm Treo, right?"
I am not a cruel man trying to admonish a product you clearly love. However - facts are facts. You are free to enjoy your inferior OS, but let's not try and convince people that is anything else but a outdated business model, running a terrible, closed, platform, created by a dictator who runs his empire like a cult, creating endless amounts of sheep repeating his twisted phrases and buzzwords over and over again.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#17
I have an iPhone 4. No issues with receptions infact when I held it in the supposed "death grip" it went up 1 bar lol. And I also have a free case from Apple on the way.

If your considering it Id deffinately recommend it. Very quick, screen is the best Ive seen on a smartphone. Facetimes cool it will be even better when they allow video calls over 3G.

Deffinately still the best smartphone running the best OS. (despite what you will read on this forum with Android nerds)

I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone,' but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform. There's no real reason to choose Android unless your restricted by carrier choice which is only now really the US.

I have played with my friends Iphone 4. I also couldn't get any reception issues. So I am yet to see any problems with it. However, the screen isn't the best... No where near. The AMOLED screen that my galaxy S has is far superior. I used to be an apple fan, albeit only on jailbroken devices, but I now prefer the Android based phones, and believe the apps to be superior also. That point however is subjective. Processing power, RAM, GPU and screen is not.
 
#18
iTunes is great and one of best part of owning an iPhone. Although I agree it runs a hell of a lot better on a Mac.

How are Android hardware specs raping iPhone? most use the same speed processor, similar graphics, similar screens in the high end? Didnt iPhone just get voted as having the best camera in a smartphone with a 5mp camera as apposed to the 8mp androids?

What if i need a phone that syncs and backs up with itunes?
What if i need a phone thats easy to use?
What if I need better battery life?
What if I need the biggest selection of best written Apps with the best experience?
What if I need a music player thats not useless?
What if I want to buy music directly on my phone from itunes?
What if i want the best gaming phone?
What if I want the most accurate multi touch screen?
What if I want to be sure I will get the next firmware update instead of having to replace my phone to get software features every 6 months?

its all a compromise.

If people want a customizable experience with porn and emulators and widgets, then they are able to jailbreak their device. The only reason people I know jailbreak their iphone or iPod touch is to download free Apps.

iPhone is better for developers if your intent is to develop commercial (i.e. you get paid) software. Android is a scary place because of all the hardware variation (increases testing load, reduces reliable common spec) and the OS variation. Not only that but piracy is a huge issue for Android and is a less attractive option for developers.

See you see it as "Closed" I see it as Safe. I like that there is someone (Apple) that reviews Apps and makes sure the App actually does what it says and performs 100% and is free from virus's and malware. Its quality control, something Android does not have.

Android is for tinkerers, nerdy PC type of people eg Masta. :amuse:

iPhone 4 is almost as "Magical" as my iPad.
 

Casey

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#19
iTunes is great and one of best part of owning an iPhone. Although I agree it runs a hell of a lot better on a Mac.

How are Android hardware specs raping iPhone? most use the same speed processor, similar graphics, similar screens in the high end? Didnt iPhone just get voted as having the best camera in a smartphone with a 5mp camera as apposed to the 8mp androids?
See Pittsey's post. Samsung Galaxy S (as well as HTC Evo) rape the iPhone 4 spec.

Plus.... both HTC and Motorola are releasing 1.3 GhZ DUAL CORE processor Android phones in the next 4 months. Motorola will have a 2GhZ phone out before the next iPhone comes out which probably won't even be 1.3.

What if i need a phone that syncs and backs up with itunes?
You can sync an Android phone with iTunes if you want to.

What if i need a phone thats easy to use?
Android is just as easy to use as iOS. I've never met a single person who has had a problem figuring it out.

What if I need better battery life?
Android phones have great battery life for the most part.

What if I need the biggest selection of best written Apps with the best experience?
If you prefer quantity over quality, get an Phone. If you prefer quality, innovative apps, get Android. I don't see Gesture Search, Google Goggles, Google Navigation (with Street View mode), Sky Map, etc, on iOS. However as Pittsey says, this point is subjective. But he's had an iPhone for however many years, now has a Galaxy S, and says the apps are better. I picked up an iPad for my cousin when I was in the US, jailbroke it and installed a million apps for it, and I prefer the Android apps also. By your comments you've clearly never used Android for more than 10 minutes, so therefore mine and Pittsey's opinions are informed, whereas yours are not.

What if I need a music player thats not useless?
There are at least 5 great music player apps available for Android.

What if I want to buy music directly on my phone from itunes?
Then you're an idiot, because AmazonMP3 has better pricing and runs on an open web-based system, not proprietary garbage.

What if i want the best gaming phone?
LOL. Sure, iOS is the best gaming phone. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. That would explain why the Galaxy S GPU can push more triangles per second than a PS2 or PSP? You are aware that Sony are bringing out an Android gaming device to be the next PSP, with full Playstation branding? Clock is ticking......

What if I want the most accurate multi touch screen?
I see no evidence to suggest that the iPhone 4 screen is any more accurate than the Galaxy S or Droid2.

What if I want to be sure I will get the next firmware update instead of having to replace my phone to get software features every 6 months?
LOL. You have LITERALLY NO IDEA what you are talking about. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

Let's compare:

I got my G1 in November 2008, it ran Android 1.1 at the time. Android 1.5 (Cupcake) came out the following April. Android 1.6 (Donut) followed in September. Android 2.1 (Eclair) the following January. Android 2.2 (FroYo) was announced last May and released in July. Guess what? I'm running FroYo, and not a cut-down version, the full OS with all the new features. That's 21 months and counting.

What iPhone was out in 2008? Oh yeah - the iPhone 3G. Can the iPhone 3G run a full version of iOS 4? Well? What's that? *crickets chirp*........ *tumbleweed rolls past*...........No, it can't.


If people want a customizable experience with porn and emulators and widgets, then they are able to jailbreak their device. The only reason people I know jailbreak their iphone or iPod touch is to download free Apps.
There's no widgets for iOS even when you jailbreak. The ONLY reason is to get free apps? LOL. That's complete garbage and you know it. People jailbreak to get apps that have been rejected or crippled by Apple for no apparent reason, to add functionality that should have been there for a start.... the iPhone 3G was capable of running a camcorder app with no problem, but Apple wanted people to upgrade, so 3G people were forced to jailbreak to get a camcorder on there. People jailbreak to tether, to theme their device, to be able to use SSH to get into the file system tree, to make some apps that Apple have insisted only be used on Wifi be able to be used on 3G, and to make it easier to access certain settings, things like sbsettings. One of the most useful reasons I found with my cousins iPad was that I was able to add multitasking via Backgrounder once it was jailbroken....funnily enough, a MUCH BETTER method of multitasking than the garbage way they implemented with iOS 4.

The fact is that the ONLY innovative stuff on iOS is coming from the jailbreaker community, and NOT apple.

iPhone is better for developers if your intent is to develop commercial (i.e. you get paid) software. Android is a scary place because of all the hardware variation (increases testing load, reduces reliable common spec) and the OS variation. Not only that but piracy is a huge issue for Android and is a less attractive option for developers.
Actually....since Android sales have overtaken iPhone sales now, and Google have already announced their plan to eliminate the piracy problems, Android is the most attractive OS for developers right now. Also, I know PLENTY of developers who have worked on both iOS and Android, Android is easier to code for because Java is a better and more flexible language than Objective C, and none of these developers have had ANY problem with hardware variation. In fact, I know of one guy who developed a popular Android game, and he personally only had a Nexus to test it on...he asked fans of the game on his forum to post up videos of themselves playing it on whatever device they had... the game ran flawlessly on at least 15 devices that different people uploaded vids of.

Since you clearly didn't read the quote I posted before, I'll post part of it again.

In smartphones, things move an order of magnitude faster than in the 1980s computer business. As Android becomes the dominant smartphone OS, Apple's ecosystem will become increasingly marginal as a development platform, and its strict controls on developers and users will make it a poor investment for the average developer, just as the Macintosh is considered a poor investment for dedicated development.

The Mac was able to limp along as software vendors like Microsoft and Adobe brought over software developed on PCs and ported it to the Mac, so it still had some relevant software. Apple's ban on porting apps to the iPhone/iPod means that that option will NOT be available for Apple users, and as developers continue to jump ship, apps simply will no longer be developed in the Apple ecosystem. 24 months from now, most people will be saying "oh yeah, I remember the iPhone, that's like the Palm Treo, right?"
See you see it as "Closed" I see it as Safe. I like that there is someone (Apple) that reviews Apps and makes sure the App actually does what it says and performs 100% and is free from virus's and malware. Its quality control, something Android does not have
LOL at Android not having quality control. Complete and utter garbage. The difference is that the community decides the quality of an app, not some random guy in a room somewhere. If there's two apps in Android Market that do exactly the same thing, one has a 2-star rating with a bunch of pissed off people in the comments section and one has a 5-star rating with all the commenters raving about it, which one are you gonna get? It ain't fucking rocket science.

Android is for tinkerers, nerdy PC type of people eg Masta. :amuse:
Which is why Kim Kardashian has one. And Christinia Milian. And LA Lakers coach Phil Jackson. And Aisha Tyler the R&B singer and 'Friends' actress.

Because all those people are OBVIOUSLY nerdy PC people. Riiiight.

iPhone 4 is almost as "Magical" as my iPad.
I used my cousins iPad quite a lot while we were on tour in Canada last month. By about 2 weeks into the tour, I was bored of it. My other cousin who has one, said it sits under his bed, he uses it to quickly check email before he goes to sleep, and again in the morning before he gets up out of bed, and that's it. Real magical.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#20
The problem with iphone fans is that they don't even know what other devices can do. They don't let their minds accept the fact that there can be something else that does everything that the Iphone does and that this thing can do it even better. Plus does a lot of other stuff.
And is cooler to use.

About a month or so ago I was on a trip to a very small town with some friends of mine and a bunch of their friends. That group included a few "cool kids" with Iphones. One of them had his Iphone jailbroken and was all about "oooh look at what my phone can do" launching stupid ass apps like a machine gun sound or lord vader voice all the time.
There was exactly 1 wifi station nearby and none of these Iphones could pick a signal because they thought it's too far. So that guy with his jailbroken Iphone thought that he'll do the coolest thing ever and share his 2g connection over a wifi tethering app that he illegally downloaded (because Apple bans these apps from the market). While they were struggling with that I thought "oh what the hell, I'll help them out".
Needless to say my phone could easily pick the signal from that wifi hotspot and I was able to use my wifi tethering to share the net with them because Android is cool like that.
I was like "Bazinga!" and they were like "Zomg wtf pro hax!". They were playing with my phone and couldn't believee that they could buy 4 of them for the price of their average Iphone here.
This also applies to most other things Iphone can't do and Android can.
 

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