Interrupted On Air; Man Speaks Truth On Iraq/London attack

#61
TecK NeeX said:
then Bush is a messenger of destruction hell bent on destroying Islam who also believes (Bush did really say this btw) Jesus chose him to lead a crusade against the islamic world.
I will only respond to this point as the rest is regurgitated rubbish I have already rebutted.

It's clear Teck that this one sentence encapsulates yourwhole view of Bush and current U.S. policy. Thus you are unable to view it in anything but a subjective light. Unfortuntately it is you who has been persuaded by anti-American propaganda into believing that Bush is an anti-Christ figure and Bin Laden is a soldier of freedom.

It is simply laughable that you could possibly believe what you state. Like so many of your other points, this one is a simple misconception. Bush NEVER stated Jesus chose him to lead a crusade against the Islamic World, rather he stated God supported him in the war against the terrorists.

Such simple points are spun by you and turned into something they never were, such as Tony Blair's ostensible admission that intelligence was being fixed and the U.S.S. Cole was "occupying" Yemeni waters. Sad really.
 

The.Menace

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#62
The chemical in question is Uranium. The White House acknowledged that the Iraq-Africa story had been based on forged documents but was mistakenly kept in the State of the Union address. CIA Director George Tenet accepted blame for the incident, saying his agency should have excised the passage from Bush's speech and subsequently resigned.

Hardly an attempt by Bush to knowingly distort the facts.
This is exactly what you asked for. False information used to scare people. Maybe Bush didn't know better (but we'll never know) but that doesn't matter, it's his staff and he's responsible for his staff. If I drive too quick I can't say I didn't know there was a limit, I still get a ticket. So Bush in my view is guilty of that false information as well,....cause if he isn't you're best would be (maybe this is what's happening already :p) to put a monkey on the top - and your country can do whatever it wants, go to war without reasons launch missles whatever - cause the new first man didn't know better there would be no guilt right?
 
#63
The.Menace said:
This is exactly what you asked for. False information used to scare people.
No, I asked for information which was known to be false and still used in order to declare war. This info was acknowledged as unreliable before the State of the Union address but was mistaknely left in by the CIA. When recognized it was rebuked and resignations were handed in.

As aforementioned, hardly an attempt by Bush to distort the facts.
 

TecK NeeX

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#64
Zero Cool said:
I will only respond to this point as the rest is regurgitated rubbish I have already rebutted.
Great cop out


It's clear Teck that this one sentence encapsulates yourwhole view of Bush and current U.S. policy. Thus you are unable to view it in anything but a subjective light. Unfortuntately it is you who has been persuaded by anti-American propaganda into believing that Bush is an anti-Christ figure and Bin Laden is a soldier of freedom.
There is an extremist behind you about to launch a full scale attack on your freedom and your way of life..watch out!

:rolleyes:

It is simply laughable that you could possibly believe what you state. Like so many of your other points, this one is a simple misconception. Bush NEVER stated Jesus chose him to lead a crusade against the Islamic World, rather he stated God supported him in the war against the terrorists..
It is simply laughable that you could possibly believe what you state. Like so many of your other points, this one is a simple misconception. Osama NEVER stated he attacked America because he so much hated their freedoms. Bwahaha

But unlike Osama, Bush did actually say he was chosen by God(Jesus) to lead this war. Bush did call this 'War on Terror' a 'Crusade' which reminded the entire muslim world of the barbarous and unjust military operations against the Muslim world by the Christian Crusaders over the course of several hundred years.

Bush also said his main goal before the end of his second term is to eradicate the Islamic way of life off the face of the Earth
 
#65
TecK NeeX said:
Bush also said his main goal before the end of his second term is to eradicate the Islamic way of life off the face of the Earth
WHAT!? When has Bush even implicated such a notion? Your posts are verging further and further toward Bin Ladenesque propaganda. Instead of using baseless assertions and propaganda Teck, read up, analyze and try at look at this subject subjectively, perhaps then you will diffentiate between the facts and the fiction.
 
#67
TecK NeeX said:
^ lmao you still dont get it do you? Do I remind you of anyone here?
Hilarious. Really. Nevertheless the point remains read up, analyze and try at look at this subject subjectively, perhaps then you will be able to diffentiate between the facts and the fiction.
 

TecK NeeX

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#69
Zero Cool said:
Hilarious. Really.
It certainly is, Really. ;)

Edit: you still dont get it?

Zero Cool said:
Nevertheless the point remains read up, analyze and try at look at this subject subjectively, perhaps then you will be able to diffentiate between the facts and the fiction.
Do you really think i believe Bush really made such a statement? i was only throwing up wild and baseless assertions like yourself when YOU claimed Al-Qaeda's objective is to destroy Western freedoms and their way of life.
 
#70
TecK NeeX said:
Do you really think i believe Bush really made such a statement? i was only throwing up wild and baseless assertions like yourself when YOU claimed Al-Qaeda's objective is to destroy Western freedoms and their way of life.
It seems to be YOU who isn't getting it. Obviously I realize your statement was a "joke" however the fact remains, many of your points are rooted in anti-American propaganda or else simply have no foundation at all. To properly argue against such sentiments is impossible.
 

TecK NeeX

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#71
Zero Cool said:
It seems to be YOU who isn't getting it. Obviously I realize your statement was a "joke" however the fact remains, many of your points are rooted in anti-American propaganda or else simply have no foundation at all. To properly argue against such sentiments is impossible.
I've used Tommy Franks own words, I've used Colin Powell's own words, I've used U.N's own words. I've used the British intelligence officer's own words. Yeah their words are Anti-American Propaganada :rolleyes:


What the fuck have you used? George Bush's speech regarding terrorists attacks against Americas freedoms? Bwhahaha
 

The.Menace

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#72
Zero Cool said:
No, I asked for information which was known to be false and still used in order to declare war. This info was acknowledged as unreliable before the State of the Union address but was mistaknely left in by the CIA. When recognized it was rebuked and resignations were handed in.

As aforementioned, hardly an attempt by Bush to distort the facts.
So cause they acknowledged that it was wrong makes it allright? That means you can say anything you want - if you take it back a year later it's ok? Basically that's what they did. Saying the Iraq was a threat to the US, saying that Saddam has WMD. All those points were not true but made the people accept this war.
 

ill-matic

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#73
Zero Cool said:
It seems to be YOU who isn't getting it. Obviously I realize your statement was a "joke" however the fact remains, many of your points are rooted in anti-American propaganda or else simply have no foundation at all. To properly argue against such sentiments is impossible.

And it seems that YOU have been brainwashed by American propaganda. Well done.
 
#75
The.Menace said:
So cause they acknowledged that it was wrong makes it allright? That means you can say anything you want - if you take it back a year later it's ok? Basically that's what they did. Saying the Iraq was a threat to the US, saying that Saddam has WMD. All those points were not true but made the people accept this war.
Action was taken becaues Saddam was percieved as having weapons of mass destruction. The intelligence failed the country not the government. Besides, America is in Iraq for a variety of reasons WMD is only one of them.
 
#76
Zero Cool said:
Besides, America is in Iraq for a variety of reasons WMD is only one of them.
WMDs were the main reasoning bush used to convince others and get them on his side and to justify his war, now as everyone else knows, they do not exist.

Can you tell us what are those other reasons?
 

Jokerman

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#77
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.(Lies)

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998. (Lying Democrat.)

Keep in mind, most of these statements were the belief before Bush's bad intelligence.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
--Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 (Lying Democrats)

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
--Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998. (Lying Democrat)

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999. (liar)

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
--Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001. (Liars)

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
--Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.(Liar)

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
--Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002. (Drunken liar.)

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
--Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002. (lies)

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
--Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002. (bastard)

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003. (Make him President.)



Before the war, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, thought that Saddam had WMD. The UN, Germany, France, all of them. Even Hussein thought he had them, and he acted like he did. Maybe his scientists lied to him. But he wanted the world to know that he had them. And he did have WMD. Ask the Kurds. It's not like this whole idea of Saddam having WMD was just made up out of the blue.

The U.N. view, published on March 6, 2003, was not only that Iraq still had anthrax, the inspectors increased their estimate for the volume of unaccounted anthrax from 8,500 litres to 10,000 litres. As Iraq could produce little evidence of either production or destruction, Blix's team concluded that: "Based on all the available evidence, the strong presumption is that about 10,000 litres of anthrax was not destroyed and may still exist." This view was not based on any intelligence supplied by Bush & Co.


Let's see, you give Saddam two years notice that you're coming in, and he's surrounded by countries sympathetic to him. You don't suppose any WMD's were moved to Syria or Iran?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.................They wouldn't do that!!!!!!!! Would they????????

Some people have listened to the lies of the left-wing, socialist, limp-wristed liberal press for so long that their blatant nonsense has become truth to them.

If you believe that someone poses a threat, and he acts like he is armed, and everyone around him says that he has a gun, HE says he has a gun, and he's had guns in the past, and he's harming everyone around him, you are going to eventually have to go in and disarm him. Now whether he was bluffing about his weapon or not, you have reasonable suspicion and fear for your life and the safety of those around him. He caused you and the others to believe that he had the weapon and now you act on it. Why? Because you can.
 
#78
nothing justifies killing Tech Neex
its not a way of fighting back
if somebody puts a gun to your face and you kill him... that's fighting back
dont hurt innocent people
americans / brittish might have hurted innocents as well , that doesnt mean u have to go and do the same low thing

they both as terrible
besides, saddam killed innocents too

it just wont stop
 

The.Menace

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#79
Zero Cool said:
Action was taken becaues Saddam was percieved as having weapons of mass destruction. The intelligence failed the country not the government. Besides, America is in Iraq for a variety of reasons WMD is only one of them.
So what has to happen then that the government fails? They decided to go to this war, noone else so I hold them responsible for that. It's easy to say the agency failed and to fire one guy. Easy way out - maybe this was the plan all the way, never thout about that?

@jokerman: So he might have had anthrax, what's the deal? People have to realize that the danger of anthrax is not that someone in Iraq has it, but the way bigger danger in my view is that someone start to cultivate it right in NY. People have to understand that it doesn't takes a lot to cultivate anthrax for example. Give me one room and some money to buy some equipment and I can in fact cultivate it - it's not that hard to do. I don't know why we keep ignoring that danger, maybe don't talk about it so people don't get scared.


Let's see, you give Saddam two years notice that you're coming in, and he's surrounded by countries sympathetic to him. You don't suppose any WMD's were moved to Syria or Iran?
Listen - he might have moved the weapons but sicne there is no prove, you gotta see him as "innocent" of this action. This goes for Saddam as well as for any other human. Show me a prove.

nothing justifies killing Tech Neex
its not a way of fighting back
if somebody puts a gun to your face and you kill him... that's fighting back
dont hurt innocent people
americans / brittish might have hurted innocents as well , that doesnt mean u have to go and do the same low thing
I agree - but like you said yourself, it's kinda hard to argue while we (as western world) are still doing unjust things to them. For example as long as the US keep them people locked down in Cuba without any trial - ignoring human rights etc - it's silly to ask them to follow the human rights and not to kill innocents.

I fucking hate the situation the whole world is in these days - nothing but hate on both sides, :(
 

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