Homosexuality

[Sebastian]

Lets say there are only two possible, seperated reasons for homosexuality.

1) Homosexuality exists due to biological circumstances
2) Homosexuality is caused by social circumstances

Do you think homosexual people deserve more/same/less rights than now if scientists find out either option 1 or option 2 is true?

 

[S O F I]

Well, although rights of homosexuals vary from country to country and state to state, I believe that they deserve the same rights as heterosexuals. Whether they're homosexual due to biological or social circumstances shouldn't matter.

Edit:

I want to add that this topic has been discussed to death in WoW, beReal.

 

[Amara]

Does it really matter what the cause is in either sense - the issue with rights is whether people define homosexuality as a problem in need of rectification or not. If so, then I suppose if either socially or biologically caused you would contain their rights so as to isolate "problem" and consequently hope to eradicate it at the source... like a disease. Whereas if you didnt interpret the issue as representing a problem, you'd offer the same rights. You'd offer more rights if you didnt see the issue as problem except to the extent that homosexuals are discriminated against.

 

[Illuminattile]

At the end of the day, there's no reason to not give them equal rights. There's no logical, rational reason to stop them marrying or adopting or whatever, regardless of why they're gay.

The tougher question is, if the cause of homosexuality was proven to be biological, and a method of supressing whatever it was that caused homosexuality was discovered, would it be ethical to eliminate homosexuality?

 

[The.Menace]

At the end of the day, there's no reason to not give them equal rights. There's no logical, rational reason to stop them marrying or adopting or whatever, regardless of why they're gay.

I don't agree. While gays should have the same rights in normal life, I have a problem with gays adopting children - simple cause I'm think about the child - I doubt that the devellopment of a child raise by gay parents will be the same as if it has "normal" parents. There are some things only a mother can tell you and visa versa I think. Of course a broken family isn't (or shouldn't be) "normal" neigther but these are usually things that happend - while adoption can be controlled.

 

[Illuminattile]

I don't agree. While gays should have the same rights in normal life, I have a problem with gays adopting children - simple cause I'm think about the child - I doubt that the devellopment of a child raise by gay parents will be the same as if it has "normal" parents. There are some things only a mother can tell you and visa versa I think. Of course a broken family isn't (or shouldn't be) "normal" neigther but these are usually things that happend - while adoption can be controlled.

That's an ignorant view to hold, and evidence contradicts it. Homosxual parents can and have raised perfectly "healthy" children.

The idea that you need a mother and a father is wrong, it's just the way people have come to think after years of seeing that as the norm. Children need a balance of discipline and love, it doesn't matter where they come from. Traditionally the former comes from the father and the latter from the mother, but there's no reason why it can't be vice versa, or why two people of the same sex can't perform those roles. You can't say that a child needs "a mother", because all women are different. There's no single trait that most, let alone all women possess which is essential to child development and which is absent in males.

 

[The.Menace]

See I think you put the child into a tough spot...I imagin situations like the first day at school where kids usually get asked "what's your dad's job" - and where is your mother.....and see a kid that suddenly realizes that he/she is the only kid in the room with two male parents, that's not easy 2 handle. That kid's gonna be an outsider from the start etc - I do think that all this has an influence on the devellopment of the child, u know. So maybe I shiould just say, I don't think gays should be allowed 2 adopt children, cause the time isn't right yet.

Plus you say they can have perfectly "healthy" children and I agree, but I don't think there are enough statistcs to really say it's perfectly ok to let gays raise children - because it didn't happen in general yet so how could you estimate the consequences this form of upbringin might have if the child turns into a 30 year old man/women?

 

[Tru Principle]

That's an ignorant view to hold, and evidence contradicts it. Homosxual parents can and have raised perfectly "healthy" children.

The idea that you need a mother and a father is wrong, it's just the way people have come to think after years of seeing that as the norm. Children need a balance of discipline and love, it doesn't matter where they come from. Traditionally the former comes from the father and the latter from the mother, but there's no reason why it can't be vice versa, or why two people of the same sex can't perform those roles. You can't say that a child needs "a mother", because all women are different. There's no single trait that most, let alone all women possess which is essential to child development and which is absent in males.

I agree

And being raised by gay parents does not make you gay, being raised by straight parents does not make you gay but we see it all the time. You have alot of children who raised by straight parents with a loving environment and a stable one, yet they still end up rapists and murderers. The environment outside the house plays an important role in a child's development because as a youth he will see his friends more than he sees his Parents. A gay couple can do everything in their power to raise their child, and succeed but they still might not succeed. It's not about being gay or not, it's about being good Parents and hoping that your child is saved from the evils of the world. And oh the argument that gay men shouldn't adopt means shit, a gay woman can easily get pregnant and raise the child with another gay woman.

 

[Glockmatic]

See I think you put the child into a tough spot...I imagin situations like the first day at school where kids usually get asked "what's your dad's job" - and where is your mother.....and see a kid that suddenly realizes that he/she is the only kid in the room with two male parents, that's not easy 2 handle. That kid's gonna be an outsider from the start etc - I do think that all this has an influence on the devellopment of the child, u know. So maybe I shiould just say, I don't think gays should be allowed 2 adopt children, cause the time isn't right yet.

Plus you say they can have perfectly "healthy" children and I agree, but I don't think there are enough statistcs to really say it's perfectly ok to let gays raise children - because it didn't happen in general yet so how could you estimate the consequences this form of upbringin might have if the child turns into a 30 year old man/women?

Option A) Live with homosexual parents
Option B) Live with other orphans for years waiting to be adopted

Hmmmm, hard to choose

 

[Valeoz]

^^
Option B: There are many orphanages are there that are really good and I seen a many grow up quite ok, not even knowing they were an orphan.

Option A: Internally, I don't know. Externally, there will be issues. Unavoidable issues. It would definitely not be healthy on a child's feeble mind. Will he have the ability, as he gets older, to mingle freely and without prejudice with other members of society in activities that are morally acceptable to the community?

If there is friction there, while becoming an adult. He may experience depression, fear, and anxiety. While fear creating the anxiety.

 

[Playa77777]

i think they should allowed to adopt children cuz adopted children naturally closer to themselves and theres no chance of getting ignorant
but its not good when this gets norm cuz every parents should work that they dont give their child to adoption.

P.S. imagine the adopted child sees his homosexual parents intimate

 

[Tru Principle]

^^
Option B: There are many orphanages are there that are really good and I seen a many grow up quite ok, not even knowing they were an orphan.

Option A: Internally, I don't know. Externally, there will be issues. Unavoidable issues. It would definitely not be healthy on a child's feeble mind. Will he have the ability, as he gets older, to mingle freely and without prejudice with other members of society in activities that are morally acceptable to the community?

If there is friction there, while becoming an adult. He may experience depression, fear, and anxiety. While fear creating the anxiety.

You are too intellectual man. What are you doing on an internet forum, you should be teaching Developmental Psychology.

 

[Glockmatic]

^^
Option B: There are many orphanages are there that are really good and I seen a many grow up quite ok, not even knowing they were an orphan.

Option A: Internally, I don't know. Externally, there will be issues. Unavoidable issues. It would definitely not be healthy on a child's feeble mind. Will he have the ability, as he gets older, to mingle freely and without prejudice with other members of society in activities that are morally acceptable to the community?

If there is friction there, while becoming an adult. He may experience depression, fear, and anxiety. While fear creating the anxiety.

And there are many children who become criminals and drug addicts because they didn't have a loving parent growing up.

Issues? I see no issues. GAY PEOPLE AREN'T DIFFERENT FROM STRAIGHT PEOPLE. They don't have wild sex 24/7, they don't fuck with society, they are like you and me. If they raise the child right the child won't be screwed in the future, the same as every parent. The quicker we accept homosexuality the better the future will be for those children.

 

[XIAN]

I think it's a biological abnormality, although probably psychological in it's sources. But homosexuality is about as old as humanity itself, so I don't think it will ever go away, and there's really no harm in it so it has no need for a cure.

In ancient Greece a lot of people were bisexual. In this culture it's taboo because it is so uncommon, and I don't see how one could look at it in terms of right and wrong.

 

[Valeoz]

Issues? I see no issues. GAY PEOPLE AREN'T DIFFERENT FROM STRAIGHT PEOPLE. They don't have wild sex 24/7, they don't fuck with society, they are like you and me. If they raise the child right the child won't be screwed in the future, the same as every parent. The quicker we accept homosexuality the better the future will be for those children.

You're looking at the internal when I was talking about the external. I wasn't even talking about the gay parents. I was talking about a child having gay parents and what society could do to him, mentally. As you say yourself, we don't accept homosexuality.

 

[Duke]

You're looking at the internal when I was talking about the external. I wasn't even talking about the gay parents. I was talking about a child having gay parents and what society could do to him, mentally. As you say yourself, we don't accept homosexuality.

All true, but Glockmatic speaks the truth. The only reason these kids may be viewed as different is because society doesnt want to accept it.

Should we outlaw it because of people's narrowminded views? Nay, of course not. We, as a people, need to make the rest aware of the fact that homosexual people are normal people like any other.

 

[Valeoz]

The only reason these kids may be viewed as different is because society doesnt want to accept it.

Exactly. That is what I was going at. And who knows what kind of implications this can have on a child's feeble mind. Like I said, he could go through depression, fear, and anxiety because he has the possiblity of being outcasted.

 

[S O F I]

^Kids go through all those things, regardless of what sexual preference their parents have.

 

[Valeoz]

Sorry, like I said in my first post: As they get older; meaning becoming an adult. I should of said that there too.

It is abnormal behavior for an adult to go through those emotions/feelings when dealing with society.(No shit.)

 

[S O F I]

Sorry, like I said in my first post: As they get older; meaning becoming an adult. I should of said that there too.

It is abnormal behavior for an adult to go through those emotions/feelings when dealing with society.(No shit.)

Well, what's worse? Living in the society as a homosexual adult, or as a straight adult with two homosexual parents? When I look around, the homosexuals that have "come out of the closet" maintain to live healthy and satisfying lives. If they can, straight adults with gay parents definitely can. My point is, I think some kids might go through those things due to their parents, but I think they will manage just fine as they grow into adults. An adult won't care if somebody goes and says "AHHH, YOUR DAD IS GAY!" You know?