Hawking: God did not create Universe

Jokerman

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#21
Atheism is holding a definite belief that there is no God.
There are shades of atheism just as there are shades of agnosticism. There’s the de facto atheist who feels that he can’t know for certain but thinks God is very improbable, and lives his life on the assumption that he doesn’t exist. Then there’s the strong atheist who feels that he knows there is no God, as you said (except note I said "knows," not "believes"). Very few atheists are strong atheists. Even Richard Dawkins says he’s not that kind of atheist. I myself am a de facto atheist, except when it comes to the God of the Bible (or other religious gods). Then I’m a strong atheist, and I’m sure Dawkins and Hawking would say the same about themselves.

Either you believe or you don't, there isn't anything in between. Agnosticism just means you accept that there can ultimately be no definitive proof either way.
Like atheists, agnostics come in different shades too. There are those who are very uncertain, but are inclined to believe in God, and those who are uncertain, but are inclined to be skeptical. Those two shades of agnosticism are usually the domain of people who have had some level of religious instruction, indoctrination, whatever, at some point in their lives. They went to church as a child, maybe they still do on special occasions. Religion is a part of their culture or family. Hence, it would be harder for them to totally come to reject it than for someone with doubts, or with an increasingly scientific outlook, who didn’t have that religious background. Such a person would either become an atheist or become a true agnostic who is completely impartial. They have no religious belief. It’s a philosophical issue for them. They (rightly) consider the question answerable and don’t think God’s existence has been proven or disproven. Very few agnostics are of this kind, though the religious ones might claim to be in a debate with atheists just to intellectualize their belief or trace of it.

The reason I’m not of this kind is because I understand that God’s existence or non-existence is in principle unprovable, yet not equally probable. Probablity leans, to my mind, more to his non-existence. (And, of course, the God of the Bible has no probability of existing whatsoever.) Hence, I’m a de facto atheist.
 

Jokerman

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#22
I just read Hawking's new book and, as expected, it was one of the most boring books on science I have ever read. He says absolutely nothing of import in it. He's not a good writer, even with a co-author. I don't think it was meant to be read because i have no idea who it was written for. It was just meant to be bought for the name, and it will be. He mentions God like 50 times and says nothing beyond what was already quoted everywhere.
 

Jokerman

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#24
Donate the book then.
I'd like to give it to someone on this board. But whom? You? Are you really interested in it? But you should know that it's an advance paperback copy with uncorrected proofs. Random House sent it to me a few weeks before the hardcover was officially released yesterday. I'm chill like that. I put it aside but after that story broke I decided to see for myself just what he did say about God. Nothing. I didn't really see any typos or glaring errors, so it's probably identical to the official copy. Maybe I should hold a contest on here for it. Whoever gives the best reason for wanting it, gets it.
 

Da_Funk

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#27
I just read Hawking's new book and, as expected, it was one of the most boring books on science I have ever read. He says absolutely nothing of import in it. He's not a good writer, even with a co-author. I don't think it was meant to be read because i have no idea who it was written for. It was just meant to be bought for the name, and it will be. He mentions God like 50 times and says nothing beyond what was already quoted everywhere.
Not surprising. I remember a brieft history of time being a snoozefest.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#28
^ Really? I liked that book. Obviously there are better ones from "lesser" scientists but I enjoyed it. I won't lie thought that I wouldn't enjoy it as much if I knew more on that topic at that time and if it wasn't written by him.
 

Duke

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#29
I'll take your word that it's boring, lol

I've only really read A Brief History Of Time by him, as my dad (borrowed it from him) said it's the one of the few worth reading. I've also read in another one of his, much later publications, with nice pictures and drawings and whatnots, but I really didn't understand much of it. I'm not a physicist and it left me wondering who'd be interested in such a flashy sciency book.
 

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