George dubya
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No, Darfur and Sudan are not in the middle of anti-US/Israel terrorist territory. Iraq is. It's right in the middle, great strategic point to wage our war on terror, and we had other reasons to go in which made it perfect. Fuck "liberate" the people. Of course we didn't do it for that. No one who supported the war was under that naive assumption, and Bush didn't think they were. He just had to make those noises because it was expected.
^^^ wut other good reasons...and how did the oil excuse get old..juss cuz noone addresses it doesn't mean it'z an old topic..i dunno y every body thinks evryone else's president is fucked but their'z is all good...i dun think we'll ever really kno wut'z up..but as far as war reasons liberating people and fightin terrorists wuz the last reasons on bush'z agenda...and how is iraq a strategic point for fighting terrorism..if ur talking geographically thas absurd because once again most of the hijackers were saudi arabian y not start there an how do u have a strategic place in a "global war" on terror
apparently my thread took up too much space, so i'm going to repost this..
I've already seen two threads in the past month in this forum about people changing their minds and deciding that they actually like Bush now. I was going to just reply to the current thread, but I feel that this is worry of it's own and would go unnoticed in the 30-45 post range of the other.
Maybe if Bush had done more to prevent it, we wouldn't have had this mess.
Towards the end of his administration, President Clinton had assigned Richard Clarke to devise a plan to completely take out bin Laden and al Qaeda. The plan was completed just before he was about to leave office, but rather than leave a war on terrorism for Bush to take over with, he decided to trust Bush and put the responsibility in his hands (I stand corrected, Clinton did do something wrong).
Clinton's administration knew how much of a threat he was. In fact, Sandy Berger, his National Security Advisor, arranged several meetings to brief Condoleeza Rice on the upcoming affairs, and one was focused on bin Laden specifically. Berger to Rice: "I believe that the Bush administration will spend more time on terrorism in general, and on al Qaeda specifically, than any other subject.'' Rice's people confirmed that this meeting occurred.
After meeting with Berger, Rice spoke with Richard Clarke, the specialist with the plan, and she was so impressed that she kept him around to head counter-terrorism. After Dick Cheney was briefed about the plan, however, the Bush team felt that the Clintons were too obsessed with bin Laden.
Then there was the Hart-Rudman commission, which reported that "security of the American homeland from the threats of the new century should be the primary national security mission of the U.S. government." It also recommended setting up a Homeland Security Council to combat the "growing concern" of a "mass-casualty terrorism directed against the U.S. homeland," but Bush chose not too. Instead he put Cheney in charge of an anti-terrorism commission that never met once in the eight months leading up to 9/11.
On July 10, 2001, FBI agent Kenneth Williams reported his concern about Middle Eastern students at an Arizona flight school. He even mentioned al Qaeda specifically. Also in the middle of July, CIA director George Tenet told Condoleeza Rice that there was going to be a major attack against the U.S. Maybe the problem wasn't the lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA, but rather the Bush administration ignoring their reports.
On August 6, one month and five days before 9/11, Tenet delivered a memo to Bush that flat out said that al Qaeda was going to hijack airplanes and use them against the U.S. The memo was entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Obviously, Bush didn't have enough of a warning to act on anything, so he did what he does best, and ignored the problem.
Oh yeah, and there was the August 16 incident where the INS arrested Zacharias Moussaoui. They only said he had no interest in learnin ghow to take off or land and that he seemed like "the type of person who could fly something into the World Trade Center." Nothing to worry about here.
To be fair though, there's no way Bush could have conceived that al Qaeda would try to pull off something like this. It hadn't been tried since 1996, when al Qaeda was plotting to hijack a plane and fly it into CIA headquarters before Clinton thwarted it. Five years ago is ancient history of course, and can be ignored completely.
Stop saying that 9/11 was unpreventable. It was preventable. I know you only say that to try and ease you minds over the tragedy. Believe me, it hurts to know that thousands of lives could have been saved if Bush took anything seriously. All he had to do was arrest the rest of the illegal immigrants at the flight school. That's it. The FBI and the CIA knew what was going to happen and who was going to do it, but Bush didn't act on their warnings
I think it's obvious that Bush "held it down" for us.
Obviously. That's why he prepared everything Bush needed to stop bin Laden. And that's why we were the strongest economically we had ever been.
Why is it shit? Because we have surplus to help fund it. Why do we have no surplus to help fund it? Because Bush cut taxes that helped the little people zero percent and sent us into an expensive and unnecessary war with Iraq.
It tells me two things:
1) that 51% of Americans have been blessed that they haven't walked out into traffic yet, because they're stupid enough to have done it
2) i should be running the u.s., not him
I've already seen two threads in the past month in this forum about people changing their minds and deciding that they actually like Bush now. I was going to just reply to the current thread, but I feel that this is worry of it's own and would go unnoticed in the 30-45 post range of the other.
Maybe if Bush had done more to prevent it, we wouldn't have had this mess.
Towards the end of his administration, President Clinton had assigned Richard Clarke to devise a plan to completely take out bin Laden and al Qaeda. The plan was completed just before he was about to leave office, but rather than leave a war on terrorism for Bush to take over with, he decided to trust Bush and put the responsibility in his hands (I stand corrected, Clinton did do something wrong).
Clinton's administration knew how much of a threat he was. In fact, Sandy Berger, his National Security Advisor, arranged several meetings to brief Condoleeza Rice on the upcoming affairs, and one was focused on bin Laden specifically. Berger to Rice: "I believe that the Bush administration will spend more time on terrorism in general, and on al Qaeda specifically, than any other subject.'' Rice's people confirmed that this meeting occurred.
After meeting with Berger, Rice spoke with Richard Clarke, the specialist with the plan, and she was so impressed that she kept him around to head counter-terrorism. After Dick Cheney was briefed about the plan, however, the Bush team felt that the Clintons were too obsessed with bin Laden.
Then there was the Hart-Rudman commission, which reported that "security of the American homeland from the threats of the new century should be the primary national security mission of the U.S. government." It also recommended setting up a Homeland Security Council to combat the "growing concern" of a "mass-casualty terrorism directed against the U.S. homeland," but Bush chose not too. Instead he put Cheney in charge of an anti-terrorism commission that never met once in the eight months leading up to 9/11.
On July 10, 2001, FBI agent Kenneth Williams reported his concern about Middle Eastern students at an Arizona flight school. He even mentioned al Qaeda specifically. Also in the middle of July, CIA director George Tenet told Condoleeza Rice that there was going to be a major attack against the U.S. Maybe the problem wasn't the lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA, but rather the Bush administration ignoring their reports.
On August 6, one month and five days before 9/11, Tenet delivered a memo to Bush that flat out said that al Qaeda was going to hijack airplanes and use them against the U.S. The memo was entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Obviously, Bush didn't have enough of a warning to act on anything, so he did what he does best, and ignored the problem.
Oh yeah, and there was the August 16 incident where the INS arrested Zacharias Moussaoui. They only said he had no interest in learnin ghow to take off or land and that he seemed like "the type of person who could fly something into the World Trade Center." Nothing to worry about here.
To be fair though, there's no way Bush could have conceived that al Qaeda would try to pull off something like this. It hadn't been tried since 1996, when al Qaeda was plotting to hijack a plane and fly it into CIA headquarters before Clinton thwarted it. Five years ago is ancient history of course, and can be ignored completely.
Stop saying that 9/11 was unpreventable. It was preventable. I know you only say that to try and ease you minds over the tragedy. Believe me, it hurts to know that thousands of lives could have been saved if Bush took anything seriously. All he had to do was arrest the rest of the illegal immigrants at the flight school. That's it. The FBI and the CIA knew what was going to happen and who was going to do it, but Bush didn't act on their warnings
I think it's obvious that Bush "held it down" for us.
Obviously. That's why he prepared everything Bush needed to stop bin Laden. And that's why we were the strongest economically we had ever been.
Why is it shit? Because we have surplus to help fund it. Why do we have no surplus to help fund it? Because Bush cut taxes that helped the little people zero percent and sent us into an expensive and unnecessary war with Iraq.
It tells me two things:
1) that 51% of Americans have been blessed that they haven't walked out into traffic yet, because they're stupid enough to have done it
2) i should be running the u.s., not him
^so would rather pay for another persons "S.S." check ,than use the money that is taken out to invest for yourself? you do know how social security works right? it takes 3 people that work to pay for one persons social security. it's not even a sure thing that you or I will even recieve social security when our time comes.
What Clinton did was pretty much negligible to anyone not named Hillary. If you want to talk about disrespecting the White House, talk about stuff like JFK, FDR, Ronald Reagan knowingly violating federal laws, Andrew Jackson etc.
Clinton, like every other president, pardoned a number of individuals. Every president does that.
And of course we downsized the military. Hello, it was 1993 and the Soviet Union had just dissolved less than 2 years earlier. No more Cold War meant additional defense spending was completely unnecessary. When Reagan added defense spending he tripled the deficit, which the first Bush had to spend 4 years fixing by making budget cuts. Clinton just extended the first Bush's work to get our budget back in working order and pull us out of the early 90s recession.
Clinton, like every other president, pardoned a number of individuals. Every president does that.
And of course we downsized the military. Hello, it was 1993 and the Soviet Union had just dissolved less than 2 years earlier. No more Cold War meant additional defense spending was completely unnecessary. When Reagan added defense spending he tripled the deficit, which the first Bush had to spend 4 years fixing by making budget cuts. Clinton just extended the first Bush's work to get our budget back in working order and pull us out of the early 90s recession.
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