Gaza
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THe Gaza pullout is a good thing being done in the wrong way. I'm happy that the settlers are leaving but the Israelis are just going to turn the strip into a prison since their troops are going to be patroling the borders. If their troops act unjustly by making it difficult for Palestinians to travel in and out of Gaza (which they will) things will get worse. Either way the Jews still occupy the West Bank, which is bigger and has a major water source for Israel in it. Nothing is going to change unless settlers pull out of the West Bank as well and rightfully give up Eastern Jerusalem to the Palestinians.
Hey, I'm from Israel. And i'm glad that the settlers are getting kicked out. I personally don't agree with them and their extremist ways of looking at things. I hope these actions will somehow put us on the right path to acheive peace.
Baukem, mind me asking where are you from? you seem to know a whole lot of the situation in here.
Baukem, mind me asking where are you from? you seem to know a whole lot of the situation in here.
Israel went in there during the 1967 war after the Gaza was mobilized by hundreds of thousands of Egyptian soldiers poised to invade Israel under Nasser. Israel retained the lands as a buffer after 1967. The Gaza was again invaded by Egypt in 1973 during the Yom Kippur War. After the 1973 war, Israel held onto the Gaza and the Sinai as a buffer zone, returning the Sinai to Egypt in a peace deal negotiated under Sadat.
Israel did not build homes to house settlers: Jews settled there voluntarily. Israel did not displace Palestinians from that land: the land that the settlers built on was previously vacant.
Egypt had occupied the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967, and the Palestinians didn't seem to mind occupation then. In fact, Arafat's PLO used the Gaza Strip as a terrorist haven to carry out attacks inside Israel in the late 1950s and continued to do so until 1967.
Even if it was true, which it isn't, Sharon would never say that. The demographic issue and strategic security issues drove them out. I guess you could indirectly credit Palestinian resistance because there were so few Jews right up alongside 1 million Palestinians that it wasn't the most tenable security situation. But obviously the resistance isn't forcing an Israeli backdown as witnessed in the West Bank.
He was saying it was unfairly built because an ancient Jewish temple was taken down on that site and the mosque was built over it. The remnants of the Jewish temple include the Western Wall, the holiest site in Judaism.
In an effort to stir the peace process and give the Palestinian Authority a chance to prove they're up to the task of squelching militants and keeping order in Gaza, Israel pulled the settlers out.
Of course, since nobody honestly expects the Palestinian Authority to make good on their obligations, the most important reason for the pullout was to ensure that the lands Israel holds retain a Jewish majority.
If Israel held onto Gaza, Palestinians would be a majority in the lands held by Israel in about 15 years. At that point they would end demands for a two state solution and demand a one state solution with Israeli citizenship whereby they could simply vote in Palestinian representation and destroy Israel from the inside out.
Israel did not build homes to house settlers: Jews settled there voluntarily. Israel did not displace Palestinians from that land: the land that the settlers built on was previously vacant.
Egypt had occupied the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967, and the Palestinians didn't seem to mind occupation then. In fact, Arafat's PLO used the Gaza Strip as a terrorist haven to carry out attacks inside Israel in the late 1950s and continued to do so until 1967.
Even if it was true, which it isn't, Sharon would never say that. The demographic issue and strategic security issues drove them out. I guess you could indirectly credit Palestinian resistance because there were so few Jews right up alongside 1 million Palestinians that it wasn't the most tenable security situation. But obviously the resistance isn't forcing an Israeli backdown as witnessed in the West Bank.
He was saying it was unfairly built because an ancient Jewish temple was taken down on that site and the mosque was built over it. The remnants of the Jewish temple include the Western Wall, the holiest site in Judaism.
In an effort to stir the peace process and give the Palestinian Authority a chance to prove they're up to the task of squelching militants and keeping order in Gaza, Israel pulled the settlers out.
Of course, since nobody honestly expects the Palestinian Authority to make good on their obligations, the most important reason for the pullout was to ensure that the lands Israel holds retain a Jewish majority.
If Israel held onto Gaza, Palestinians would be a majority in the lands held by Israel in about 15 years. At that point they would end demands for a two state solution and demand a one state solution with Israeli citizenship whereby they could simply vote in Palestinian representation and destroy Israel from the inside out.
Hamas's leader Khaled Marshal has already called the withdrawal "the beginning of the end" of Israel.
Obviously it will embolden the resistance groups, but the IDF has proven so effective at dealing with them as the intifada has gone on that I don't think the withdrawal will hurt Israeli security: Israel will still retain control over the borders and airspace of the land.
Under every tenant of international law, it is completely legal for Jews to live in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. This was affirmed in the Balfour Declaration. This was affirmed in the McDonald-White Papers.
It's also affirmed by simple morality: how can you argue that people of a certain faith shouldn't be allowed to live in the Gaza Strip? The Palestinians will build what amounts to an apartheid state and nobody will bat an eyelash, and yet people get incensed that a Jew dares to live in the Gaza Strip?
Obviously it will embolden the resistance groups, but the IDF has proven so effective at dealing with them as the intifada has gone on that I don't think the withdrawal will hurt Israeli security: Israel will still retain control over the borders and airspace of the land.
Under every tenant of international law, it is completely legal for Jews to live in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. This was affirmed in the Balfour Declaration. This was affirmed in the McDonald-White Papers.
It's also affirmed by simple morality: how can you argue that people of a certain faith shouldn't be allowed to live in the Gaza Strip? The Palestinians will build what amounts to an apartheid state and nobody will bat an eyelash, and yet people get incensed that a Jew dares to live in the Gaza Strip?
All the fuss is about the war, and the occupided areas. (such as Gaza, West Bank, The Golan) and so on, that we got after the war. The jews has a claim at this country as much as the palastinen do. Someone in here posted a link refering to the jewish state, i suggest reading about the british mandette in Israel, it might clear some things up. And i think it's naive thinking that it has *nothing* to do with religion or race, it has a lot to do with, both race and religion play a big part in the whole conflict.
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