Five questions non-Muslims would like answered

[Khaled]

^^i ve just read everything, and frankly, u haven''t addressed any of my arguuments.

as far as the two wrongs don't make it right, it's very easy to say that now that the first wrong is commited.

Also, the article gives very different examples that should be addressed seperately (palestine/al quaeda/ iraq/iran are one thing, and Bali/insdonesia are completely different thing), and just know not everything done by muslims is done in the name of islam.

What happeens in Bali and Indonesia is religious extremism.
Alqaeda and palestine is just political.

Also uinderstand that people who are involved with these ssituation have to take sides, and can't just stay out of it. They just pick the lesser evil.

 

[Rukas]

Maybe its late, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

^^i ve just read everything, and frankly, u haven''t addressed any of my arguuments.

Ill go back and do it in a sec, I believe I have mostly though.

as far as the two wrongs don't make it right, it's very easy to say that now that the first wrong is commited.

What? First wrong is commited? What do you mean? Both the wrongs were commited, that doesnt mean that one excuses the other. You cant excuse Muslim terrorists by giving examples of the crusades or other things like that, it just doesnt work, and frankly, makes you seem desperate.

Like I said earlier, ok, I could understand why Iraqi's attack US soldiers for example, it doesnt excuse it, but I understant it. But Bali has not been oppressed by any western wrongs, not that they would excuse their actions anyway.

Also, the article gives very different examples that should be addressed seperately (palestine/al quaeda/ iraq/iran are one thing, and Bali/insdonesia are completely different thing), and just know not everything done by muslims is done in the name of islam.

What happeens in Bali and Indonesia is religious extremism.
Alqaeda and palestine is just political.

How are they different things? They are Muslim terrorists. You cant go picking apart what you think is Islamic terrorism and what isnt to fit your little argument. This article is addressing all Muslim terrorism, not just the politically motivated kind.

Also uinderstand that people who are involved with these ssituation have to take sides, and can't just stay out of it. They just pick the lesser evil.

Bullshit, total and utter bullshit. No one HAS to take sides. No one forced the Bali bombers to take sides. They chose to do it.

What crap.

 

[Jacob]

something about Islam motivates them, or gives them the idea that what they are doing is right. That something is what is being questioned, not Islam as a whole, just a part of it.

Go to google and type in "Islam" and "Warrior Religion" as keywords. The websites you find will present views that are academically debatable, but they should help you understand the scriptural and historic elements of Islam that could be spun in a way that would promote violence.

If nothing else, the Quran teaches that Jews and Christians aren't to be harmed because they're "people of the book." With that said, you can find a variety of passages to justify horrible acts of violence. The same can be said for any religion. The Jewish Talmud also has passages that can be taken out of context and viewed as horrific. The Bhagavad-Gita clearly supports violence in certain instances; and makes it quite clear that warriors are living out their destiny. Sun Tzu's Art of War is a classic Taoist text, and while you can debate whether it necessarily justifies violence, there's no debating that warfare is integral to the text. White Supremists generally quote Biblical passages to support their idiocy.

This is what nut-jobs do: they paint a category people as being sub-human outsiders; and then adopt an ideology to justify violence toward said group of outsiders. It would be a lie to say that Islam is exempt from this sort of thing.

 

[Rukas]

i didn't read all the posts, but i still think these questions are really silly.



when you tell me how i can look at someone who lost his familly in Sabra/Chatila, or lost his children at Quana, and tell him he should lay down his weapons and abandon his fight against israel, I'll be the first to protest against palestinian terrorism.

What about all the other terrorists, they didnt all lose family and werent all oppressed, I give the Bali example again.

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

there are lots of christian palestinian terrorists, but western governments do a great deal to portray terrorists as evil muslims.

Source?

After all, it won't make sense for the western people if the terrorists are normal people just fighting for their rights.

Wow thats a mighty intollerant generalization you just through out there; but I suppose its alright you're attacking the west right?

Generalizing all western people? What a hypocrite, you know damn well if I said all Muslim's are terrorists you'd flip out, yet you're allowed to throw generalizations like that out there? Oh I forgot, its alright to be anti-Anything as long as its not anti-Muslim.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

i know lebanon is a free country, not sure about malaysia
just because we dont have the same concept of freedom doesn't mean muslim countries aren't free.
a simple question: how free is really a us citizen??

Lebanon a free country? Maybe if you're a man; but I know a lot of women that will disagree with you.

No country is ever totally free, but the freedom we are talking about is human rights freedoms and freedom against oppression. In those regards, yes the US is a lot more free than Lebanon or other Muslim nations.

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

so many atrocities are commited by the west in the name of democracy and freedom for the sole purpose of Money.

What has that got to do with anything? As Ive said, that doesnt excuse anything at all.

Some Muslims commit them because nor the UN nore any other government stands up for them when they ask for their rights

Right ok, so Muslims are oppressed by their own government, so Muslim Terrorists lash out at innocent non-Muslims? Right, that makes perfect sense.

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

not all countries (doesn't seem obvious by the way the question is raised)
extremist christian leaders would have done the same, but the US never brought a christian extremist leader to powwer in these countries.

Nonesense. Even if that were true, it wouldnt excuse Muslim terrorists. What part of "stop passing the blame" and "two wrongs dont make a right" do you not understand?

You cant speculate on such things, because you dont know, and it hasnt happened.

Islam is not the problem.
but when someone looses his home, money, familly and self respect, islam is the only thing he has left.

Right, like the terrorists caught in Australia who lived here and had homes, money, family and self respect? Or the Bali terrorists who were never harmed by their victims or the nations they represented? Right.

Face it, some terrorists do it for one simple reason, hatred.

 

[Rukas]

Go to google and type in "Islam" and "Warrior Religion" as keywords. The websites you find will present views that are academically debatable, but they should help you understand the scriptural and historic elements of Islam that could be spun in a way that would promote violence.

If nothing else, the Quran teaches that Jews and Christians aren't to be harmed because they're "people of the book." With that said, you can find a variety of passages to justify horrible acts of violence. The same can be said for any religion. The Jewish Talmud also has passages that can be taken out of context and viewed as horrific. The Bhagavad-Gita clearly supports violence in certain instances; and makes it quite clear that warriors are living out their destiny. Sun Tzu's Art of War is a classic Taoist text, and while you can debate whether it necessarily justifies violence, there's no debating that warfare is integral to the text. White Supremists generally quote Biblical passages to support their idiocy.

This is what nut-jobs do: they paint a category people as being sub-human outsiders; and then adopt an ideology to justify violence toward said group of outsiders. It would be a lie to say that Islam is exempt from this sort of thing.

I dont disagree with anything you said, and just ask that people realize that as you said, Islam is not exempt from this, and is not perfect. I do also think the Islamic exemptions are more extreme and wide spread than any of the other examples.

 

[Khaled]

What? First wrong is commited? What do you mean? Both the wrongs were commited, that doesnt mean that one excuses the other. You cant excuse Muslim terrorists by giving examples of the crusades or other things like that, it just doesnt work, and frankly, makes you seem desperate.

you said it yourself, both wrongs were commited, i wasn't talking about the crusades, i was referring to the west's policy in the region. maybe one doesn't excuse the other, but you don't expect muslims to just give up everything do you?

Like I said earlier, ok, I could understand why Iraqi's attack US soldiers for example, it doesnt excuse it, but I understant it. But Bali has not been oppressed by any western wrongs, not that they would excuse their actions anyway.
How are they different things? They are Muslim terrorists. You cant go picking apart what you think is Islamic terrorism and what isnt to fit your little argument. This article is addressing all Muslim terrorism, not just the politically motivated kind.

i m not defending the bali thing, but the point of the article is "why are muslims terrorists", all i m saying that from the muslim's point of view, Israel and the US are also terrorists in a way. So its like asking: why are the non-christians-terrorists and non-jew-terrorists muslims?
just because bali are muslims, and the Iraquis terrorists are muslims, doesn't mean that terrorism is related to islam.

Bullshit, total and utter bullshit. No one HAS to take sides. No one forced the Bali bombers to take sides. They chose to do it.

What crap.

bali bombers are sick fucks. But that doesn't mean they are the same as palestinians or Iraquis...

 

[Rukas]

you said it yourself, both wrongs were commited, i wasn't talking about the crusades, i was referring to the west's policy in the region. maybe one doesn't excuse the other, but you don't expect muslims to just give up everything do you?

But not all Muslims Terorists are oppressed by the West's policy!

i m not defending the bali thing, but the point of the article is "why are muslims terrorists", all i m saying that from the muslim's point of view, Israel and the US are also terrorists in a way. So its like asking: why are the non-christians-terrorists and non-jew-terrorists muslims?
just because bali are muslims, and the Iraquis terrorists are muslims, doesn't mean that terrorism is related to islam.

What? OF COURSE IT DOES! They even said it does, they said they did it for Allah because the tourists were spreading "filth", drinking and such, they said it was for Islam. So of course its related to Islam!

bali bombers are sick fucks. But that doesn't mean they are the same as palestinians or Iraquis...

They are still Muslim terrorists, and this article wasnt talking about just Palestine or Iraq, it was talking about all muslim terroists. Of course they are not the same group of people, but no one ever said they were, and thats what makes it scarier. Had they all been the same group of people with the same motive and origin it would be easier to dismiss as "crazy," but as you can see terrorists come up independently around the world, without relation, yet want the same thing. Therefor that proves its not actions against them that make them terrorists, because they dont all share the actions, its something else.

 

[not really ken]

I dont disagree with anything you said, and just ask that people realize that as you said, Islam is not exempt from this, and is not perfect. I do also think the Islamic exemptions are more extreme and wide spread than any of the other examples.

Islamic 'exemptions' are not widesprad and more extreme. Please find me one example of this in the Quran. Everything in the Quran is meant to be taken lesson from.

Something like "slay them wherever you find them" would not be an obligation or a order to follow rather would be the course of action commanded when the muslims were themselves attacked ruthlessly. Specific for that time, but meant to be taken lesson from now. Islam does not teach a person to be naive, rather than to respond in accordance with his surroundings and respond with violence as a last measure. When many people quote these 'extreme examples'of 'justifying violence' in the Qu'ran they also fail to quote the part which follows, such as "and to forgive would be better" or "but do not trangress in your reply, as that would be a grave sin"

If you and your livelihood and community are attacked, as a leader, wouldn't you have a war cry? Islam never came and slotted into an ideal world. It came and lived amongst men of all differing kinds of nature. And it also gave people a way of dealing with the different situations that you would face in life.

And its not an islamic agenda to continuosly condem day in day out atrocities commited in the name of Islam, there is no jihad without the declaration from a khalif of an islamic nation anyway.

The riots in Paris? People riot everywhere, LA etc. How come there religious background is never in the spot light.

 

[Khaled]

Source?

google it

Wow thats a mighty intollerant generalization you just through out there; but I suppose its alright you're attacking the west right?

Generalizing all western people? What a hypocrite, you know damn well if I said all Muslim's are terrorists you'd flip out, yet you're allowed to throw generalizations like that out there? Oh I forgot, its alright to be anti-Anything as long as its not anti-Muslim.

come on, every movie about terrorism, you have the typical ruthless arab muslim fundamental, slightly tanned, with a beard.
Did you know for instance that Ben Laden is nothing in AlQuaeda, just the spokesperson.
It's ok, it's normal for the media to portray the ennemy in a certain way.
and don't twist my words, that's obviously the US media's opinion

Lebanon a free country? Maybe if you're a man; but I know a lot of women that will disagree with you.

bullshit, i lived in Lebanon almost all my life.

No country is ever totally free, but the freedom we are talking about is human rights freedoms and freedom against oppression. In those regards, yes the US is a lot more free than Lebanon or other Muslim nations.

not true

What has that got to do with anything? As Ive said, that doesnt excuse anything at all.

i m just answering the question, what makes you think i m trying to excuse all terrorist acts????????????????/

Right ok, so Muslims are oppressed by their own government,

where did i say that?????

Nonesense. Even if that were true, it wouldnt excuse Muslim terrorists.

again, just answering the question

You cant speculate on such things, because you dont know, and it hasnt happened.

speculate on what? isn't that the definition of extremism???

 

[Rukas]

Islamic 'exemptions' are not widesprad and more extreme. Please find me one example of this in the Quran. Everything in the Quran is meant to be taken lesson from.

I didnt mean teachings or whats in the Quran, I meant exemptions as in people; as in terrorists.

The riots in Paris? People riot everywhere, LA etc. How come there religious background is never in the spot light.

I actually agree with that, its stupid that they are labelled like that. The people are not rioting because they are Muslim, they just happen to be Muslims who are rioting because someone was killed.

 

[Khaled]

What? OF COURSE IT DOES! They even said it does, they said they did it for Allah because the tourists were spreading "filth", drinking and such, they said it was for Islam. So of course its related to Islam!

They are still Muslim terrorists, and this article wasnt talking about just Palestine or Iraq, it was talking about all muslim terroists. Of course they are not the same group of people, but no one ever said they were, and thats what makes it scarier. Had they all been the same group of people with the same motive and origin it would be easier to dismiss as "crazy," but as you can see terrorists come up independently around the world, without relation, yet want the same thing. Therefor that proves its not actions against them that make them terrorists, because they dont all share the actions, its something else.

they don't want the same thing, that's what i ve been trying to say. Do you honestly think suicide bombers in Palestine want the same thing as the bali bombers, or the indonesian muslim murderers.

The way i see it, both the muslim "terrorists" and the west have the same problem: both paranoid and thinking the other side is there to get them.

i said it before, not all terrorists are muslims, but somehow, you fail to see that.

 

[Rukas]

google it

Its your burden of proof, not mine. You google it.

come on, every movie about terrorism, you have the typical ruthless arab muslim fundamental, slightly tanned, with a beard.
Did you know for instance that Ben Laden is nothing in AlQuaeda, just the spokesperson.
It's ok, it's normal for the media to portray the ennemy in a certain way.
and don't twist my words, that's obviously the US media's opinion

"Bin Laden"

Whats your point anyway? I know the media generalizes Islamic terrorists, the MEDIA. So why does that give you the right to generalize ALL of the West?

bullshit, i lived in Lebanon almost all my life.

Sure its improving, but women still dont have the same equal rights.

I remember a few years ago they were being tortured in jail pre-trial.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=women+in+lebanon&btnG=Search&meta=

not true

LOL, of course it is. Show me how Lebanon is freer than the US, or as free?

i m just answering the question, what makes you think i m trying to excuse all terrorist acts????????????????/

You answer questions with questions?

where did i say that?????

You said, " Some Muslims commit them because nor the UN nore any other government stands up for them when they ask for their rights"

1. Their rights from who? Their rights from their government.
2. Their government is part of "any other government."

You clearly said this, how can you deny it?

again, just answering the question

You didnt answer anything, you asked another question.

Seriously, do you even remember the things you say, or do you change your story all the time?

speculate on what? isn't that the definition of extremism???

You specualte on what christian extremists would do to excuse what muslim extremists do do.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why there are no Christian Extremists in power, and no, the US not putting them in power is not a valid answer, because the US did not put all Muslim extremists in power either.

 

[Rukas]

they don't want the same thing, that's what i ve been trying to say. Do you honestly think suicide bombers in Palestine want the same thing as the bali bombers, or the indonesian muslim murderers.

The way i see it, both the muslim "terrorists" and the west have the same problem: both paranoid and thinking the other side is there to get them.

i said it before, not all terrorists are muslims, but somehow, you fail to see that.

What? Where did I say all terrorists were Muslim? I didnt. What you fail to see is that this article and this discussion is about Muslim terrorists, not all terrorists, and that is why we are discussing Muslim terrorists. You also fail to see that there being non-Muslim terrorists does not excuse the fact that there are Muslim terrorists.

How many times do I have to say two wrongs dont make a right before it sinks into your head and you stop shifting the blame?

 

[Khaled]

Its your burden of proof, not mine. You google it.

i know people, christians, who have been labled as terrorists

Whats your point anyway? I know the media generalizes Islamic terrorists, the MEDIA. So why does that give you the right to generalize ALL of the West?

i was stating the media s opinion.

Sure its improving, but women still dont have the same equal rights.

yes they do

LOL, of course it is. Show me how Lebanon is freer than the US, or as free?

WTF? i don t have to show you n e thing, you're claiming it's not free

You said, " Some Muslims commit them because nor the UN nore any other government stands up for them when they ask for their rights"

1. Their rights from who? Their rights from their government. (no, the international community)
2. Their government is part of "any other government. (their gov is the one asking for help)"

right to go back home?? (palestinians )
right to resist occupation?? (lebanese from israel)

it's funny how fast the UN responds when Syria is at fault, and doesn't do shit when Israel is at fault

governments are sponsoring terrorism because the international community are rejecting their requests

You didnt answer anything, you asked another question.

Seriously, do you even remember the things you say, or do you change your story all the time?

i did answer

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

so many atrocities are commited by the west in the name of democracy and freedom for the sole purpose of Money. Some Muslims commit them because nor the UN nore any other government stands up for them when they ask for their rights

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

not all countries (doesn't seem obvious by the way the question is raised)
extremist christian leaders would have done the same, but the US never brought a christian extremist leader to powwer in these countries.

You specualte on what christian extremists would do to excuse what muslim extremists do do.

i m not excusing n e thing, i m saying muslim terrorist are not better nor worse than non muslim terrorists. but the article makes it a point to say that Muslims terrorists are different because they are muslims

Perhaps you should ask yourself why there are no Christian Extremists in power

why would i ask myself that, i don t give a shit

the US did not put all Muslim extremists in power either.

Lybia, Iran, Iraq...

How many times do I have to say two wrongs dont make a right before it sinks into your head and you stop shifting the blame?

this is getting old, as i said, say this to someone who has lost his familly in Quana, and tell me how it works out

 

[Rukas]

yes they do

No they dont.

We have Lebanese imigrants moving to Australia and being raped by Lebanese men here because they've been taught those women are nothing, below them, and are to be used.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/WRMCEDAW2000.html

You cant tell me that "honour killings" and rape does not go on, if thats what you're saying then you are either in denial or totally blind.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/AIannual2004.pdf

i m not excusing n e thing, i m saying muslim terrorist are not better nor worse than non muslim terrorists. but the article makes it a point to say that Muslims terrorists are different because they are muslims

Of course they are different. IRA did terrorists acts against the Government for freedom, they had a laid out political agenda, it was a civil war in one nation. Muslim Terrorists attack the whole world with no set demands or political agenda, they kill due to hatred, they blow up tourist locations because they know there will be westerners there and they want to kill them.

Regardless of that being true, the article didnt even make that claim at all, show me where the article stated it? It didnt.

why would i ask myself that, i don t give a shit

Well thats your problem.

Lybia, Iran, Iraq...

Thats not all. Jordan isnt, Bali isnt, Egypt isnt...

See whats funny, is you hate people generalizing things that go AGAINST Muslims, yet you have no problem with generalizing to DEFEND Muslims. Come on now.

this is getting old, as i said, say this to someone who has lost his familly in Quana, and tell me how it works out

Whats getting old is that excuse because it does not apply to all terrorists and does not excuse anything nor explain the big picture.

 

[Jurhum]

No they dont.

We have Lebanese imigrants moving to Australia and being raped by Lebanese men here because they've been taught those women are nothing, below them, and are to be used.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/WRMCEDAW2000.html

Black, White, and Mexicans also rape women because they were taught that those women are nothing but bitches, hoes and sluts. Do we blame that on Christianity?

Now, priests have been and are still raping young kids and that's where you should focus more on, Rukas. Is that what Christianity teaches? If I were as ignorant as you are or if I had my head way up my butt just like you, I would blame Christianity for that. But, I'm way more intelligent and enlightened to be that dumb.

You cant tell me that "honour killings" and rape does not go on, if thats what you're saying then you are either in denial or totally blind.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/AIannual2004.pdf

No one says honour killing doesn't occur in rural areas where life is mostly based on tribal traditions. But, Islam has nothing to do with that. It's those men and how they were raised because of their parents or parent in most cases, that shapes their mentality. Islam doesn't and never did support honour killing. For one, it goes against the teaching of Islam.

In situations where a female and a male engage in premarital sex yes, there is a punishment according to Islam. From the Quraan, it's to whip both of them 100 times as a punishment, as there is a punishment for thieves, also.

Of course they are different. IRA did terrorists acts against the Government for freedom, they had a laid out political agenda, it was a civil war in one nation. Muslim Terrorists attack the whole world with no set demands or political agenda, they kill due to hatred, they blow up tourist locations because they know there will be westerners there and they want to kill them.

The article discusses Palestinian rebels and labeled them as terrorists. How is that any different than the IRA. Palestinian are fighting to regain the land that the Jews pillaged them out of. They have an agenda, also.

In Iraq, insurgents are fighting off the US army and the people supporting it. How is that any different? In Afghanistan, people are fighting the US occupation.

Regardless of that being true, the article didnt even make that claim at all, show me where the article stated it? It didnt.

Proves your stupidity and your hatred of Islam.

See whats funny, is you hate people generalizing things that go AGAINST Muslims, yet you have no problem with generalizing to DEFEND Muslims. Come on now.

No. I hate people who claim false things and try to blame Islam for them. Islam is never at fault. Islam will never say sorry to anything that it is not responsible for. That's what you want Rukas? Guess what? You're not getting it. You know why? Because Islam has and never was in any fault. If people did things and tried to put it on Islam, I guess those people ought to be punished but not Islam.

Whats getting old is that excuse because it does not apply to all terrorists and does not excuse anything nor explain the big picture.

What is funny is your pathetic attempts at demoralising and trying to distort the perfect picture of Islam.

You know what? It's about time you stop your hate for Islam.

 

[Rukas]

Black, White, and Mexicans also rape women because they were taught that those women are nothing but bitches, hoes and sluts. Do we blame that on Christianity?

Now, priests have been and are still raping young kids and that's where you should focus more on, Rukas. Is that what Christianity teaches? If I were as ignorant as you are or if I had my head way up my butt just like you, I would blame Christianity for that. But, I'm way more intelligent and enlightened to be that dumb.

Nonsense, rapists who happen to be Christian do not quote the Bible, or say that according to their faith, they are allowed to rape women.

And when did I blame Islam for the rapings? I simply pointed out that Lebanon isnt as free as people like to think. Did I hit a nerve? Because you're awfuly defensive, going as far as to attack things I never said. Thats not enlightened, more like desperate .

No one says honour killing doesn't occur in rural areas where life is mostly based on tribal traditions. But, Islam has nothing to do with that. It's those men and how they were raised because of their parents or parent in most cases, that shapes their mentality. Islam doesn't and never did support honour killing. For one, it goes against the teaching of Islam.

Islam support al-urf laws, to which honour killing belongs. The fact is certain Muslim's believe it is their right to perform honour killings, sure maybe you dont, but they do, and they point to their faith to justify it.

In situations where a female and a male engage in premarital sex yes, there is a punishment according to Islam. From the Quraan, it's to whip both of them 100 times as a punishment, as there is a punishment for thieves, also.

Thats barberic in itself, I wouldnt even whip an animal. If you dont see that that preaches violence, then you should really revaluate your perception of violence.

I suppose you think lethal stoning isnt violent either, its a form of freedom right? Riiiggghhtt.

I suppose you think women have equal rights, when the Quran labels them as farmland (Sura 2:223), or allows husbands to beat their wives (Sura 4:34) . Equal rights right? Thats freedom?

The article discusses Palestinian rebels and labeled them as terrorists. How is that any different than the IRA. Palestinian are fighting to regain the land that the Jews pillaged them out of. They have an agenda, also.

Right, I support Palestinians rights and cause. If Palestinians were the only terrorists, your argument would hold some groud, but they arent, so it doesnt.

In Iraq, insurgents are fighting off the US army and the people supporting it. How is that any different? In Afghanistan, people are fighting the US occupation.

Ive already said that people fighting US soldiers is understandable, so whats your point?

That still doesnt excuse all the other Muslim terrorism in the world.

Proves your stupidity and your hatred of Islam.

LOL, yeah right. So what you're saying is you cant prove it so you'll just resort to saying I hate Islam. Riiiighhhtt... You know a few years ago I was considering converting to Islam? No you didnt. Answer the questions or shut up, but dont try to insult me, it only shows how desperate you are to win what you see as a fight, by any means you can, instead of discussing the facts.

No. I hate people who claim false things and try to blame Islam for them. Islam is never at fault.

Thats why no one can ever discuss things with you, you're a brick wall. You'll blame everyone and everything, even other Muslims by saying their not proper Muslims although they would say the same thing about you, but no, you're automatically right, because Islam is never wrong, right? Sorry but thats bullshit.

Islam will never say sorry to anything that it is not responsible for. That's what you want Rukas? Guess what? You're not getting it. You know why? Because Islam has and never was in any fault. If people did things and tried to put it on Islam, I guess those people ought to be punished but not Islam.


You do know that the Quran has been wrong about things right? Fuck it, I didnt want to, but Im making a seperate thread about this.

http://www.streethop.com/forum/thread152505.html


[quote[What is funny is your pathetic attempts at demoralising and trying to distort the perfect picture of Islam. [/quote] Perfect? You're blind, read above.

You know what? It's about time you stop your hate for Islam.

I dont hate or like Islam any more or any less than any other religion.

 

[Khaled]

No they dont.

We have Lebanese imigrants moving to Australia and being raped by Lebanese men here because they've been taught those women are nothing, below them, and are to be used.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/WRMCEDAW2000.html

You cant tell me that "honour killings" and rape does not go on, if thats what you're saying then you are either in denial or totally blind.

http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Lebanon/AIannual2004.pdf


Of course they are different. IRA did terrorists acts against the Government for freedom, they had a laid out political agenda, it was a civil war in one nation. Muslim Terrorists attack the whole world with no set demands or political agenda, they kill due to hatred, they blow up tourist locations because they know there will be westerners there and they want to kill them.

Regardless of that being true, the article didnt even make that claim at all, show me where the article stated it? It didnt.



Well thats your problem.


Thats not all. Jordan isnt, Bali isnt, Egypt isnt...

See whats funny, is you hate people generalizing things that go AGAINST Muslims, yet you have no problem with generalizing to DEFEND Muslims. Come on now.


Whats getting old is that excuse because it does not apply to all terrorists and does not excuse anything nor explain the big picture.

I'm not the one generalizing, i ve been saying that some muslims have very good reasons to hate the west, others don't. You're the one bringing up Bali when I'm defending Palestine, as if they are all the same.

Also, honour killing is against the law in Lebanon. And you cannot blame islam for some morons who still think like that. You're saying it's islam's fault because these people are doing it for Islam. Well, didn't the KKK quote the bible to justify their actions?
Also, honour killings occured also among christians.

 

[Rukas]

^^ Im sure they do.

Try to understand this, fucking hell you're annoying the shit out of me. I AM NOT COMPARING ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY, I DONT CARE WHAT CHRISTIANS DO, IT DOESNT EXCUSE WHAT MUSLIMS DO, WE ARE NOT COMPARING RELIGION, STOP DEFENDING ISLAM BY SAYING OTHER PEOPLE DO WHATEVER THE FUCK EVER.

Read that over and over again until you understand it. Im not saying Christianity is better than Islam or vice versa, STOP MAKING IT ABOUT THAT.

 

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I'm not the one generalizing, i ve been saying that some muslims have very good reasons to hate the west, others don't. You're the one bringing up Bali when I'm defending Palestine, as if they are all the same.

Also, honour killing is against the law in Lebanon. And you cannot blame islam for some morons who still think like that. You're saying it's islam's fault because these people are doing it for Islam. Well, didn't the KKK quote the bible to justify their actions?
Also, honour killings occured also among christians.

Yea, the whole religion of Islam is being blamed for an act a tiny portion of them did. Why not blame all White people as a whole for making the KKK, which also killed thousands of non-whites. Why not blame White people as a whole for creating the Nazi organization. Why not blame White people as a whole for "exploring" in the New World and massacring millions of Native Americans, and I wonder why still some White Americans say they are true Americans.