Dutch seek ban on burqas in public

[Illuminattile]

no illuminati i obviously dont think theres a valid reason, you have to realize that some of these women are doing it sincerely for God as i already have mentioned. Their reaction should be self explanatory, they wont give it up for a man made law which is minor (due to the fact that its not implemented anywhere else), the belief they have in God and the faith they have far outweighs their fears of consequences in this life, for they are focused on the next.

And that's one of the reasons integrating people of different faiths into one society is so difficult. Personal religious beliefs will always override a country's laws or customs.

 

[not really ken]

^It was a religious belief before it was a countries law! A law which is a grey area and the logic behind this law doesn't hold. LEt's start banning the show of tatoos, the reason and logic behind it? I'll manufacture those when you ask.

The whole security thing is non-existant. It's just scare mongering. The gun analogy doesn't stand, that;s a dangerous weapon which can be taken of the people who are allowed to carry them and used for harm, when was the last time a burqa was taken of a womens head and used for harm?

Personal religious beliefs are not overriding the countries laws for most muslims, we are allowed to marry up to four women and give them legal rights of man and wife, in Britain, the only option we have is to have multiple partners (not neccesary for them to know about each other, or rather, better if they didn't know about each other) but not give them legal rights of man and wife, therefore we choose neither option and stick to plain jane one wife.

INterest mortgages are forbidden, yet we take only one, for the reason that, 'it is the law of the land and that's how the system works'. How do we override this law? We don't, we obey or emigrate, there is no 'override the countries law option there'!

I pay approx £145 ($260US) a week in tax on my wages and other self employed incomes, money which is funding a war in Iraq against other muslims, yet I pay, we pay week after week. Taking home roughly £400-£600 a week, I then pay of tax on every penny I spend.

Why do I tell you this? Because the people I associate with, absolutely hate this feeling in the British media that we have a distaste for Britain and it's people, we don't, I was born and bred in this country, in an NHS hospital, socialsim which I and many others like me are proud to fund. I have a broad Yorkshire accent, broader than many anglo-saxon people I know, they tell me this. I am glad this country afforded me an A grade education. THe best in the world, I can testify

Just recently my nephews both had the flu, I know I was glad that the Centre for Disease control in America is working round the clock to make this years vaccine available, vaccine that my nephews took to renew their health.

So a few muslim women walk around trying to please God, whether you agree that they do please God or not is irrelevant, they, in their own little microcosm feel they do. And for what it's worth, I don't entirely agree with them, but that's just me.
To be honest, living in Britain and as a Briton, I worry more about what it signifie about the men of this country where you have women on a weekend going around dressed half-naked no matter how inclement the weather.

Don't fear the burqa, fear you own ignorance (cheesy I know)

And customs? In Britain? That's a laugh! We're a mongrel society (j/k)

 

[Duke]

their not towels, they are garments or scarves if u will. same thing nuns wear in christianity, same purpose too, modesty and being humble. if calling them "towels" was a joke, then i hope im not the first to inform you that its not a joking matter

That's why I put it in quotation marks, crybaby.

And the law would still be just as relevant if it was someone wearing bathing towels around their head, it doesn't matter if it's a religious scarf or a blood stained piece of cotton, the point is the head being covered in "something".

 

[Jokerman]

How about Batman? Would he be affected?

 

[Preach]

I guess girls can go on tv and on the streets dressing with basically nothing on and showing off their body, only to gain looks by men seeing them as nothing more than objects, but girls who choose to cover themselves fully are getting banned from doing so...go figure

that sounds just awesome and it makes sense when you say it like that. omg what a materialistic world. but do you really believe this?

i'm with illuminattile on this one. public safety > irrational beliefs. i actually once caught a muslim chick stealing in the store i used to work at a year back. she put a laptop up under her clothes and started running. i grabbed her, she dropped the computer to the floor, shook me off and started running like a motherfucker. anyway, the police weren't able to identify her on the video cameras but she, along with her muslim chick gang, got busted in the next town.

anyway, point being that i actually witnessed one of those bastards commit a crime and not get busted BECAUSE she was wearing a burqa. so yeah.

 

[Preach]

their not towels, they are garments or scarves if u will. same thing nuns wear in christianity, same purpose too, modesty and being humble. if calling them "towels" was a joke, then i hope im not the first to inform you that its not a joking matter

if you can't appreciate the fact that someone who's grown up in the western world don't fully understand and appreciate what seems to us as stupid, old traditions with no meaning what so ever, then i don't know what to tell you. i'll respect anything really, but i'm not gonna be as stiff about it as a muslim because this is not part of my reality so i couldn't really give a fuck. maybe that's not fair, maybe it is. you seem a little caught up in how i should adapt to you, when you obviously don't want to adapt to me.

i wrote all of this assuming you're muslim. if you're not, let's pretend you have an imaginary friend who's muslim and i'm saying all of this to him.

 

[Jokerman]

Then there's always the problem of this:

"Burka bandits"

http://www.officer.com/news/IBS/wcau/news-2510065.html

 

[ImmortalTech]

I see everyone bitching lately that muslims dont adapt to us, and expect others to adapt to them... Now remember we are talking about the west the home of the "free". Muslims do not believe in revealing their bodies to the opposite sex (before marriage) that goes for both men and women. I dont remember the last time Muslims bitched about men not wearing t-shirts in public, or women dressed indecently. Yet everyday I hear somebody bitchin about Muslim girls wearing Hijab or Burkha's and daily I hear of Muslim mens that are having trouble finding Jobs since the Beard they decide to keep does not fit the norm of our society. And who the fuck are you to say that someone elses beleifs or relation with God is "irrational". Now if u speek on the misconceptions the uneducated people of the west have on Islams view on Jihad and the Kuffar, yes u can call that irrational, and i will call it ignorance in certain Islamic groups and exploitation of their views by the media.

Burkhas are not necissary to Muslim women, but it is a part of Islam, that many women choose to follow individually (not because the taliban forced them)

Lets get passed the faith point of view and calling it "irrational" just because its something your not used to. If you look at it from a security point of view, i slightly see why it may be a concern. But lets get real. If the people were really concerned about safety. Why not for example start with a big problem in almost all societies.. Crime under the influence of Alcahol. Rapes, Murders, Robberies, Accidents, Vandalism, almost any crime you can think of there has been several incidents where the crime was basically committed due to the influence of alcohol. So for public safety shouldnt alcahol be banned from society? Why is it that our law (atleast Canadian Law) protects criminals that commited crimes under the influence with lighter penalties? this is Something that has broken families AND started them unintentionally. But wait we cant ban alcahol, we enjoy it too much right? We shouldnt ban it because the majority of people that use it use it responsibly.

So my question is why the double standard, why is it that everything that we were raised acustom to is ok, even if it is proven wrong, and potentially harmful, is ok and rational? Why do we only accept what is benificial to us?.. I know we dont like admitting this, but most of us believe our culture is superior to others.

We live in the land of the free: free to drink, smoke, commit adultry, then dont take up resposibility for many of our mistakes, talk shit about other religions and cultures. We were born in, live in, and most of us will die in ignorance.

~peace

 

[B-art]

So my question is why the double standard, why is it that everything that we were raised acustom to is ok, even if it is proven wrong, and potentially harmful, is ok and rational? Why do we only accept what is benificial to us?.. I know we dont like admitting this, but most of us believe our culture is superior to others.

We live in the land of the free: free to drink, smoke, commit adultry, then dont take up resposibility for many of our mistakes, talk shit about other religions and cultures. We were born in, live in, and most of us will die in ignorance.

~peace

I agree with your entire post, especially this part. :thumb: