Drugs

[MX Red]

natural drugs, like weed, should be legal. Synthetic drugs should still be illegal.

No offence but this is one of the stupitest arguments i have heared while debating this topic with my peers. What about Heroin and cocaine? Some of the worlds most harmfull drugs but yet they should be legal because they come from the ground - Not sure how people construct this argument - it doesnt matter where the drugs come from, if any kind of debate should be had it should be done on the net effects of each drug and not its place of origin?
peace
MX!

 

[imported_MAKaveli_10]

drugs are bad for you.

 

[feichen]

drugs are bad mkay
let's ban all drugs, man ! ban weed ! ban alcohol ! ban mediscines!

 

[stefanwzyga]

Cannabis should be legalized but anything stronger I'd have trouble with.

Im curious what other drugs have you tried? just so i understand which ones you have a problem with.

 

[Zero Cool]

Im curious what other drugs have you tried? just so i understand which ones you have a problem with.

I've tried Ectasy and Coke. Unlike Cannabis which is a soft recreational drug, the other two (and others like Heroin or LSD) have real long-term side effects (addiction, withdrawl symptoms etc.) and pose a significant threat to people's health. Therefore I would not support their legalization.

 

[stefanwzyga]

I've tried Ectasy and Coke. Unlike Cannabis which is a soft recreational drug, the other two (and others like Heroin or LSD) have real long-term side effects (addiction, withdrawl symptoms etc.) and pose a significant threat to people's health. Therefore I would not support their legalization.

Ok what long term side effects are you saying you get from speed acid and x ?

 

[Zero Cool]

Ok what long term side effects are you saying you get from speed acid and x ?

Speed has been shown to be very detrimental for your brain and the long-term state of your mental health. As for Ectasy no-one is sure of the long-term side effects yet but as a Drug it is quite dangerous (especially as most of the time you have no way of knowing if it's pure or not) and has been known to lead to heart attacks in numerous cases.

 

[stefanwzyga]

Speed has been shown to be very detrimental for your brain and the long-term state of your mental health. As for Ectasy no-one is sure of the long-term side effects yet but as a Drug it is quite dangerous (especially as most of the time you have no way of knowing if it's pure or not) and has been known to lead to heart attacks in numerous cases.

There is more people who die each year in the uk from swalling there tongue after booze binging than taking speed or X, i dont hear any shoutouts to ban that.

 

[MX Red]

I think your all looking at this from the wrong perspective. To try and base your arguments around the merits of each drugs will get you no-where. To argue whether drugs are harmfull or not is a fruitless argument and quite beside the point - drugs are harmfull, but not on the mass scale zero cool is talking of, you are talking extreems - and by the way when im taking my pills on the weekend im not worried about what the MDMA will do to me, im worried about what the kitchen chemists have put in, which is a direct effect of prohibition.
The argument is whether prohibition is causing more damage to society and the user than legalisation would, the harms related to drug use are for the user and the user only to decide - legal moralism does not help the situation, legal moralism always involves setting up a straw man as you are dealing with conceptions of right and wrong with no gray area. Whether we have a natural right to use drugs is not what our drug policy should be based on, that is something for philosiphers to decide - public policy should always have the best intrestests of the public at heart, my argument is that prohibition is causing most of the problems accosiated with drugs - before you even start dealing with drugs and their effects! Debating the merits of each drug wont solve the argument - it only seperates those who do take drugs and those who dont - what good is this argument?
peace
MX!

 

[Zero Cool]

And Zero Cool although you are correct in what your saying that drugs are harmful - one has to ask who are you

He asked of my opinion, I gave it.

 

[MX Red]

^^^
Sorry that last bit was the first thing i was gonna post!

 

[stefanwzyga]

I think your all looking at this from the wrong perspective. To try and base your arguments around the merits of each drugs will get you no-where. To argue whether drugs are harmfull or not is a fruitless argument and quite beside the point - drugs are harmfull, but not on the mass scale zero cool is talking of, you are talking extreems - and by the way when im taking my pills on the weekend im not worried about what the MDMA will do to me, im worried about what the kitchen chemists have put in, which is a direct effect of prohibition.
The argument is whether prohibition is causing more damage to society and the user than legalisation would, the harms related to drug use are for the user and the user only to decide - legal moralism does not help the situation, legal moralism always involves setting up a straw man as you are dealing with conceptions of right and wrong with no gray area. Whether we have a natural right to use drugs is not what our drug policy should be based on, that is something for philosiphers to decide - public policy should always have the best intrestests of the public at heart, my argument is that prohibition is causing most of the problems accosiated with drugs - before you even start dealing with drugs and their effects! Debating the merits of each drug wont solve the argument - it only seperates those who do take drugs and those who dont - what good is this argument?
peace
MX!


Stefanwzyga, although i agree with what your saying - there are undoubtly a safty aspect with taking any drug, especially X since people dont know the purity of what there taking (But what i will say is this, when im taking my pills on the weekend im not worried about what the MDMA will do to me, im worried about what the kitchen chemists have put in, which is a direct effect of prohibition), and most drugs to carry a risk with taking them. And Zero Cool although you are correct in what your saying that drugs are harmful - one has to ask who are you

Why do you say there is a safty aspect especially about popping X? smack,speed an basically any other drug bought on the streets is cut with all sorts of shit,I know only to well exessive drug use is bad news. I know hundreds an i do mean hundreds of peeps who have been taking X basically every weekend since 1988 an there aint nothing wrong with them, the reason im saying that is cuz zerocool was talking on it an for me if you aint lived it, well i dont think you can know to much about it, i also think if you have only been droping X for 4 or 5 years you dont know shit about it either.

 

[MX Red]

Mate i wasnt appealing to your ego^^^

Couldnt care what drugs youve done, or who you know - if you read what i said instead of skimming through you would realise that you just re-wrote what i already said, not only in that post you quoted but earlier in the thread also - what the hell do u think a kitchen chemist is?

By the way disregard the last parahraph of my post, thats what i was gonna post but then re-worded it and forgot to delete it!
peace
MX!

 

[stefanwzyga]

Mate i wasnt appealing to your ego^^^

Couldnt care what drugs youve done, or who you know - if you read what i said instead of skimming through you would realise that you just re-wrote what i already said, not only in that post you quoted but earlier in the thread also - what the hell do u think a kitchen chemist is?

By the way disregard the last parahraph of my post, thats what i was gonna post but then re-worded it and forgot to delete it!
peace
MX!

Errr... well it was the last parahgraph i was talking about you know the one when you spoke my name at the start You said esecially X i was wondering why you said that.

 

[Chronic]

When used right, the positives outway the negatives.
In reality though, the balance depends on the drug.

 

[MX Red]

reading the post is always a good way of finding that out... you do know MDMA is ecstasy right? that paragraph was pretty self explanitory!
peace
MX!

 

[stefanwzyga]

reading the post is always a good way of finding that out... you do know MDMA is ecstasy right? that paragraph was pretty self explanitory!
peace
MX!

For the third time,i dont understand why you said there's a safty aspect with taking any drug especially X cuz the people dont know the purity, smack heads dont know the purity of the shit there taking, same with speed freaks, or any other dude dabling with narcotics, so thats what im getting at, are you trying to tell me its more dangerous to take x at the weekend than it is to be shooting up smack?

 

[stefanwzyga]

Mate i wasnt appealing to your ego^^^

Couldnt care what drugs youve done, or who you know - if you read what i said instead of skimming through you would realise that you just re-wrote what i already said, not only in that post you quoted but earlier in the thread also - what the hell do u think a kitchen chemist is?

By the way disregard the last parahraph of my post, thats what i was gonna post but then re-worded it and forgot to delete it!
peace
MX!

And by the way the only person who has mouthed of about poping pills here is you.

 

[MX Red]

Ahh i see, like i said i re-worded that - that really wasnt meant to be posted up.

But in answer to your question, no X isnt more dangerous to take on the weekend than shooting up smack - but nither is it any safer in the context were talking - if your talking about purity of drugs i dont think it makes any difference what drug your talking about - if its cut with something fatal whether your taking crack heroin or pills it wouldnt make any difference would it?
peace
MX!

 

[stefanwzyga]

Ahh i see, like i said i re-worded that - that really wasnt meant to be posted up.

But in answer to your question, no X isnt more dangerous to take on the weekend than shooting up smack - but nither is it any safer in the context were talking - if your talking about purity of drugs i dont think it makes any difference what drug your talking about - if its cut with something fatal whether your taking crack heroin or pills it wouldnt make any difference would it?
peace
MX!

No it would'nt, thats why i never understood why you said especially X.