I completely agree with the sentence, the death penalty for drug trafficking is not aimed at just Australians, it is put forth against anyone who is/was involved in such acts. I remember many of you in the thread about the islamic dress code, mainly about the veil, alot of you were screaming at those who apposed such laws as the removal of the veil in public schools 'if you dont like it than go back to where you came from'. well hey if these idiots dont like that country's law concerning drug trafficking then they should have thought about the consequences first.
Drug Smuggling & the death penalty
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That is not the issue - people obviously didnt read the topic well:
THEY ARE BEING TRIED IN INDONESIA, that is not questionable, as it is an breach of an Indonesian law, they were arrested there - the Australian Government, however, would prefer THEY SERVED AN IMPRISONMENT SENTENCE ON OUR TERRITORY to avoid a death sentence, as can be done. No one is denying they did wrong (although Corby may be innocent), but our legal system does not advocate capital punnishment, so we seek to spare our citizens lives.
On an aside, last night on the news I saw footage of the Indonesian authorities manhandling the evidence with no gloves or anything - showing it off to the media. Seemed off to me that they should not be allowed to touch the evidence at all, let alone parade it around in front of the cameras, showing how it was strapped to the bodies etc....
THEY ARE BEING TRIED IN INDONESIA, that is not questionable, as it is an breach of an Indonesian law, they were arrested there - the Australian Government, however, would prefer THEY SERVED AN IMPRISONMENT SENTENCE ON OUR TERRITORY to avoid a death sentence, as can be done. No one is denying they did wrong (although Corby may be innocent), but our legal system does not advocate capital punnishment, so we seek to spare our citizens lives.
On an aside, last night on the news I saw footage of the Indonesian authorities manhandling the evidence with no gloves or anything - showing it off to the media. Seemed off to me that they should not be allowed to touch the evidence at all, let alone parade it around in front of the cameras, showing how it was strapped to the bodies etc....
These kids are stupid morons, and you can't help stupid people. The guy risked his life for 10G's!!!. He even had a job working for his parents. There's some people that are just too stupid to help sometimes, I hope they escape the death penalty but damn, risking your life for 10g's??? the dickhead probably made that in less than half a year when working haha,
to summy view up in a brief moment of soberiety (maybe not) No matter how horrible the punishment there will always be heroin smugglers, because they can make a large profit, and they know that their chances of being caught are pretty gosh danged low - you can only search a tiny proportion of luggage/people on every flight. Therefore the government imposing the death penalty for drug smuggling is effectively making a conscious decision to kill a certain number of people a year - the unlucky ones who got caught. In my humble opinion the effect of the deterrent which they are presenting are not equal to the costs in loss of life.
i will get to the responses to my earlier posts in a while sorry of to lecture
i will get to the responses to my earlier posts in a while sorry of to lecture
Distraught Corby dodges death
19:55 AEST Thu Apr 21 2005
A distraught Schapelle Corby tearfully whispered that her "life was over" after an Indonesian prosecutor dropped calls for the death sentence, only to demand she spend the rest of her life behind bars in Bali.
Despite taking a tranquiliser, the 27-year-old seemed inconsolable as she screamed and sobbed in a holding cell immediately after the latest hearing.
Prosecutor Ida Bagus Wiswantanu asked the Denpasar District Court to find Corby "officially and convincingly guilty" of attempting to smuggle 4.2 kilograms of marijuana into Denpasar airport last year in her boogie board bag.
"The defendant's actions can ruin the image of Bali as a tourist destination," he told the panel of three judges who must ultimately determine her fate.
"The defendant's actions can make Bali look like a drug haven and affect young people's lives."
Wiswantanu told the packed court he had not asked for the death penalty, partly because the former beauty student had been polite during her trial and had no prior drug record.
But he maintained that his prosecution team had proven Corby's wrongdoing despite her repeated pleas of innocence and claims that she had been the unwitting victim of an alleged drug ring operating at Australian airports.
He also asked the court to impose a 100 million rupiah ($13,500) fine.
"We can imagine, that amount of marijuana, how many people can consume it," Wiswantanu said, warning it was enough for 4,200 people.
Corby, who collapsed with stress and illness during her last two court appearances, was given a sedative before arriving at the court in a prison bus.
With 10-officer police escort, she walked - handcuffed and unsteady - through a chaotic media scrum and then sat quietly through most of the two-hour hearing.
But as the prosecutor explained his demand for life imprisonment, she began crying.
When the sentence request was complete, she turned to her Balinese interpreter and said "my life is over".
Thursday's submission by the prosecution is only a recommendation.
It will be up to the three judges to determine Corby's guilt or innocence and impose any sentence, which could be higher or lower than the prosecutors' recommendation.
The judges are not expected to hand down a verdict for several weeks.
Corby maintains she is not guilty.
At the end of the latest proceedings, Corby walked to her sister Mercedes in the public gallery and cried: "It's not fair."
The pair hugged in tears over a barrier separating them.
"It's okay, it's okay," Mercedes consoled her.
About 30 Australian onlookers in the court were equally shocked. "I think it's terrible," one woman said.
If the judges agree with the prosecutor in their verdict, Corby will spend the rest of her life in prison, although she might qualify for yearly remissions after five years.
The life sentence could also be capped at 20 years for good behaviour.
A grief-stricken Corby was taken to a holding cell where she sat wailing in a high-pitched scream with her Perth cousin Melissa Younger.
"I was under the impression it was going to be a fair trial," Younger said afterwards.
"I don't think it is, but we will see what the judges say."
The trial was adjourned until next Thursday when her defence lawyers will reply to the prosecution's submission.
Corby's lawyer Lely Lubis said the legal process for Corby was not yet over.
She said she had asked her client to be strong but admitted stress was taking its toll.
"Anybody can go crazy after seven months like this. Anyone can get depression from this," Lubis said.
©AAP 2005
19:55 AEST Thu Apr 21 2005
A distraught Schapelle Corby tearfully whispered that her "life was over" after an Indonesian prosecutor dropped calls for the death sentence, only to demand she spend the rest of her life behind bars in Bali.
Despite taking a tranquiliser, the 27-year-old seemed inconsolable as she screamed and sobbed in a holding cell immediately after the latest hearing.
Prosecutor Ida Bagus Wiswantanu asked the Denpasar District Court to find Corby "officially and convincingly guilty" of attempting to smuggle 4.2 kilograms of marijuana into Denpasar airport last year in her boogie board bag.
"The defendant's actions can ruin the image of Bali as a tourist destination," he told the panel of three judges who must ultimately determine her fate.
"The defendant's actions can make Bali look like a drug haven and affect young people's lives."
Wiswantanu told the packed court he had not asked for the death penalty, partly because the former beauty student had been polite during her trial and had no prior drug record.
But he maintained that his prosecution team had proven Corby's wrongdoing despite her repeated pleas of innocence and claims that she had been the unwitting victim of an alleged drug ring operating at Australian airports.
He also asked the court to impose a 100 million rupiah ($13,500) fine.
"We can imagine, that amount of marijuana, how many people can consume it," Wiswantanu said, warning it was enough for 4,200 people.
Corby, who collapsed with stress and illness during her last two court appearances, was given a sedative before arriving at the court in a prison bus.
With 10-officer police escort, she walked - handcuffed and unsteady - through a chaotic media scrum and then sat quietly through most of the two-hour hearing.
But as the prosecutor explained his demand for life imprisonment, she began crying.
When the sentence request was complete, she turned to her Balinese interpreter and said "my life is over".
Thursday's submission by the prosecution is only a recommendation.
It will be up to the three judges to determine Corby's guilt or innocence and impose any sentence, which could be higher or lower than the prosecutors' recommendation.
The judges are not expected to hand down a verdict for several weeks.
Corby maintains she is not guilty.
At the end of the latest proceedings, Corby walked to her sister Mercedes in the public gallery and cried: "It's not fair."
The pair hugged in tears over a barrier separating them.
"It's okay, it's okay," Mercedes consoled her.
About 30 Australian onlookers in the court were equally shocked. "I think it's terrible," one woman said.
If the judges agree with the prosecutor in their verdict, Corby will spend the rest of her life in prison, although she might qualify for yearly remissions after five years.
The life sentence could also be capped at 20 years for good behaviour.
A grief-stricken Corby was taken to a holding cell where she sat wailing in a high-pitched scream with her Perth cousin Melissa Younger.
"I was under the impression it was going to be a fair trial," Younger said afterwards.
"I don't think it is, but we will see what the judges say."
The trial was adjourned until next Thursday when her defence lawyers will reply to the prosecution's submission.
Corby's lawyer Lely Lubis said the legal process for Corby was not yet over.
She said she had asked her client to be strong but admitted stress was taking its toll.
"Anybody can go crazy after seven months like this. Anyone can get depression from this," Lubis said.
©AAP 2005
Lucky or not, I dont know....
Interesting that they do her like this... maybe we should ring mr judge, and remind him of the millions of dollar's in tsunami aid we gave their country,,, the bali bombings, east timor,, and you know all the help that our country gives them, and talk to them about a bigger picture called "tourism" which their country strives off, that might take a bit of a dive if they do her like this.
One thing I’ll never understand about the Indonesians is why people are so anxious to see people suspected of drug trafficking put to death, yet when they have some islamic cleric killing people and arranging suicide bombings and he gets a year in jail, they all sook and say its too tough a sentence.
One thing I’ll never understand about the Indonesians is why people are so anxious to see people suspected of drug trafficking put to death, yet when they have some islamic cleric killing people and arranging suicide bombings and he gets a year in jail, they all sook and say its too tough a sentence.
^ First there was the Bali bombing, then the boxing day tsunami, then the second tsunami, now this.... you're right in the sense that tourism, in particular, tourism from Australia essentially provides the livelihood of many Indonesians. If there wasn't a disincentive to go before, then fuck, surely there is now! It is the people that suffer, that is the sad thing.
Relations have always been tense though between Australia and Indonesia (especially post-East Timor) - I think aid was a method of easing the tension, because the establishment of cordial relations is important to our security. Which is probably why the government has held back of the criticisms of the indonesian courts, even though, it is clear, the government disagrees with their methods and penalties. We have to be diplomatic because it is in our interests not to distrupt the region.
Relations have always been tense though between Australia and Indonesia (especially post-East Timor) - I think aid was a method of easing the tension, because the establishment of cordial relations is important to our security. Which is probably why the government has held back of the criticisms of the indonesian courts, even though, it is clear, the government disagrees with their methods and penalties. We have to be diplomatic because it is in our interests not to distrupt the region.
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