Does anybody else smile when you see Barry Bonds suffer?
- Thread starter Butt Rubber
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Dude who brought up how big he got from 1999-2000, go look at some pictures and stop listening to everything you hear. I dont see Mark Mcgwire getting the same hate, Giambi admitted to using steroids and he will still be starting on opening day. Babe Ruth never even played with black players so his records shouldn't even count, they had to segregate the leagues. If your not playing with the best then wtf, his records should stand in Triple A ball. The man has been intentially walked in one season more than some teams, TEAMS. When Bonds broke his god fathers record at 660, there was no nice moment or people saying how much of a feet this was, it was highlights of bonds years before saying how all he wants to do is break Ruth's record, bringing up race and making Bonds look like a bad guy. There is nothing ever reported good about Bonds, everything is trying to discredit him so your white god Ruth, even though all his records are broken or will be broken by Bonds, still looks good. How about Ruth batting twice in a lineup, how about him playing in smaller ball fields, how about Ruth going against practically practice pitchers, no you dont hear all that, why, becuase you white people will do whatever it takes to protect your legacy. Chris rock sums it up best. "12% of the population and 90%of the final four." Stop trying to discredit our heroes, fucking pathetic.
barry bonds is shrewd man...not only does he truly not give a fuck about what you, your cousin or pet think of him but look how savvy he is by taking this season off so when he breaks the hr record it wont be so close in date to the fresh steroid scandal...steroids is big news in mlb...barry wants to be only big news so why not wait until next season when its simmer down then break hr records to take center stage 
this is probably a waste of my time dealing with you simpletons, but I'll break down your post of retardance with precise rebuttle. For you to say Bonds should be more of a legend than Ruth is absolute bullshit, and I'd LOVE to see you respond to my post:
1-Mark McGwire has been getting dissed daily on ESPN shows (sports center, pardon the interuption, the sports reporters, around the horn, jim rome) constantly for his coward-ass response to congress last week. I dont know what rock you've been under if you think hes been getting un-noticed
2-Before his skull grew 2 hat sizes, and he put on 40 pounds of muscle, Bonds was (and still is) a below .300 career hitter who had the advantage of artificial turf most of his career, and was not considered an above-average power hitter. The year he put on 40 pounds was infact the same time when the FBI OFFICIALLY LINKED HIM TO BALCO
3-How the hell are you going to dismiss MLB in the 30s because it had no blacks? Ruth had no choice of who he played against, he went against the best competition available and completely dominated it. Bonds got the benefits of juiced balls, historically poor competition, night games, shorter outfields, and obviously liquid that comes from a needle that he injects into his ass.Ruth played at a time dominated by pitching, and when he broke the HR record, the guy who he took it from only had 120 homeruns. Bonds plays in a time dominated by batting and steroids, and your going to knock Ruth for not playing against blacks? Why not knock Bonds for not playing against HOF quality competition. Other than Maddox, RJ, Schilling, Clemens and Pedro, nobody in MLB these days has careers compared to the guys from the 1920s who had career ERAs lower than 2.50.
4-Look at how the negro league legends did once they got into MLB: Sachel Paige dominated the negro leagues even when he was old as hell, and all the sudden in MLB the very next year hes merely an average player. You could say that he played before integration and not against the best of the time. Look at all the Japanese players coming over now, the best from their league and only Ichiro and Hedeki Matsui succeded to the point where they're stars. Despite their immortal status in Asia, since they've been in the MLB, Ichiro does nothing but hit singles, and Matsui isn't even the best player on his own teams outfield. My point is basically that even if the league had allowed blacks, most of the higher performing negro league players may not have compared the best of that time. Sure, Some of the guys would have made a difference and Im not dissagreeing about that.
5-you say Bonds out-walked teams, are you aware Ruth out-homered other teams? In 1927, Ruth hit 60 homeruns, which was 14% total of ALL homeruns that year in the entire league. For Bonds to do this accomplishment in 2005 or whenever he comes back, he'd have to hit over 300 homeruns.
6-Ruth won 18, 23, and 24 games as a pitcher on the Red Sox while still batting over .300 in 2 of those 3 seasons (1915-1917). I'd like to see Barry go out and come close to winning that many games as a pitcher and then see if he wants to compare himself to Ruth as a complete baseball player. Either way, Babe Ruth could've ended his career as the all time HR leader or a 300-win pitcher, he chose HR king.
And to rub this arguement in even more, I'm going to throw in some stats too because I'm an asshole who loves to make his point:
BATTING AVERAGE
Babe Ruth - .342 Career average
Barry Bonds - .299 career average, 16 consecutive seasons batting below .342, only 2 season batting above .342.
SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Babe Ruth - .690 career average
Barry Bonds - .611 career average, 15 consecutive seasons slugging below .690, 4 seasons slugging above .690. ALL after he was linked with balco
RUTH
* 2 legs of the triple crown 7 times (Bonds - 1)
* more RBI than games played 6 times (Bonds - 0)
* 350+ TB in a season 9 times (Bonds - 2)
* 175+ Hits in a season 7 times (Bonds - 1)
* .450+ OBP in a season 11 times (Bonds - 7)
* 130+ Runs in a season 9 times (Bonds - 0)
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My conclusion: Throwing on some body armor, and using a triple dipped in lacker 29 ounce baseball bat at a rock hard ball thrown by watered down pitching in tiny ballparks does not make you a baseball legend compare to holding a HR record that took 50 years for someone else to break.
Not to mention leading your team to world series after world series.
RECAP
Ruth: .342 average, 714 homeruns, 7 World Series rings (3 on boston, 4 on NY), 1 batting crown, 10 home run crowns
Bonds: .300 average, 703 homeruns, 0 World Series rings, 0 batting crowns, 2 home run crowns
1-Mark McGwire has been getting dissed daily on ESPN shows (sports center, pardon the interuption, the sports reporters, around the horn, jim rome) constantly for his coward-ass response to congress last week. I dont know what rock you've been under if you think hes been getting un-noticed
2-Before his skull grew 2 hat sizes, and he put on 40 pounds of muscle, Bonds was (and still is) a below .300 career hitter who had the advantage of artificial turf most of his career, and was not considered an above-average power hitter. The year he put on 40 pounds was infact the same time when the FBI OFFICIALLY LINKED HIM TO BALCO
3-How the hell are you going to dismiss MLB in the 30s because it had no blacks? Ruth had no choice of who he played against, he went against the best competition available and completely dominated it. Bonds got the benefits of juiced balls, historically poor competition, night games, shorter outfields, and obviously liquid that comes from a needle that he injects into his ass.Ruth played at a time dominated by pitching, and when he broke the HR record, the guy who he took it from only had 120 homeruns. Bonds plays in a time dominated by batting and steroids, and your going to knock Ruth for not playing against blacks? Why not knock Bonds for not playing against HOF quality competition. Other than Maddox, RJ, Schilling, Clemens and Pedro, nobody in MLB these days has careers compared to the guys from the 1920s who had career ERAs lower than 2.50.
4-Look at how the negro league legends did once they got into MLB: Sachel Paige dominated the negro leagues even when he was old as hell, and all the sudden in MLB the very next year hes merely an average player. You could say that he played before integration and not against the best of the time. Look at all the Japanese players coming over now, the best from their league and only Ichiro and Hedeki Matsui succeded to the point where they're stars. Despite their immortal status in Asia, since they've been in the MLB, Ichiro does nothing but hit singles, and Matsui isn't even the best player on his own teams outfield. My point is basically that even if the league had allowed blacks, most of the higher performing negro league players may not have compared the best of that time. Sure, Some of the guys would have made a difference and Im not dissagreeing about that.
5-you say Bonds out-walked teams, are you aware Ruth out-homered other teams? In 1927, Ruth hit 60 homeruns, which was 14% total of ALL homeruns that year in the entire league. For Bonds to do this accomplishment in 2005 or whenever he comes back, he'd have to hit over 300 homeruns.
6-Ruth won 18, 23, and 24 games as a pitcher on the Red Sox while still batting over .300 in 2 of those 3 seasons (1915-1917). I'd like to see Barry go out and come close to winning that many games as a pitcher and then see if he wants to compare himself to Ruth as a complete baseball player. Either way, Babe Ruth could've ended his career as the all time HR leader or a 300-win pitcher, he chose HR king.
And to rub this arguement in even more, I'm going to throw in some stats too because I'm an asshole who loves to make his point:
BATTING AVERAGE
Babe Ruth - .342 Career average
Barry Bonds - .299 career average, 16 consecutive seasons batting below .342, only 2 season batting above .342.
SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Babe Ruth - .690 career average
Barry Bonds - .611 career average, 15 consecutive seasons slugging below .690, 4 seasons slugging above .690. ALL after he was linked with balco
RUTH
* 2 legs of the triple crown 7 times (Bonds - 1)
* more RBI than games played 6 times (Bonds - 0)
* 350+ TB in a season 9 times (Bonds - 2)
* 175+ Hits in a season 7 times (Bonds - 1)
* .450+ OBP in a season 11 times (Bonds - 7)
* 130+ Runs in a season 9 times (Bonds - 0)
---
My conclusion: Throwing on some body armor, and using a triple dipped in lacker 29 ounce baseball bat at a rock hard ball thrown by watered down pitching in tiny ballparks does not make you a baseball legend compare to holding a HR record that took 50 years for someone else to break.
Not to mention leading your team to world series after world series.
RECAP
Ruth: .342 average, 714 homeruns, 7 World Series rings (3 on boston, 4 on NY), 1 batting crown, 10 home run crowns
Bonds: .300 average, 703 homeruns, 0 World Series rings, 0 batting crowns, 2 home run crowns
the negro league players weren't playing against the best white players either, so how can you be so sure that they were top-notch competition as well? for all we know, MLB in the 30s and the Negro leagues could've been at an equal level of skill.
Getting into a debate with Bank Robber over important figures in NY Yankees history is like challening Mike Tyson to a street fight
Getting into a debate with Bank Robber over important figures in NY Yankees history is like challening Mike Tyson to a street fight
Just a couple of Hall of Fame Negro Players at the time.
James "Cool Papa" Bell
Oscar Charleston
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
William Foster
Josh Gibson
Hilton Smith
Smokey Joe Williams
Martin Dihigo
William Foster
Judy Johnson
Pop Lloyd
Leroy "Satchel" Paige
Wilber "Bullet Joe" Rogan
Norman "Turkey" Stearnes
Willie Wells
Yup.
James "Cool Papa" Bell
Oscar Charleston
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
William Foster
Josh Gibson
Hilton Smith
Smokey Joe Williams
Martin Dihigo
William Foster
Judy Johnson
Pop Lloyd
Leroy "Satchel" Paige
Wilber "Bullet Joe" Rogan
Norman "Turkey" Stearnes
Willie Wells
Yup.
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