Death threats against Mohammed cartoonists

[Illuminattile]

There is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom to hate and to target people because of thier religion, i think there is a word for it, oh yeah Racism!

Discriminating against people based on religion isn't racism, but whatever.

the prophet portraited as a terrorist/ Suicide bomber, that suggest that ALL muslims are teorrist too since thiere prophet was one too,
whats funny about those picures ? I cant possibly see how even a danish person would find them funny.

They're not supposed to be funny, they're political cartoons. This isn't Tom and Jerry.

Lets spin this around

Jylland posten ask artists to send in thier drawings about jews to test freedom of press in Denmark.
Lost of artist send in their images, making fun of the holocaust and suggesting that the jewish people had it coming all along.

What would the outcome be ? Plain and simple, everyone would condem it and call it racist, but since in this case its targeting muslims its okay then.

There's a thin line between criticism and insult.

Claiming that Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust is insult. If you criticised some aspect of the religion, that would be OK.
Claiming that Islam breeds terrorism (which is how I took the bomb cartoon) is criticism. It might not be right, but it's an argument. A cartoon suggesting that the innocent Muslims that have died in Iraq deserved it would be insult, that I would condemn.

 

[RFTP]

Discriminating against people based on religion isn't racism, but whatever.

racism is only an arbitrary word. Discriminating is still a "racist" thing to do.

Claiming that Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust is insult. If you criticised some aspect of the religion, that would be OK.

I agree

Claiming that Islam breeds terrorism (which is how I took the bomb cartoon) is criticism. It might not be right, but it's an argument.
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NO IT'S NOT and this is bullshit. It's not a "legitimate" argument.

 

[Illuminattile]

NO IT'S NOT and this is bullshit. It's not a "legitimate" argument.

Of course it is. You might not agree with the argument, but it's an argument that can be made. Terrorists use Islam to justify their actions, people become terrorists after converting to Islam.

 

[RFTP]

Of course it is. You might not agree with the argument, but it's an argument that can be made. Terrorists use Islam to justify their actions, people become terrorists after converting to Islam.

Sorry but this is stupid. Ask any islamolog professor and they'd laugh right back at you. Islam (or any other religion for that matter) doesn't breed killers, extrem ideologies do. Same thing can be applied on politics. It's always the extremists that does the killing and breeding of massmurderes. Saying otherwise is ignorant and holds no proof or anything cause everything you say about Islam I can find eqaully as many other examples to any other religions.

 

[Illuminattile]

Sorry but this is stupid. Ask any islamolog professor and they'd laugh right back at you. Islam (or any other religion for that matter) doesn't breed killers, extrem ideologies do. Same thing can be applied on politics. It's always the extremists that does the killing and breeding of massmurderes. Saying otherwise is ignorant and holds no proof or anything cause everything you say about Islam I can find eqaully as many other examples to any other religions.

I'm not saying that Islam does breed terrorists, I'm saying that people could argue that it does, just as they could argue the same thing about other religions.

Please, don't reply blindly with the same "Islam isn't evil!!!" spiel that everyone posts as soon as anyone mentions Islam and terrorism.

 

[RFTP]

I'm not saying that Islam does breed terrorists, I'm saying that people could argue that it does, just as they could argue the same thing about other religions.

Of course you can argue that but it holds nothing but blind idiocy and that's what I'm saying. Not everything is up for a debate as there are things alot more important to debate about. Arguing whether Islam breeds killers is stupid and can be easily dismissed in 1 reply only.

Please, don't reply blindly with the same "Islam isn't evil!!!" spiel that everyone posts as soon as anyone mentions Islam and terrorism.

I'm not, but I just don't understand how a matter like this is debateable, it would be like debating whether killers have a specific gene in their DNA that makes them killers which means that the debate is pretty useless when you know the "answe". Unless you have an agenda against islam and refuse to accept what people say. Then it's a different thing

 

[Rukas]

No there is something you dont understand, the 2 shown in this thread are the most offensive once, that doesn't mean the 10 others weren't.
Have you even seen the 10 others ?

They said the 10 others were harmless.

And i agree no one should put a price on someones head because of this but i believe the media is exagerrating here.

Agreed.

There where you are wrong, i dont believe people should be target because of thiere religion,
'Hey, lets test "freedom of press" in denmark by publishing pictures of the muslim prophet whice are obviously racist and insulting, sure many muslims will be mad but who cares ?'

But i'm not arguing the 2 pictures, i'm arguing that they did it to start with.

They weren't testing freedom of press as such, but "[testing] whether fear of Islamic retribution has begun to limit the freedom of expression in Denmark..."

You from Australia right ?
well we all seen how foreigners are dealt with over there

Haha, I am a foreigner you idiot. Wait where are you from? "Yo mammas bedroom"?
Well that shows your level of maturity and intellect, and explains why you'd need to resort to cheap shots to try to win your argument.

 

[RFTP]

"[testing] whether fear of Islamic retribution has begun to limit the freedom of expression in Denmark..."

Are you kidding me? Denmark has never felt any danger to say their expression about Islam and whatnot. I can quote what their biggest newspaper have said about Islam and without any consequences.

 

[LL COOL PAC]

islam may not be inherently evil to argue so is pointless but in truth there are 60 islamic countries in the world and yet only a hand which could be called a democracy.But is there was nothing about non-islamic society that you admire? For instance do you not believe women should be able to vote? (Probably.) If a woman had to appear in court, do you not think her testimony is worth that of any man? (Too right.) Have you not just enjoyed, everyday of your life ,the freedom of religious expression — indeed of an expensive, state-funded, multi-media variety? (Well, yes.- How Many Muslim countries go out of there way to give public money for churches etc?) Isn't it fabulous that while women are given the choice of wearing for instance the hijab, she was not compelled to do so? (Yes.) And that, although they does receive the occasional rude remark about their chosen dress, women mostly walk the streets unmolested? Are these not freedoms part of western morality, just as much as throwing up outside All Bar One or wearing your knickers above your jeans? And is there a Muslim nation on earth that would afford you the same rights? (Probably not.)

Continually reading posts by the numerous islamist posters on this and many other boards is like watching “What have the Romans ever done for us?” scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian. Yes, apart from equality, democracy, religious tolerance and freedom of speech, Western morality had done nothing for muslims
And with so much bashing of western society by immigrants from a muslim background it is hard not to bristle, not to think unbecoming, angry thoughts such as: “Why endure our repulsive morality a moment longer? Wouldn’t you simply be happier in a Muslim country?”
So why don’t citzenship classes teach that when multiculturalism works it is because western tolerance has made it possible?- this a tolerance that is completly absent in the entire muslim world?

 

[Portgas D. Ace]

They weren't testing freedom of press as such, but "[testing] whether fear of Islamic retribution has begun to limit the freedom of expression in Denmark..."

They Major papers in the country bash Islam daily, same can be said about some political parties, Denmark never felt danger expresing thiere thoughts on islam, hence the drawings in jyllands posten.

Its no secret that islamphobia is extreme in denmark, they even tried to pass a bill forbidding Muslim women with scarf to work in public place and companies,
what do you call that!

Haha, I am a foreigner you idiot. Wait where are you from? "Yo mammas bedroom"?
Well that shows your level of maturity and intellect, and explains why you'd need to resort to cheap shots to try to win your argument.

Just stating an obvious fact, you choose to take it that way.., !
I'm from Denmark it makes a differnce.

 

[S O F I]

How Many Muslim countries go out of there way to give public money for churches etc?)

Why donate to the church? Islamic countries donate to the people that share the same religion. They donated money to rebuild almost every mosque in Bosnia, and there's a plethora of mosques in Bosnia, believe that.

 

[Duke]

Its no secret that islamphobia is extreme in denmark, they even tried to pass a bill forbidding Muslim women with scarf to work in public place and companies,
what do you call that!

lmao, you fucckin idiot, that's not islamophobia. It's a cultural thing. In Western countries it is considered rude to be talking/doing things with a scarf wrapped around your head.

Trying to ban a burkha or scarf is not islamophobia. Jesus christ, stop playing the victim.

 

[RFTP]

Trying to ban a burkha or scarf is not islamophobia. Jesus christ, stop playing the victim.

huh?? then what is it?

 

[jimmyk88]

lmao, you fucckin idiot, that's not islamophobia. It's a cultural thing. In Western countries it is considered rude to be talking/doing things with a scarf wrapped around your head.

Trying to ban a burkha or scarf is not islamophobia. Jesus christ, stop playing the victim.

I don't see them bitching about a Jew wearing a kippah

 

[Sebastian]

Its no secret that islamphobia is extreme in denmark, they even tried to pass a bill forbidding Muslim women with scarf to work in public place and companies,
what do you call that!

its forbidden for muslim women (teacher) to wear scarf in school here in germany.

 

[RFTP]

its forbidden for muslim women (teacher) to wear scarf in school here in germany.

Yes but that's wrong...

 

[garvey0]

nevermind

 

[Sebastian]

Yes but that's wrong...

... its also forbidden for christian teacher to wear a cross. there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[RFTP]

... its also forbidden for christian teacher to wear a cross. there is nothing wrong with it.

It is wrong cause they can't possibly harm someone by putting forward their beilief. By denying it doesn't mean that the "hate" or "fear" will go away.

 

[S O F I]

... its also forbidden for christian teacher to wear a cross. there is nothing wrong with it.

Yeah, and the way I see it, it's not a negative thing they're doing. They just do not want people of different religions in conflict. This way, everybody is equal. Sort of like having a dress code.