David Ortiz believes he should still be a top MVP candidate

[Butt Rubber]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2582790


he says his MVP pick is Jermaine Dye, but that he should still be one of the top candidates despite Boston being out of it. He also mentioned he would give votes for Konerko and Morneau

What does he say about Jeter?

"I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz said. "If I get 50 home runs and 10 more RBI [which would give him 137], that's going to be a round number that no one else in the American League will have."

"But they'll vote for a position player, use that as an excuse. They're talking about [Derek] Jeter a lot, right? He's done a great job, he's having a great season, but Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.

"Don't get me wrong -- he's a great player, having a great season, but he's got a lot of guys in that lineup," Ortiz continued. "Top to bottom, you've got a guy who can hurt you. Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."

So in conclusion, Ortiz is a moron who doesn't realize he wouldn't have RBI if it weren't for players like Jeter who get on base in the slot ahead of him.

If he had Jeter ahead of him instead of Loretta, he would have even more RBI.

He's so mesmirized by his own numbers but yet forgets that he has a future HOF hitter behind him (Manny Ramirez) giving him protection

And Ortiz also doesn't realize A-rod won the MVP on a non-playoff team by putting up big numbers that are uncomparable to other players at his position AND playing the best defense at the most important spot on the field. Ortiz puts up big numbers that are still comparable to other hitters in the league, AND he didn't contribute on defense other than a few interleague games and when Lowell needed rest and they had to slide Youk to 3rd base.


Does anyone else think Ortiz is letting the Boston-Yankee rivalry get to him? Trying to degrade Jeter and even going as far as saying Paul freakin Konerko was more valuable to his team than Jeter. That's just rediculous.

 

[Dogmatic187]

I purely think he's saying that because of the Sox-Yanks rivalry.

Jeter is probably going to win it, since I don't see the White Sox making the playoffs either.

 

[Butt Rubber]

i think the funniest part is how he says the playoffs shouldn't matter

and then he says he won't make his choice until the playoffs have been decided

hahahaha what a joke

 

[tennis_dog]

a certain bach is gonna be pissed...

i think the playoffs should only matter when it's a seemingly tie..... in this case, it isnt, so i guess, in that case, that jeter deserves it...

ortiz had it goin for a while...it was nice while it lasted..

 

[Bachaveli]

The only thing he shouldn't have said is It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.Thats not really true.Small player like Jeter who can contribute for the team with little things like SB,AVG,Hits,Runs could still win the MVP.Its not always HR and RBI guy who has to win.But however in this case,there is a guy who has HR's and RBI's that are unmatchable.Ortiz has numbers that can't be come close by any other player.That was the case with A-Rod when he won the MVP with rangers,he had numbers that were unmatchable with others even though he was on loosing side.

a certain bach is gonna be pissed...

Plz hop off, plz.Let my dick go already.Everywhere i go i see you mentioning my name.

 

[Butt Rubber]

bach, ortiz may lead the AL in homers and RBI, but 2 others are putting up similar, if not better, numbers in the NL, which shows he's not as rare as some my think

hell, when Travis Hafner is playing, he's a better hitter than Ortiz. He has a higher batting average, on-base pencentage AND slugging average than Ortiz, and also has 42 homers and 117 RBI through 129 games (looks like his season is over so these will be his final stats)

 

[Bachaveli]

Those two you're talking about Howard and Pujols,they are in NL.But Ortiz is in AL and there aren't anybody really who can match his numbers, clutch stats.Hafner and Morneau are having great numbers too but not as good as Ortiz.Its not always the stats that should count.Look at Hafner and Morneau,would you say you'd fear to face them?No,they're not really the type a hitters that you'd fear.They're great on the paper but not really fearfull players.Ortiz on the other hand is probably the scariest hitter to face.Plus,hes done this,he has put this numbers up before and done it two year on the raw now.So the experience is there.So are the clutch stats.Do i need to bring back the old stats.What did i say he lead the league in go ahead RBI,Walk offs,hits and what not.

 

[Butt Rubber]

Hafner has just as many game-changing hits as Ortiz

however, he doesn't have a future Hall of famer hitting behind him, or the spotlight of the Boston media, or worthless home runs off Mariano Rivera in the bottom of the 9th when down by 5 runs

 

[tennis_dog]

hafner is just as good as ortiz, if not better... hafner doesnt play as much as ortiz, even though they're both DH's and 1B....hafner is just a DH, though, isnt he?

and yes, the manny factor does come into play here...but that would only improve ortiz's runs scored... how does it help with his ribbies?? if anything, it should be manny that has the bloated stats...

 

[Butt Rubber]

tennis, think of all the times a manager wants to put a lefty up against Ortiz but can't because Manny (righty) is on deck?

 

[Bachaveli]

This is like a chest game.When you feel the need to use a certain card you're pulling that out,when you don't, you're pulling other card out.Both to you advantage.

Worthless HR's?Ortiz probably owns Rivera in his career.Did you forget already 05 the ALCS game winning hits off rivera?Guy owns hall of famer Rivera when nobody can even hit off this guy.

And i doubt Hafner has as many game changing hits as Ortiz.Or walk offs,winning RBI's,winning hits.

 

[Butt Rubber]

This is like a chest game.When you feel the need to use a certain card you're pulling that out,when you don't, you're pulling other card out.Both to you advantage.

Worthless HR's?Ortiz probably owns Rivera in his career.Did you forget already 05 the ALCS game winning hits off rivera?Guy owns hall of famer Rivera when nobody can even hit off this guy.

And i doubt Hafner has as many game changing hits as Ortiz.Or walk offs,winning RBI's,winning hits.

walk-off RBI's dont mean ANY more than a go-ahead RBI in the 5th inning. you might be able to rub one off to the dramaticism of a walkoff hit but in the end it's no more valuable than an RBI in the 5th inning

and Ortiz is 7/18 in his career against Mariano with one home run and 2 strike outs. Not bad, even though that home run was completely worthless.

 

[tennis_dog]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2584168


damn..... jeter fires back

 

[Bachaveli]

walk-off RBI's dont mean ANY more than a go-ahead RBI in the 5th inning. you might be able to rub one off to the dramaticism of a walkoff hit but in the end it's no more valuable than an RBI in the 5th inning

and Ortiz is 7/18 in his career against Mariano with one home run and 2 strike outs. Not bad, even though that home run was completely worthless.

But that go-ahead RBI in 5th inning could still be changed.Lets say you get a go-ahead RBI in 5th,theres still four more innings to play so other team could still tie it up and your go-ahead RBI wouldn't mean anything.Where as walk-off RBI,you win and go home.Big difference.

7/18 and you only say not bad?lmao you gotta be kidding me.Considering nobody really has good numbers against Rivera,when a player does this good you gotta give props.Thats not not bad.Thats excellent.

 

[AmerikazMost]

Bank, are you seriously using the Manny back-up argument against Papi in your campaign for Jeter? Who in their right mind would pitch around Jeter to get to Abreu, Giambi, A-Rod, etc.? Jeter has similar, yet even deeper protection than Ortiz does.

Ortiz is no longer an MVP candidate. The reason he was the leader in the race earlier was because he was helping the Red Sox win big games. That's not happening anymore.



Jermaine Dye is my MVP. Jeter #2.



I think it's hard to say that one guy in that Yankees lineup can be considered that much more "valuable" than any of the others. If you take Jeter out, they still score a shitload of runs. You could put Cano in the two spot and the offensive production would falter very little, if at all.

 

[tennis_dog]

both dye and jeter...hell, even ortiz hit in intimidating lineups....dye hits either in front or behind, it varies, thome and konerko...two sluggers..jeter hits ahead of..haha...a-rod, abreu, matsui, giambi, and soon, sheff....notice jeter doesnt behind any of these guys that get on base, yet he's still gonna get 100 ribbies this season...as a #2 hitter.... who does that?? soriano? that's it.....

i think im starting to realize maybe my defense for ortiz was a tad bit swayed because 1. he's a DH, and voters hate them, 2. he HAD a shitloada ribbies and homers....he still does, but he doesnt lead in those stats anymore, howard does....

howard for nl, hands down...only beltran holds a light to him... pujols has faded off like derrek lee did last year...his stats are very good, but this season belongs to howard...who jsut might break this home run record...

 

[Bachaveli]

but he doesnt lead in those stats anymore, howard does....

You again failed to realize Howard's numbers will not effect Ortiz's MVP race.Howard is in NL and Ortiz in AL.When they choose MVP's,they don't compare players numbers from both leagues.One from NL and one from AL.Thats why theres two MVP's at the end of the season.

 

[tennis_dog]

hey, bank, how do i ignore stupid shits??? i dunno how to do the whole ignore list thingy on this board...i looked all over my preferences, but i couldnt find it...

bach, can you tell me how to block you?

 

[Bachaveli]

I'm just correcting you.That wasn't meant to be a diss.I just corrected you.Don't blow things out of proportion.But won't be doing that anymore.

 

[tennis_dog]

no, no... seriously...i dont want to see your name anymore... how do i go about doing this? bank?