I'll tell you right now that this virus has been running rampant in the US since December, and at least 25 million people in the US have had it. That's my low estimate. Which means most people experienced it as a cold or a flu but some died and became part of the flu-death statistics. When antibody tests become more available, then maybe this fact will become known.
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Yes, that was a careless use of the word. I used it in the informal sense to indicate how sure I was that many more people have been infected than reported. But that’s a matter of truth, not fact, and I should have used that word instead. Truth is truth whether the media knows and tells you about it or not.
Nah, I don't believe the numbers from any country are correct. I think the case of China's numbers, they've been maliciously under-reported and I also doubt Wuhan, today, is safe to be opened again. I had read that the lockdown was lifted a week or two ago but I'm sure they will have another spike in cases. Regardless of if the government officials did a good job of taking the sick ones and either quarantining them or killing them.
I feel the same way about Brazil since Bolsonaro is basically a South American Trump and a fucking retard.
In the US, I doubt the numbers because I bet people were lumped in as COVID deaths just for simplicity's sake. We know it really hits people with pre-existing conditions harder than healthy individuals but while I don't doubt that they died from complications of this infection, I feel it's a bit misleading to the public since they would assume the virus came in, completely dismantled a person, and killed them. When in many cases it was likely analogous to a building with code violations and weak structure that just needed a catalyst to bring it all down.
Of course it's hit perfectly healthy individuals too, and killed them in the process, but it should be made clear how many people were susceptible to infection and COVID just got lucky and got to them first before any other viral or bacterial infection that we're more familiar with.
I don't know if breakdowns exist for the prior health of the people that died with the infection, but I do feel it's important to dispel even a little bit of hysteria.
I don't know if it's state-wide or city-wide but Illinois/Chicago now recommends the public wear masks when in public. I saw a few masks here and there at the stores prior to this announcement, but I assume it was people already susceptible to the virus taking precautions. But I went to the corner shop yesterday and I was the only one not wearing a mask in the store. Sort of felt like a chode doing that so I requested some masks for when we go out. My dad gets them from the hospital for himself but obviously it's not something that would make its way home for the family. So I placed an order online but that might still be two weeks away before getting to the clinic. I don't go out often anyway, and if I do I'm usually in the car doing a pick up or drop off but shopping in stores will be a problem until I get those masks in. It'd be a real dick move to stick out like a sore thumb without a mask so I'll hold off for a bit.
They don't do shit for viruses but we have our air purifiers on medium or high at home and at the clinic all the time now. lol I feel like most of the public is similar in that they're doing whatever the hell they think might work just for the off chance it does help.
As far as the origins of the virus, as soon as it hit Italy and there were fears it would hit the US harder, I started seeing right wing propaganda accounts really push the idea that it was lab-created in China. Whether it was meant to get out and if getting it out was accidental or intentional, that I don't know what to think. But if it was an experiment gone bad that got out on accident, that's straight out of a sci-fi movie. If it was created as a true bio-terrorism weapon and let out, accidentally or not, I think that's grounds for declaring war. It's no different than the fears of Iran or NK having nuclear weapons, at least to the US government. Except this one was actually launched and actually hit rather than NK shooting one off in to the ocean for a pissing contest.
People have the separate the Chinese people from the CCP, though; there were reports of a rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans since this thing started and I hope people understand that many Chinese citizens absolutely abhor the CCP. My sister's university is big on engineering and has a lot of East Asian students, including a lot of Chinese students. She even tutors one for ESL and another one was her roommate for a year last year. They all shit-talked the government and said many of the Chinese wish it were overthrown. Of course, that's a very small sample size but if the Chinese citizens weren't tired of the CCP before the outbreak late last year, they certainly have to be now after seeing their government's response to the outbreak.
The "bat soup" or "wet market" theory is kind of a funny, albeit gross, one but deep down inside, a lab-created virus would make more sense.
I feel the same way about Brazil since Bolsonaro is basically a South American Trump and a fucking retard.
In the US, I doubt the numbers because I bet people were lumped in as COVID deaths just for simplicity's sake. We know it really hits people with pre-existing conditions harder than healthy individuals but while I don't doubt that they died from complications of this infection, I feel it's a bit misleading to the public since they would assume the virus came in, completely dismantled a person, and killed them. When in many cases it was likely analogous to a building with code violations and weak structure that just needed a catalyst to bring it all down.
Of course it's hit perfectly healthy individuals too, and killed them in the process, but it should be made clear how many people were susceptible to infection and COVID just got lucky and got to them first before any other viral or bacterial infection that we're more familiar with.
I don't know if breakdowns exist for the prior health of the people that died with the infection, but I do feel it's important to dispel even a little bit of hysteria.
I don't know if it's state-wide or city-wide but Illinois/Chicago now recommends the public wear masks when in public. I saw a few masks here and there at the stores prior to this announcement, but I assume it was people already susceptible to the virus taking precautions. But I went to the corner shop yesterday and I was the only one not wearing a mask in the store. Sort of felt like a chode doing that so I requested some masks for when we go out. My dad gets them from the hospital for himself but obviously it's not something that would make its way home for the family. So I placed an order online but that might still be two weeks away before getting to the clinic. I don't go out often anyway, and if I do I'm usually in the car doing a pick up or drop off but shopping in stores will be a problem until I get those masks in. It'd be a real dick move to stick out like a sore thumb without a mask so I'll hold off for a bit.
They don't do shit for viruses but we have our air purifiers on medium or high at home and at the clinic all the time now. lol I feel like most of the public is similar in that they're doing whatever the hell they think might work just for the off chance it does help.
As far as the origins of the virus, as soon as it hit Italy and there were fears it would hit the US harder, I started seeing right wing propaganda accounts really push the idea that it was lab-created in China. Whether it was meant to get out and if getting it out was accidental or intentional, that I don't know what to think. But if it was an experiment gone bad that got out on accident, that's straight out of a sci-fi movie. If it was created as a true bio-terrorism weapon and let out, accidentally or not, I think that's grounds for declaring war. It's no different than the fears of Iran or NK having nuclear weapons, at least to the US government. Except this one was actually launched and actually hit rather than NK shooting one off in to the ocean for a pissing contest.
People have the separate the Chinese people from the CCP, though; there were reports of a rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans since this thing started and I hope people understand that many Chinese citizens absolutely abhor the CCP. My sister's university is big on engineering and has a lot of East Asian students, including a lot of Chinese students. She even tutors one for ESL and another one was her roommate for a year last year. They all shit-talked the government and said many of the Chinese wish it were overthrown. Of course, that's a very small sample size but if the Chinese citizens weren't tired of the CCP before the outbreak late last year, they certainly have to be now after seeing their government's response to the outbreak.
The "bat soup" or "wet market" theory is kind of a funny, albeit gross, one but deep down inside, a lab-created virus would make more sense.
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China stats? Yes, they are honest. No, who knows how many more died there but it's certain to be much more than official number.
Yes, as of now I believe it most probably originated from the P4 lab in Wuhan. Either someone got infected and spread it or it was released on purpose by someone at the lab, not the Chinese govt. We know they (Shi Zhengli, specifically) were working on recombination of bat Sars/corona viruses and how they jump to humans. This is in the public record; they published a few papers in Lancet. They were getting ready to try to infect primates at one point. The journal Nature complained about it in 2015. It's almost certain China was working on bioweapons too. The first corona virus patient, Patient 0, was reported on Dec 1. That person had no connection to the Wuhan seafood market, and rumor has it worked at the P4 lab. On Dec 10th, 3 more cases reported, 2 with no connection to the market. The Chinese government has prevented the CDC and others from studying the origin of the virus. We'll probably never know for sure. But Trump is right in holding back funds to the WHO. They take Chinese govt money and just parrot back what they tell them.
Yes, as of now I believe it most probably originated from the P4 lab in Wuhan. Either someone got infected and spread it or it was released on purpose by someone at the lab, not the Chinese govt. We know they (Shi Zhengli, specifically) were working on recombination of bat Sars/corona viruses and how they jump to humans. This is in the public record; they published a few papers in Lancet. They were getting ready to try to infect primates at one point. The journal Nature complained about it in 2015. It's almost certain China was working on bioweapons too. The first corona virus patient, Patient 0, was reported on Dec 1. That person had no connection to the Wuhan seafood market, and rumor has it worked at the P4 lab. On Dec 10th, 3 more cases reported, 2 with no connection to the market. The Chinese government has prevented the CDC and others from studying the origin of the virus. We'll probably never know for sure. But Trump is right in holding back funds to the WHO. They take Chinese govt money and just parrot back what they tell them.
This country is retarded. We should give it back to the Natives and fuck right off
https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...acebook-groups-push-anti-quarantine-protests/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...acebook-groups-push-anti-quarantine-protests/
Nothing is going to happen to the CCP after this. They'll be a lot of "let me at 'em" from different world leaders but they know the companies from their respective companies will reel them back in and remind them who wins them their elections.
One of those Muslim countries that has nothing to lose should just launch an attack on that government and bring it crumbling down. It's kind of weird that China has been "free" of ISIS attacks while the rest of the world lives in fear of them.
Pretty sure the West would support the hell out of ISIS (even more than they do now) if they managed to pull it off.
Shit, 45k deaths in the US. A third of all of the world's cases have been Americans. Already twice as many deaths as Italy and Spain.
The number of cases added since this week started is higher than the number of all that have recovered since the pandemic started there. The growth has capped at 25-32k new cases every single day. This is insane, man.
The number of cases added since this week started is higher than the number of all that have recovered since the pandemic started there. The growth has capped at 25-32k new cases every single day. This is insane, man.
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One of my good friends from college is a physician assistant and said the same thing once the incidents increased in the US. This was almost two months ago. He's just so entrenched in whatever right-wing news source he uses, he took the words of some con-man over the science from around the world.
His family is safe but he's in the Deep South so there's plenty of uneducated folks that are taking advice from pastors and retarded government officials from their states.
I think people identified as being active participants in these protests should be identified, but quietly. If they show up at a hospital and test positive for the virus, they should just be detained in a room and be given low priority care. They can't leave and infect others and they also don't take up resources that could be used for the regular folks that weren't infected because they were dumbasses.
I bet we see the curve nosedive within a month when the stupid population takes itself out.
His family is safe but he's in the Deep South so there's plenty of uneducated folks that are taking advice from pastors and retarded government officials from their states.
I think people identified as being active participants in these protests should be identified, but quietly. If they show up at a hospital and test positive for the virus, they should just be detained in a room and be given low priority care. They can't leave and infect others and they also don't take up resources that could be used for the regular folks that weren't infected because they were dumbasses.
I bet we see the curve nosedive within a month when the stupid population takes itself out.
One of my friends caught it. They told him not to get tested and only to go the hospital unless he feels it's necessary. Its been 2 1/2 weeks now and he's about 75%, still congested and coughing. He doesn't know where he got it from because none of his co workers have/had it. He said maybe he got it from his parents who were recklessly shopping 3, 4, 5 times a week but his parents only had mild symptoms like fatigue.
Sad but true. This shits getting more wild by the day. Did you see that "Jesus is my vaccine" article? Man, I didn't even click it because it would piss me off.
Sad but true. This shits getting more wild by the day. Did you see that "Jesus is my vaccine" article? Man, I didn't even click it because it would piss me off.
Yeah, I mean, like I said before these people need to die out. It's one thing to be religious/spiritual and attribute the reasoning for this outbreak to a higher being, but the solution isn't "thoughts and prayers." A bunch of brainwashed fucks.
I used to go to the Temple a few times a month but have not gone since probably late-February. I'm fairly positive it closed once the stay at home orders came out. There is a mosque down the street and they have been dead too, so I'm assuming Muslims understand the importance of this, too. But for some reason, at least in the US, the Christians have a tough time understanding what's expected of them. There are even remote services/sermons being held and a lot of my uber-religious friends do attend them with no issue. And these are Southern guys, so you know they're all about Jesus. But then there are the retarded ones that keep going to services. You could make a case for them being brainwashed, especially once you hear what some of these pastors are telling them and encouraging to do. Attend services, donate their stimulus checks, etc. And if it isn't those religious leaders spreading the bullshit, these people consider Trump the next Pope or some shit and just defer to his judgement and what he's saying in the media about opening businesses up and how the democrats are blowing this out of proportion.
If there was ever a time for a secret police, this would be it. See the people, regardless of which demographic they belong to, are blatantly ignoring protocol and whisk them away. Put them on a farm in some remote area guarded by the military and just keep them there. Whether they test positive or not, let them out when it's all over. I know this sounds like basically what I shat on China for doing and what they have in place in terms of a secret police but the US is not China. We have inbred morons hiding behind their interpretation of the Constitution to just be be blatantly stupid. And it's not for "no reason;" they've made it a political thing and feel like this is another way to "own the libtards."
If they're worried about money, make them work while they're detained. Go farm some crops or milk some cows. They'll be happy then. They're working, making money, and they'll be guarded from the Democratic Coronavirus by the military and their guns.
Basically, this allows normal, sensible folks to self-quarantine and still live their lives without having the peak of this outbreak be much higher and also be over with sooner.
Obama has to be chuckling when these bums inevitably use the ACA to get seen when they fall sick. Or if they were able to opt out of it because Uncle Trump repealed parts of it, then they're going to just die in the street. Hopefully well before this November. I think Trump wants out of the WH and just wants his voters dead so he can dip lol
And here we go, the truth starts coming out:
“Nearly 14% of people tested in the first phase of a coronavirus antibody study in New York state tested positive, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Thursday. About one-fifth, 21.2%, of positive results were throughout New York City. Downstate, including Long Island, Westchester and Rockland counties, accounted for 28.4% of cases. According to the results, Cuomo said, the infection rate means that 2.7 million people could be infected across the state, which has a population of about 19 million.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...tibody-tests-show-infection-rate-of-nearly-14
Okay, it’s just a first-phase study. But if it’s even close to 14% for NY state, that’s big. If we just round off the whole country to a low 8%, that’s about 25.6 million people, which was my low estimate. I originally came up with 8-15% by figuring it came here in Dec and spread like a cold virus, and that's the numbers we would see. This would mean the mortality rate would go down to something like the flu. So we didn't have to shut down? No, we did because unlike the flu we don't have a vaccine. So more will get covid and more elderly and immune-compromised will die. Also, covid can give anyone the nastiest kind of pneumonia that barely gives symptoms until the lungs are in critical condition.
The only way to partially open society before there’s an effective vaccine is to wait for the numbers to stabilize and then to have a proper testing, tracking and tracing system set up. Period. But that won't happen because people need to make money and Trump sucks, so we'll probably see a second wave and then a third this winter that might be the worst.
“Nearly 14% of people tested in the first phase of a coronavirus antibody study in New York state tested positive, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Thursday. About one-fifth, 21.2%, of positive results were throughout New York City. Downstate, including Long Island, Westchester and Rockland counties, accounted for 28.4% of cases. According to the results, Cuomo said, the infection rate means that 2.7 million people could be infected across the state, which has a population of about 19 million.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...tibody-tests-show-infection-rate-of-nearly-14
Okay, it’s just a first-phase study. But if it’s even close to 14% for NY state, that’s big. If we just round off the whole country to a low 8%, that’s about 25.6 million people, which was my low estimate. I originally came up with 8-15% by figuring it came here in Dec and spread like a cold virus, and that's the numbers we would see. This would mean the mortality rate would go down to something like the flu. So we didn't have to shut down? No, we did because unlike the flu we don't have a vaccine. So more will get covid and more elderly and immune-compromised will die. Also, covid can give anyone the nastiest kind of pneumonia that barely gives symptoms until the lungs are in critical condition.
The only way to partially open society before there’s an effective vaccine is to wait for the numbers to stabilize and then to have a proper testing, tracking and tracing system set up. Period. But that won't happen because people need to make money and Trump sucks, so we'll probably see a second wave and then a third this winter that might be the worst.
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