Chavez offers cheap gas(And Health Care) to poor in U.S.

[The.Menace]

I think I have a better suggestion, let's just start all over again. Tone, please tell us what you think about the very first post in this thread, what do you think about "Chavez offers cheap gas(And Health Care) to poor in U.S."? Maybe we can set the record straight.

Like I said before, I think this is just soemthing to piss people off and scare some people in the US administration. I don't think that Venezuella has enough money to do that, they have problems of their own and I think Chavaz is just enjoyin to see the US media trippin. It won't happen.

 

[Tone Capone]

I like that idea better too :thumb:

 

[bigmack]

few friends of mine were kidnapped for ransom in venezuela,one of em got killed

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

I think it'd be nice of somebody to offer us some cheap gas since they gonna jack the prices up even higher "because of Katrina"

 

[Hankaveli]

Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor
Aug 29 10:39 PM US/Eastern



CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Monday his government plans to sell as much as 66,000 barrels per day of heating fuel from its U.S. Citgo refinery to poor communities in the United States.

The offer, made after populist Chavez held talks with U.S. civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson, would represent 10 percent of the 660,000 bpd of refined products processed by Citgo. The deals would cut consumer costs by direct sales.

Venezuela's Energy Minister Rafael Ramirez said officials were still working on the details on how the oil would be sold from Citgo, a unit of the state oil firm PDVSA.

"We are going to direct as much as 10 percent of the production, that means 66,000 barrels, without intermediaries, to poor communities, hospitals, religious communities, schools," Chavez told reporters at a press conference.

The world's No. 5 oil exporter, oil cartel OPEC member Venezuela is a key supplier to the United States, providing about 15 percent of all U.S. energy imports.

But relations between Caracas and Washington have become strained since left-winger Chavez was elected in 1998 promising social reforms.

Chavez, a former army officer who survived a coup in 2002, frequently accuses the U.S. of backing efforts to kill him or topple his government. U.S. officials dismiss those charges but say Chavez has become a threat to regional stability.

 

[The.Menace]

But relations between Caracas and Washington have become strained since left-winger Chavez was elected in 1998 promising social reforms.

I think this sentence is remarkable. "promising social reforms" - let's hate on him.

Anyway, I still don't really believe they gonna do it.

 

[MX Red]

Yeah, and they all fall for it, like Tone. Listen guys, venezuela won't take the US over. Don't worry. And nope I think they need the money way too much, they won't sell cheap gasoline. Forget about all this. Like I said before, he just enjoys to make them amercians trip and all he has to do is one interview. Classic.

You think Chavez and Castro are planing to take over the US by offering free health care and low oil prices? are u insane? That scare mongering is impressivelly stuipd even by the most extreem cold war standerds.

I do agree that this is propogander, of course it is - but that is not to say that the offeres made arnt sincere. Of course America wouldnt allow either one of these things offered to happen - no more than Cuba would accept anything that America offered that glorifies what she stands for. But if allowed Chavez and Castro would, i believe stay true to their word and offer cheep oil to poor and free healthcare and healthcare trainning - in the same way as if America offered to lift the trading embargo in return for economic reform, America would stay true to her word and lift the emargo.

Nither one of them would take the bate even though it stands to help a proportion of their respective nations - this is politics, I wouldnt start to glorify the American position since it is exactly the same as the Cuban and Ven position. And I really wouldnt start to comment on Marxist imperialist intentions considering world opinion on American forign policy at the moment.

-MX

 

[The.Menace]

LOL MX, you got something wrong.

 

[MX Red]

LOL menece - like what?

 

[The.Menace]

Like I said those other guys should chill "cause it's not like they'll take over the US" - therefor it's not really accurent to call me insaine, thank u.

 

[MX Red]

Well it is actually because u still seem to believe in the old cold war propagander...u still think the left is trying to take over the world (look at the West position at the min, for you to even start to demonise imperialist intentions is loonacy), World-Revolution died with Lenin and Trotsky, it died in 1927 - well before world war two and the cold war...Stalin wrote the doctorin 'Socialism in One Country' and stuck to it. This idea that the left had any real imperialist ambitions was false in those times let alone modern times. My point was you totally misread the situation, and looked to an outdated ideological point to justify your position, the true position of Chavez and Castro is that of helping the poor, working class - You know basic fucking socialism, yet you play on some minor point of world revolution which very few on the left today preach, least of all castro and Chavez.

You still think the left has intentions or ambitions to take over the world...this wasnt true when america first started saying it, its even less true now and makes you sound foolish even mentioning it - even though it is unlikely Chavez or Castro could take over the world, the very fact that u think they have those intentions makes u insane and very ill informed.

If there was to be a world revolution it would not be nation based but rather class based...this is fucking basic!

-MX

-MX

 

[The.Menace]

I dunno. I said "it's NOT like they try to take over the US" I dunno why you don't get this phrase but I'll try to make it even clearer:

1: I don't believe that they try to take over other countries
2: I was the first one in this thread tha tsaid it's nothing but an easy oportunity for Chavez to get attention and piss people off
3: I don't even see Venezuela as a communist country
4: therefor I don't really understand why the US is hatin on Venezuela
5: I don't think the left has intentions or ambitions to take over the world
6: therefor don't call me ill informed
7: I know about the revolution and the idea of a world with class base revolution but I don't think it's possible

Peace

 

[MX Red]

I dunno. I said "it's NOT like they try to take over the US" I dunno why you don't get this phrase but I'll try to make it even clearer:

Are u serious? this is what u said:

Listen guys, venezuela won't take the US over. Don't worry.

Thats a far cry from "its NOT like they try to take over the US", u in fact said the complete opposit.

*BIG drum roll for Menace apology please*

-MX

 

[The.Menace]

Yeah, and they all fall for it, like Tone. Listen guys, venezuela won't take the US over. Don't worry. And nope I think they need the money way too much, they won't sell cheap gasoline. Forget about all this. Like I said before, he just enjoys to make them amercians trip and all he has to do is one interview. Classic.

this is my quote, I dunno MX, I don't agree that "venezuela woN'T take the US over" isn't the opposite to "it's not like they'll take over the US". See, I used that lil word "won't" which means will NOT...so if he look at this phrase it says "venezuela will not take the US over". I really don't see how u actually think it's the opposit, I really don't. Anyway if you read the whole post you should have gotten the point anyway.

 

[Freedom Froggy]

can we just leave it at "i worded it wrong" ?

 

[M.C.Chillz]

Viva Chavez! That would be tight as hell if this were to really happen. I would only buy gas from those companies if that was the case. When I come to think of it, I dont have health insurance either. Keep it coming President Chavez.

 

[The.Menace]

Keep it coming President Chavez

lol