Bullshit War

[Freedom Froggy]

if i remember correctly soldiers and civilians were being killed just to be killed before we invaded iraq.

if you remember correctly.. then why do you still support it... because it was already happening?

if this war had happened for the RIGHT reason i would support it no doubt... but was not 1 right reason to start the war...

this time next yr... people will still be getting blown up .. soldiers will still be dying and there will be no end...... no matter how many victory speeches someone tells you...

a person who says their dying for God is not scared to die and there will be no end- insurgent extremeist

a person who dies for his country thinks about it and actually doesnt want to die but gets blew up in a road side bomb- U.S./ coalition

 

[Illuminattile]

there are good things happening over in iraq that you dont hear about. why dont you hear about it in the news? because death, murder, and tragic events make millions. building schools for children, well, no one in the news media cares since it doesnt sell.

Is building a school, in a destabilised country, which by next week could well be blown up by a suicide bomber really such a newsworthy achievement?

Though the troops are not necessarily there for the right reason, they can't just pull out of Iraq. Pulling out of Iraq is giving in to terrorism, and that's the worst possible message you can send.

 

[Freedom Froggy]

Though the troops are not necessarily there for the right reason, they can't just pull out of Iraq. Pulling out of Iraq is giving in to terrorism, and that's the worst possible message you can send.

exactly why i said we cant leave.. its too late... we have to stay

but staying in iraq has nothing to do with terrorism... it has to do with the fact that they blew there shit up for the wrong reasons now they gotta fix it

 

[Devious]

I gotta agree with Froggy on this one. It was a pointless war that the Bush Admin had to lie about to get people to support it, they had no real plan when they got there, and they still have no plan to get out. I think Bush honestly believed that they would go over there, take Saddam out of power, and all the citizens would love them for "liberating" their country. I really think he believed that, which shows the intelligence in this administration.

if i remember correctly soldiers and civilians were being killed just to be killed before we invaded iraq.

On a daily basis? I don't remember hearing about that kind of shit happening every day out there until The US and the coalition showed up. They keep saying this isn't another Vietnam, but that's exactly what this looks like to me. They completely underestimated their enemy, and now they are paying for it.

 

[Glockmatic]

the US should've focused more on Afghanistan and capture Osama; the one who actually ordered the attacks on the US

 

[PuffnScruff]

what i was saying was that sadaam and his crazy sons did the same thing but left his so called people in fear for their life. at least we are giving them a new hope. shit might be crazy now, but look into 50 years from now.

there were plenty of right and legal reasons to start this war and you should really do the research into it.

i dont fully support this war. but i'm not one of these crazy people out there screaming "you lied to us president bush" . imo he did not.

go ahead tell me how i'm brainwashed by the adminstration cause i said he did not lie to us.

 

[PuffnScruff]

I gotta agree with Froggy on this one. It was a pointless war that the Bush Admin had to lie about to get people to support it, they had no real plan when they got there, and they still have no plan to get out. I think Bush honestly believed that they would go over there, take Saddam out of power, and all the citizens would love them for "liberating" their country. I really think he believed that, which shows the intelligence in this administration.

On a daily basis? I don't remember hearing about that kind of shit happening every day out there until The US and the coalition showed up. They keep saying this isn't another Vietnam, but that's exactly what this looks like to me. They completely underestimated their enemy, and now they are paying for it.

you didnt hear about it because sadaam controlled the media in his country. have you not seen the pictures of the mass graves?

its not another vietnam. the only way it is compared too vietnam is the way it is played out over with the media and how the media covers the war.

 

[Duke]

what i was saying was that sadaam and his crazy sons did the same thing but left his so called people in fear for their life. at least we are giving them a new hope. shit might be crazy now, but look into 50 years from now.

Don't make this sound as if the US invaded Iraq out of compassion for those poor, poor Iraqi's. If so, then what's stopping you from invading the next 50 opressive regimes?

 

[Devious]

you didnt hear about it because sadaam controlled the media in his country. have you not seen the pictures of the mass graves?

its not another vietnam. the only way it is compared too vietnam is the way it is played out over with the media and how the media covers the war.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that there were daily suicide bombings and terror attacks when Saddam was still in power? No one is trying to say Saddam is a nice guy, he was a cold hearted dictator, there's no denying that. But you can't seriously believe that the country is in better shape today than it was 3 years ago.

And it definitely does relate to Vietnam, and it has nothing to do with the media. If you remember, Vietnam was never even a "war" according to the government, it started out only as a police action, and it steadily got worse and worse. Is that not what's happening in Iraq? The media is what ended the war in Vietnam, and with any luck that is how this one will end, but not with Bush in charge since he doesn't listen to what the people want, he does what Cheney tells him to do.

 

[PuffnScruff]

i didnt say there were suicide bombings when sadaam was in power.

 

[Devious]

^^^No but you were implying that the shit that's happening there now was happening before, when it clearly wasn't. People weren't terrified to leave their homes because the car parked across the street may be packed with explosives. The country wasn't in great shape when Saddam was in power, but now it's 10 times worse

 

[Baukem]

i support the war because i want america to have world domination and control over each and every arab country to pimp out their communities as well and to reign terror over the streets . bless america, the only right do-ers in the universe.

 

[Jokerman]

what's stopping you from invading the next 50 opressive regimes?

We ran out of gasoline.

 

[Khaled]

^^^No but you were implying that the shit that's happening there now was happening before, when it clearly wasn't. People weren't terrified to leave their homes because the car parked across the street may be packed with explosives. The country wasn't in great shape when Saddam was in power, but now it's 10 times worse

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that s exactly what some Iraqi friends told me a few days ago.

At least, under Saddam's regime, those who minded their own business and did not interfere in politics were safe. There were also a lot of tourists But not any more.

As far as terrorism is concerned, well, the US made it a lot easier. Now, "terrorists" can target us soldiers right in their back yards. they don't even need to plan plots to attack the US.
And also, when they target "soldiers" it cannot be considered terrorism
So after the war, the only terrorist victims were Iraquis or non us civillians.

 

[Jokerman]

Now, "terrorists" can target US soldiers right in their back yards. they don't even need to plan plots to attack the US.

Which is a good thing. Better soldiers than US civilians getting attacked. Plus, it draws all terrorists into one place--not the US--where soldiers can slowly wipe them out, as they have been doing. If one US soldier has to die for every 50 of them, that's an acceptable balance. We should stay there indefinitely.:thumb:

Open the Iranian borders and invite all the anti-US terrorists in to attack us. Bring it on. We'll overthrow the Iranian regime that way without ever invading their country. Same with Syria.

 

[Devious]

That sounds like a great plan Jokerman, that should easily create 10,000 more terrorists. As much as I disagree with "letting the terrorists win" by backing out, that is the only thing that has a chance of ending this cycle. Bush wants you to believe that these people are terrorists just for the fun of it, they have no cause other than to kill people and take over the world. We know this to be bullshit, they hate America's foreign policy, and they hate the fact that the US is in the Middle East at all. Until these things change, nothing else will.

 

[PuffnScruff]

^^^No but you were implying that the shit that's happening there now was happening before, when it clearly wasn't. People weren't terrified to leave their homes because the car parked across the street may be packed with explosives. The country wasn't in great shape when Saddam was in power, but now it's 10 times worse

no. what i was implying was that innocent people were being killed on a regular almost if not daily basis there long before we invaded that country.

it may be a little worse now with all the extremist but in 5,10,20 years from now it will be far better than it ever has been.

 

[PuffnScruff]

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that s exactly what some Iraqi friends told me a few days ago.

At least, under Saddam's regime, those who minded their own business and did not interfere in politics were safe. There were also a lot of tourists But not any more.

As far as terrorism is concerned, well, the US made it a lot easier. Now, "terrorists" can target us soldiers right in their back yards. they don't even need to plan plots to attack the US.
And also, when they target "soldiers" it cannot be considered terrorism
So after the war, the only terrorist victims were Iraquis or non us civillians.

bullshit. under sadaam people who minded their own business and had nothing to do with politics were killed for no reason. there are plenty of people who have been murdered by him or his sons.

look how many women have been raped. literaly choosen on the streets by his sons to be taken and be raped. if they didnt someone maybe even a husband, boyfriend, father, brother, or them self would be murdered.

and you say those people were safe? right.

 

[Devious]

A little worse? It's a lot worse, and as long as US forces stay there, it won't get any better. Maybe in 20 years things will have changed, but that's a pretty big maybe. There is no guarantee that any of this is going to help or make a difference in the long run and any assumption that it will be is kind of ignorant. Just look at Israel, how many times has it been said that things will get better in the future, ad it only got worse and worse. Only now do they actually have hope for a peaceful future, but I don't think it will hold. As it stands now in Iraq, the country is a lot more worse off than they were with Saddam. Nobody is saying he was a great leader, and yes he killed innocent people by the hundreds of thousands over the years, but not on the level that people are dying there now.

 

[Khaled]

bullshit. under sadaam people who minded their own business and had nothing to do with politics were killed for no reason. there are plenty of people who have been murdered by him or his sons.

look how many women have been raped. literaly choosen on the streets by his sons to be taken and be raped. if they didnt someone maybe even a husband, boyfriend, father, brother, or them self would be murdered.

and you say those people were safe? right.

and what do u know???
i have familly in Iraq, and they all agree that the situation under Saddam sucked, but was a lot better than now.