(british) class-system

[Cooper]

It's not crazy anymore, I changed it.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

It's still crazy.

You ain't Prince.....

 

[MX Red]

Anyway, we're all proletarians according to Marx.

No we are not! two main classes - few intermediate classes aswell!
peace
MX!

 

[Cooper]

WE ARE all proletarians

 

[Zero Cool]

WE ARE all proletarians

I'm not, middle class and proud of it

 

[Pittsey]

Ok.
I have opinions on where I belong in the class list but I'm open to what others think.

My parents are working class (both from Council estates) but made money from their hard work and investment. They now live in a £600,000 house. I went to School, didn't work hard, but ended up at Grammar School and worked my way up to engineering and on to management. I have various Engineering qualifications but didn't bother finishing my degree (I never went uni though) as I got a promotion. I had a year left. I am a member of the Engineering Institute. And I'd say that I'm a proffesional.

So am I working class or middleclass now?
And what will my kids be?

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Zero.....you disappoint me.

*adds another to the waiting list*

Don't worry though, there are perks to being Celtic. You are last on the list.


Pittsey, I was going to ask you how much you earn but I'm not sure you'd answer it. Give me a ballpark figure.

As for your parents, well done to them but their next generation (that was, you) will have been 'looked down on' - as such - as middle class as limited success only seems to grant admiration for the one generation. Irrelevant possibly, but this post is part stream of consciousness.

 

[Cooper]

Ok.
I have opinions on where I belong in the class list but I'm open to what others think.

My parents are working class (both from Council estates) but made money from their hard work and investment. They now live in a £600,000 house. I went to School, didn't work hard, but ended up at Grammar School and worked my way up to engineering and on to management. I have various Engineering qualifications but didn't bother finishing my degree (I never went uni though) as I got a promotion. I had a year left. I am a member of the Engineering Institute. And I'd say that I'm a proffesional.

So am I working class or middleclass now?
And what will my kids be?

I'd say middle

 

[Illuminattile]

No we are not! two main classes - few intermediate classes aswell!
peace
MX!

When I said "all" I meant my family and Calcuo's. Proletarians are wage earners. My parents don't own any businesses so they're not the bourgeousie. That makes them proletarians.

By the way, my mother group up working class. She grew up in a poor family in Ireland. My dad wasn't poor, but he wasn't particularly well-off. They both grew up less privileged than I did, which I suppose is the aim of most parents.

 

[MX Red]

Yeah, sorry, shouldnt have jumped off on one...The problem with the current state of Marxism is the total misunderstanding and oversimplification of Marxist principles - i get a bit touchy about it! Sorry mate!
peace
MX!

 

[Illuminattile]

Yeah, sorry, shouldnt have jumped off on one...The problem with the current state of Marxism is the total misunderstanding and oversimplification of Marxist principles - i get a bit touchy about it! Sorry mate!
peace
MX!

No, it's OK. I don't know much about Marxism, so what I said probably is a massive oversimplification. All I know is "proletarian", "bourgeousie" and that German-sounding word that refers to the chronically unemployed.

 

[Pittsey]

Zero.....you disappoint me.

*adds another to the waiting list*

Don't worry though, there are perks to being Celtic. You are last on the list.


Pittsey, I was going to ask you how much you earn but I'm not sure you'd answer it. Give me a ballpark figure.

As for your parents, well done to them but their next generation (that was, you) will have been 'looked down on' - as such - as middle class as limited success only seems to grant admiration for the one generation. Irrelevant possibly, but this post is part stream of consciousness.

I'll just say I earn as much as my parents wages combined.
I know class isn't related to money though.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Well, class is related to money but it takes time for this to manifest itself.

Obviously, a working class dude who wins the Lottery is still working class per se, but given particular investments (in his kid's education & such) his next generation will not be.

 

[Zero Cool]

On a serious note, does anyone believe that you are a better person per se if you are from a working class background or vice-versa?

 

[MX Red]

character has little to nothing to do with class, its only a labell!
peace
MX!

 

[Zero Cool]

character has little to nothing to do with class, its only a labell!

I agree.

 

[Pittsey]

On a serious note, does anyone believe that you are a better person per se if you are from a working class background or vice-versa?

So would I be considered Middle Class because I live in a Middle class area, I went to a middle class Grammar School and I now have a decent job and letters after my name.
Or would I be working class because I sound working class and socialise with more working class than middle class people?

 

[Zero Cool]

So would I be considered Middle Class because I live in a Middle class area, I went to a middle class Grammar School and I now have a decent job and letters after my name.
Or would I be working class because I sound working class and socialise with more working class than middle class people?

From an economic standpoint you're middle class but that's not what I'm trying to get at.

 

[Pittsey]

From an economic standpoint you're middle class but that's not what I'm trying to get at.

OK cool.
It doesn't matter to me. I just wondered.

 

[MX Red]

The problems with the definitions of class is that there is hardly no distinction anymore, there are few manual labour jobs anymore which held working class communities together - Thatcher once said 'there is no such thing as society' and 'were all middle class' - these two comments are closely related. Being working class was'nt only a economic stance, it was an outlook of us Vs them...this doesnt exist as much anymore, we all own our own houses...this wasnt the case 30years ago, we all have cars, we all go on holidays - the local pub is no longer local in the sense of a community meeting place...we go to pubs with our friends, not the people of the area...the world is a bigger place, we arnt confined to our communities anymore...our friends parents and our parents arnt friends. Society has changed, the economic side of the working class was only the determining factor in our membership to the working class - it isnt what made us working class! Before the Thatcher revolution the sense of being working class was strong, she destroyed that deliberatly.
peace
MX!