Atheists
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because most religions are/were being used for political purposes and war, whether it was the crusades, or terrorism today.
i think that religion is based on the need to believe that the world is ordered, or a rejection ofthe fact that it's chaotic. So some people take advantage of this need to try to impose their own world order
i think that religion is based on the need to believe that the world is ordered, or a rejection ofthe fact that it's chaotic. So some people take advantage of this need to try to impose their own world order
That's shallow thinking. Does it really matter whether war is in the name of religion or in the name of freedom? Plus, religion doesn't incite hate or violence. Perhaps, it's more of the religion's followers that act on their natural instinct rather on their religious teachings.
The world should be ordered. Religion trys to provide a safer way to life, by prohibiting evil things.
The world should be ordered. Religion trys to provide a safer way to life, by prohibiting evil things.
Because you would have to brainwash me to make me believe what theists believe. Not only do theists believe in something which defies all logic, but many of them are willing to sacrifice their lives for it.
A war fought for freedom against an oppressor is justifiable. A war fought because of a difference of religion, or based on religious beliefs, is not.
You can't deny that without religion, many of the world's biggest conflicts and tragedies would never have occurred. The Crusades are a perfect example.
Unfortunately, most religions are based on outdated and absurd values.
A war fought for freedom against an oppressor is justifiable. A war fought because of a difference of religion, or based on religious beliefs, is not.
You can't deny that without religion, many of the world's biggest conflicts and tragedies would never have occurred. The Crusades are a perfect example.
Unfortunately, most religions are based on outdated and absurd values.
Was this a smart reply that totally doesn't make any sense?
Taking the Iraq war into consideration here, you believe it's justifiable because it was in the name of freedom? Does it really matter how many innocent lives were lost? Wars based on religion are mostly caused by territorial feuds. While other wars were a way to liberate people. Don't make it seem as if all religious wars were caused because of difference in beliefs.
You can't prove this. Take into consideration WWII. Where the US had to drop an Atomic bomb on Japan. This wasn't related to any religion was it?
I can't speak for others, but Islam is as coherent and as up to date as could be.
^ This will bring in the most hate.
Taking the Iraq war into consideration here, you believe it's justifiable because it was in the name of freedom? Does it really matter how many innocent lives were lost? Wars based on religion are mostly caused by territorial feuds. While other wars were a way to liberate people. Don't make it seem as if all religious wars were caused because of difference in beliefs.
You can't prove this. Take into consideration WWII. Where the US had to drop an Atomic bomb on Japan. This wasn't related to any religion was it?
I can't speak for others, but Islam is as coherent and as up to date as could be.
^ This will bring in the most hate.
religion doesn't incite violence, religious people incite violence. 
and since they are supposed to be the most trusted in setting the standards between right or wrong, i think religious leaders are being assigned more responsbility than they should have.
when you use religion to set the standards for safety,you are using the ideas of right/wrong set by people u have no reason to believe have better judgement than you.
you are accepting unconditionnally to do something that you were told (isn't that the definition of brainwashing?)
also
People fighting for a religious cause don't consider themselves violent.
for example, i hear a lot of people claiming that the suicide bombers are not real muslims. but the fact remains that they think they are and they are doing it for what they think or were told was right.
you mean the state, or life in a community should be ordered, but we have no idea whether the world itself is ordered or chaotic or perfect.
We don't need the standards of religion to set laws for safety. and different religions only agree on the basics of right/wrong, but not on everything
and since they are supposed to be the most trusted in setting the standards between right or wrong, i think religious leaders are being assigned more responsbility than they should have.
when you use religion to set the standards for safety,you are using the ideas of right/wrong set by people u have no reason to believe have better judgement than you.
you are accepting unconditionnally to do something that you were told (isn't that the definition of brainwashing?)
also
People fighting for a religious cause don't consider themselves violent.
for example, i hear a lot of people claiming that the suicide bombers are not real muslims. but the fact remains that they think they are and they are doing it for what they think or were told was right.
you mean the state, or life in a community should be ordered, but we have no idea whether the world itself is ordered or chaotic or perfect.
We don't need the standards of religion to set laws for safety. and different religions only agree on the basics of right/wrong, but not on everything
he said without religion many of worlds biggest conflicts never had occured. what does he have to prove here? its a fact these conflicts occured and without religion they wouldnt have happened. easy to understand, isnt it?
so your example doesnt make any sense.
http://www.streethop.com/forum/thread150775.html
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something "islam" should do as well.
so your example doesnt make any sense.
http://www.streethop.com/forum/thread150775.html
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something "islam" should do as well.
Actually, unlike the bible, there's only one version of the Quran, and the Quran has been accepted as true, with no doubt as to the authenticity of what was written in it.
the problem however, is that the Arabic language is a lot more complicated, and there are several possible interpretation.
Also, there's no higher Islamic authority for all muslims, so no one can change or adjust the Quran (there's no equivalent to "the Church" in islam)
the problem however, is that the Arabic language is a lot more complicated, and there are several possible interpretation.
Also, there's no higher Islamic authority for all muslims, so no one can change or adjust the Quran (there's no equivalent to "the Church" in islam)
LMAO yes. That's what a religious war is. A war caused by difference of religion.
I honestly believe that if you have a religion, it does NOT make you brainwashed. In fact, I think that it's much better for you and your surroundings than if you were an athiest. Because with religion you are taught "morals" and such. Your taught love, life, a way out, etc.. Without religion, it's all on you to figure this out with your own mind.
I'm not athiest. I don't really know WHAT I am these days. I believe that the only thing you should KNOW is that there was a creator. Not even athiests can deny this. There was a creator. Whether it was a God from Heaven, a Lord and Lady (wicca), or simply just earth coincidently spinning around dust and particles and made is. We were created.
The only religions I think are ridiculous are the ones insisting that Jesus was God's son that saved us all from damnation by forgiving us of our sins. Big flaw there (for me anyway). If our God is all mighty, loving, and powerful. Why didn't he forgive us before he murdered his own child?
Long story short. It's not brainwashing. It's simply having very little opinion about the world surrounding you. "Thats a miracle!", "Thank you God", "I couldn't have done that without God's help.", "My prayers were answered". .. etc..
I honestly believe that if you have a religion, it does NOT make you brainwashed. In fact, I think that it's much better for you and your surroundings than if you were an athiest. Because with religion you are taught "morals" and such. Your taught love, life, a way out, etc.. Without religion, it's all on you to figure this out with your own mind.
I'm not athiest. I don't really know WHAT I am these days. I believe that the only thing you should KNOW is that there was a creator. Not even athiests can deny this. There was a creator. Whether it was a God from Heaven, a Lord and Lady (wicca), or simply just earth coincidently spinning around dust and particles and made is. We were created.
The only religions I think are ridiculous are the ones insisting that Jesus was God's son that saved us all from damnation by forgiving us of our sins. Big flaw there (for me anyway). If our God is all mighty, loving, and powerful. Why didn't he forgive us before he murdered his own child?
Long story short. It's not brainwashing. It's simply having very little opinion about the world surrounding you. "Thats a miracle!", "Thank you God", "I couldn't have done that without God's help.", "My prayers were answered". .. etc..
Lol, this is good. It reminds me of this religious Christian girl I know. She thinks exactly like that and now she's having some kind of crisis because things have not been going the way she expected things to go for one of God's most devoted servants. She expects to be rewarded with riches and happiness for serving God so well and now she doesn't understand why it's taking so long. It's quite sad to me. She couldn't even entertain the notion that there's no God looking over her. The whole foundation of her life would fall apart, so I don't even try to chip away at her beliefs. She'd have nothing to replace it with that would satisfy the need.
Religions controls the masses. It is a form of brainwashing, just like ANYTHING else. Religion can be seriously detrimental to free thought. Patriotism can be brainwashing, religion can be brain washing, Charlie Manson used brainwashing, anti-religion groups can be brainwashing.
Some people are trained to spit rhetoric about the bible and so on. Those are the dudes that have been brainwashed. People that are religious, yet have analyzed thier situation, and still believe in religion is fine. But the dudes who have been trained from birth to worship and all that, who condemn freedom of thought. Those religious people who advocate free-thinking I have no problem with.
Bottom-line is, religion has been a major tool in controling people ever since it was invented. Some athiests just take an aggressive stance on anti-religion. I remember that because I used to be like that untill I became more aware of how to approach religion and its followers. Its pointless to just be totally anti-religion, thats just as bad as those dudes who shove religion down your throat.
Some people are trained to spit rhetoric about the bible and so on. Those are the dudes that have been brainwashed. People that are religious, yet have analyzed thier situation, and still believe in religion is fine. But the dudes who have been trained from birth to worship and all that, who condemn freedom of thought. Those religious people who advocate free-thinking I have no problem with.
Bottom-line is, religion has been a major tool in controling people ever since it was invented. Some athiests just take an aggressive stance on anti-religion. I remember that because I used to be like that untill I became more aware of how to approach religion and its followers. Its pointless to just be totally anti-religion, thats just as bad as those dudes who shove religion down your throat.
I would also have to be brainwashed to not believe in God. i believe Atheists are just as much if not more brainwashed than any religious group. They just don't know it and refuse to accept this fact. Darwin and his religious beliefs in the unseen and the unproven aka Evolution is a main contributor to the successful brainwashing of millions of religious people into embracing something much more absurd and illogical than any religion by claiming "it's Science" when every damn thing about the theory is unscientific.
And LOL @ most wars fought over religion, name me just 2 major wars that was fought over religion besides the Crusades. i can name you dozens that wasn't. I'd say no more than 5% of all wars man has knowledge of were fought over religion thats it.
And LOL @ most wars fought over religion, name me just 2 major wars that was fought over religion besides the Crusades. i can name you dozens that wasn't. I'd say no more than 5% of all wars man has knowledge of were fought over religion thats it.
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