Are animals treated like slaves?

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#1
Just saw this story on O'Reilly.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) were holding a demonstration at some University with signs saying what's going on with animals is the equivalent of what happened to blacks during slavery. A bunch of black students were outraged and were arguing with them. What say you?
 
#3
PETA always tries to compare animal abuse to controversial events in world history for shock value. What exactly are they comparing to slavery? People who make their dogs fetch their slippers? Chinese circus workers that beat their animals with bamboo? Most animals are happy to serve their masters but if it's the latter then I see where they're getting at.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#4
I found a story on it:

PETA has suspended on a controversial new animal rights campaign just weeks after launching a nationwide tour, The Associated Press reports.

"Are Animals the New Slaves?" drew widespread criticism from civil rights groups who complained that the exhibit compared the enslavement and lynching of blacks with animal cruelty.

The 12-panel display juxtaposing such images as noosed black men hanging from trees with photos of slaughtered cows had appeared in some 17 cities before PETA officials announced they would put the campaign on hold.

"We're not continuing right now while we evaluate," PETA spokesperson Dawn Carr told The AP. "We're reviewing feedback we've received ý most of it overwhelmingly positive and some of it quite negative."

Controversy over the campaign boiled over in New Haven, Conn., last week when a protest became so heated police had to be called in to monitor the situation.

Protesters screamed and shouted at PETA officials about the display, and the president of the local NAACP chapter demanded the exhibit be removed.

Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project called the campaign "disgusting."

"Black people in America have had quite enough of being compared to animals without PETA joining in," he said.

PETA issued an apology earlier this year for a similar campaign comparing mistreated and abused animals to Holocaust victims. The group has not said whether it will apologize for the recent "Slavery" campaign, or whether they will resume the tour.

(Are they really comparing black people to animals here, or animal treatment to treatment of blacks? Is it the same?)
 
#5
Black people shouldn't be offended, they're comparing animals to slaves, which happened to be black. If the slaves weren't black it wouldn't make a difference. They're not trying to make black people look like animals, they're trying to make animals look like people.
 

Shahin

Active Member
#6
Animals ARE our slaves. I have no problem with that. Sure, people shouldnt treat them bad and if they do they should be punished, but animals are still our property as far as I'm concerned.
 
#7
Here is some more deeper stuff on it.. this is a good one

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=2d0b9436b761aae71f5d8a45d62a4690


“Horses and dogs were treated better than Blacks,” says Horton, the Grambling professor. “The psychological presupposition was that a slave was less than an animal. Slaves were considered property. They were shipped like sardines in a can…worked for years without pay and Black women were violated.”
It's true. I have a right to get offended but I won't.

Heres a funny.
http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15000578&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=6
"I am a black man! I can’t compare the suffering of these black human beings to the suffering of this cow," said Michael Perkins, 47, of New Haven. He stood in front of a photo of butchered livestock hung next to the photo of two lynched black men dangling before a white mob.

"You can’t compare me to a freaking cow," shouted John Darryl Thompson, 46, of New Haven, inches from Carr’s face.
"We don’t care about PETA. You are playing a dangerous game."
 
#10
who gives a fuck......... dogs r pets - they do what the fuck they want... they are loyal, they get fed, get walked, get a place 2 sleep, they aren't what id call "slaves"... if they dont wanna do something, they wont do it...

shit - its probably better for em 2 have a good home then 2 b livin out in the wild with them other reject smellin dogs
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#12
YAKPAC said:
who gives a fuck......... dogs r pets - they do what the fuck they want... they are loyal, they get fed, get walked, get a place 2 sleep, they aren't what id call "slaves"... if they dont wanna do something, they wont do it...
Where do you see the word "dogs" in the title of this thread?
 

Duke

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#14
They're basically right, though. I still hate PETA and I still think they're a bunch of terrorists, but their comparison isn't that far off in terms of how we (society) treats/treated them. Animals have no rights these days, blacks had no rights back then. The comparison is a bit weird because we value human life over animal life, but it really isnt that far "out there".


What should really happen is that people ought to stop listening to PETA.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#17
Here's an important insight into their tactics I found:

"Any normal person looking at PeTA's presentation must be outraged and repelled by it. Like the Holocaust on your Plate campaign, which ran for approximately 2 years and for which Ingrid Newkirk cynically issued a non-apology apology, and PeTA's grotesque exploitation of staged brutality, it's principle effect will not be to sway public opinion in the direction of Animal Rights.

But, in my opinion, it's not intended to persuade the public. I believe it's part of a larger campaign to recruit people to "direct action."

First, and of lesser importance, this particular slide show, like so much of what PeTA does, is intended to attract recruits — not many, to be sure, but recruits of the right sort: people who experience a "click moment" from having viewed the slide show, who suddenly see the Truth, and who as a result become AR apostles.

Causing "click moments" is why PeTA so relentlessly targets kids: children, with their notoriously impressionable, unskeptical and inexperienced minds, are much more likely to experience a click moment and be recruited to the AR cause than adults. And once recruited, a fair number of them will become advocates of "direct action" (harassment, intimidation, vandalism, coercion) for the cause.

Targeting kids is not a new tactic — it's what religious leaders regularly try to do, and it's what tyrants and dictators have done from time immemorial. PeTA is just following suit, taking advantage of unformed minds to mold them to their AR ideology — and it works, which is why PeTA puts so much effort into this particular program.

The second, and I believe greater, effect of such propaganda is to incite some of the True Believers to action. Indeed, in it's campaign against "Wet Seal" executives and their families, PeTA calls upon their cadre of child and adolescent True Believers to harass the unfortunates who PeTA tags as targets.

And thus do kids become apostles and activists. They learn techniques, they establish patterns of thinking and living, and they aren't shy about acting at or slightly over the edges of the law. Once "here," they are unlikely ever to go back.

And thus are born the Useful Idiots who conduct direct actions. PeTA doesn't produce bombs or hand out paint stripper to be used in "direct actions." They produce True Believers inclined towards "direct action" . . .
 

Duke

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#18
Jokerman said:
Here's an important insight into their tactics I found:

"Any normal person looking at PeTA's presentation must be outraged and repelled by it. Like the Holocaust on your Plate campaign, which ran for approximately 2 years and for which Ingrid Newkirk cynically issued a non-apology apology, and PeTA's grotesque exploitation of staged brutality, it's principle effect will not be to sway public opinion in the direction of Animal Rights.

But, in my opinion, it's not intended to persuade the public. I believe it's part of a larger campaign to recruit people to "direct action."

First, and of lesser importance, this particular slide show, like so much of what PeTA does, is intended to attract recruits — not many, to be sure, but recruits of the right sort: people who experience a "click moment" from having viewed the slide show, who suddenly see the Truth, and who as a result become AR apostles.

Causing "click moments" is why PeTA so relentlessly targets kids: children, with their notoriously impressionable, unskeptical and inexperienced minds, are much more likely to experience a click moment and be recruited to the AR cause than adults. And once recruited, a fair number of them will become advocates of "direct action" (harassment, intimidation, vandalism, coercion) for the cause.

Targeting kids is not a new tactic — it's what religious leaders regularly try to do, and it's what tyrants and dictators have done from time immemorial. PeTA is just following suit, taking advantage of unformed minds to mold them to their AR ideology — and it works, which is why PeTA puts so much effort into this particular program.

The second, and I believe greater, effect of such propaganda is to incite some of the True Believers to action. Indeed, in it's campaign against "Wet Seal" executives and their families, PeTA calls upon their cadre of child and adolescent True Believers to harass the unfortunates who PeTA tags as targets.

And thus do kids become apostles and activists. They learn techniques, they establish patterns of thinking and living, and they aren't shy about acting at or slightly over the edges of the law. Once "here," they are unlikely ever to go back.

And thus are born the Useful Idiots who conduct direct actions. PeTA doesn't produce bombs or hand out paint stripper to be used in "direct actions." They produce True Believers inclined towards "direct action" . . .
Truth. THey're a bunch of freakishly devoted fanatics. It's a cult. They should be Waco'd.
 

ArtsyGirl

Well-Known Member
#19
Certain animals are treated like slaves, dancing bears come to mind, animals that get well fed medically looked after are not a good comparison to the treatment of slaves. And comparing a slaughtered cow to a lynched man doesnt fly either, especially if the cow was killed for food purposes its part of our diet and the circle of life.
 

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