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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
The price difference will likely be $100 when the S6 bumps down to $99 and the S7 at $199. After that, it's basically the same. After having the S3 for 3.5 years, I'd rather get the latest and greatest than get something I could've gotten a year ago, albeit for a higher price.

At this point it just comes down the "newness" factor and I don't mind having to pay more for it in this case. If I were coming for a 5 or 6, then it'd be different, but a 3 has a lot of features it missed out on, Samsung Pay being the biggest one. And for that reason, I don't think I'd root my phone. But Titanium backup is a huge plus for me and I'm not sure how I'd restore all my apps and their settings and data without it.
 

masta247

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Yeah, I checked it out. It's not a bad phone, especially the edge variant. The S7 is not as good for its time as the S6 was. The S7 edge is, however, putting the edge formula into a complete product, that is more balanced than the previous ones. I mostly mean size, after making one that was too small for some, and one that was too big for about everyone.

The S7 edge takes much better use of the size - it weighs almost the same as the regular S7 despite much bigger screen.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Yeah. I want the Edge only for the slightly bigger screen but more importantly for the bigger battery. But that one is $249 on contract, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe $100 more than the S7, so $299. That's a bit pricey. I'll have to see it in the store and decide then. I plan on being better about upgrading when my time comes since the phone subsidy is still built into our phone contract for 2 years. Me not upgrading for an extra 1.5 years meant I paid more for my S3 over the course of that time. That makes these monthly lease plans attractive for people like me that hold on and get real picky about upgrading their phones.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Some Sprint members that preordered from Sprint are getting their S7s tomorrow. Over a week early.

I need to drag my mom to Best Buy and get their special deal which gets us a VR Gear and a bonus 64 GB SD card for free for pre ordering.

Taking the price into consideration, even when I said it wasn't much of an issue, I think I may pass on the Edge. The larger battery would be nice but if my mom goes for the S7, I will too. If she likes the Edge, which she said she did from the pictures, then I'll feel less guilty about it.

Now just to get her to go preorder in store.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Sprint stores have been getting the S7 preorders in since earlier this week. But they've been told not to give them to customers until the 11th, a week from tomorrow. That must be torture to see your package shipped and delivered and can't do anything about it.

Went to the Sprint Store today and while they didn't have the S7 out for demo, I asked the manager and he gave me his fully functional demo of the S7. Damn it feels nice. My mom liked it a lot too so I think we're both set on the S7 and not the Edge. It's $100 more and I thought about it for a while and I wouldn't really use the Edge features all too often, like the clock on the side or the shortcuts that could be assigned to the corners. That's what always-on is for, right?
 

masta247

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That's what always-on is for, right?

Always on is for displaying time and notifications on the screen even when the screen is off. Due to AMOLED screen, it can do that with minimum impact on battery because only small amounts of pixels are lit. It works on regular S7 also in exactly the same way.
The Edge features are gimmicks that I don't think anyone would really care about. You pay extra for the extra screen size and cooler design points, that's about it. The battery life will also be a little better on it.

If you like the S7, I'd say go for it. It's like an S6 upgraded with features that were missing on it and slightly different design concept, and my S6 is working great for me. It felt like a natural upgrade to my S4 which I was very happy about. I think you're going to be very pleased after upgrading your S3 to the S7.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Always on is for displaying time and notifications on the screen even when the screen is off. Due to AMOLED screen, it can do that with minimum impact on battery because only small amounts of pixels are lit. It works on regular S7 also in exactly the same way.
The Edge features are gimmicks that I don't think anyone would really care about. You pay extra for the extra screen size and cooler design points, that's about it. The battery life will also be a little better on it.

If you like the S7, I'd say go for it. It's like an S6 upgraded with features that were missing on it and slightly different design concept, and my S6 is working great for me. It felt like a natural upgrade to my S4 which I was very happy about. I think you're going to be very pleased after upgrading your S3 to the S7.

Yeah, that's what I meant in terms of the function of always on. Both the Edge and the S7 have the tech but the Edge had the ability to display the clock on the curved edge too. So it could be used as a bedside clock that displayed only on the curve. What I was saying was I would be fine just using the always on feature on the S7 since I can see it just fine and don't need the curved edge to display it at an angle just for when I'm lying down.

Best Buy moved my 'ready" date for tomorrow, 3/7, but I doubt I get it since I preordered so late. I think there are plenty of people above me on the pecking order so they'll get theirs tomorrow and I may have to wait a few extra days or even all the way until Friday, the original release date. That's OK, that's what I was originally promised anyway. Only the people getting theirs this weekend or even earlier last week made the waiting game even worse that I wanted it earlier just like them.

And yeah, I decided to forgo the cheaper S6 and get the S7 because I'd been waiting so long. Many people are coming from the S5 because the upgrade cycle for them played out that way. Some S6 people are taking the small bump up as well. But there aren't too many folks coming from 4+ year old S3s quite like me. I figured go big this time around. I'd been on the fence for so long on getting a new phone, starting with the Nexus 5.

Have you seen some of the screen on time some people are getting? Seems like 5 hours, easily, and some reporting 8. One said he could've done 10 if he really wanted to. That's incredible. The camera shots people are taking are breathtaking too.

Side note, I'm binging season 4 of House of Cards. Guess what phones and tablets they're using? S6 Edges and whatever tablets Samsung has. Just rubbing it in.
 

masta247

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Have you seen some of the screen on time some people are getting? Seems like 5 hours, easily, and some reporting 8. One said he could've done 10 if he really wanted to. That's incredible. The camera shots people are taking are breathtaking too.

Side note, I'm binging season 4 of House of Cards. Guess what phones and tablets they're using? S6 Edges and whatever tablets Samsung has. Just rubbing it in.


Without gaming I'm getting around 5-7 hours on my S6, and for movie watching I did around 10 hours on a train with ~30% battery life left due to AMOLED screen being awesome for movies.
In general I do wireless charging on my S6 at home and at work so my battery rarely goes below 70%, but when traveling I charge it every second night.
I'd expect the S7 to easily do 30-40% better.

And yeah, I love the S6 camera. The S7 takes even better night pics (which sounds insane coming from the S6 which properly captures all the freaking stars on a night sky with little noise) and focuses faster, even though the resolution is somewhat lower.
 

Pittsey

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I'm just going to prolong the life of my G3 by installing CM13. Once I can get TWRP on it....! I still get compliments on it's looks.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
For the S7 camera, check this one out, how crazy it is, especially in the dark, compared to a big ass 1000$ Canon camera :
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...sted_against_that_of_canon_70d-blog-17084.php
There was a day this was going to come.

Finally got mine earlier today. Brought it home and activated it myself, which made me wonder why carriers have stores with more than one employee. Is this the shit they get paid to do, just go through menus? I'd fucking love that job.

A lot of people reported a short break in period before they got those amazing battery stats, so I'm expecting it to be real shitty the first few days but still better than my S3 was. The S3 was getting about 15 hours of life with LTE always on.

Do you have a case for your S6? I really should get a minimalist one although my accident with my S3 happened with something dropping directly on the glass by a freak accident. I don't want a case that would alter the look or responsiveness of the screen, though.....
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I'm loving this thing. I get LTE pretty much all the time in my room. Which was a big issue before. I attribute that to having a phone with the compatible radio bands for Sprint's upgraded network. I streamed an entire episode of Shameless from the Showtime app with 0 buffering.

Camera is pretty sweet.

I remember people laughed at Apple for bringing a fingerprint reader to a phone. But this thing is so damn useful. And fast. I love it.

People laughed at HTC for sacrificing MPs and trying to improve low light picture. They didn't execute it right but the idea was pretty spot-on. Samsung has done an awesome job with it this time around.

Not really missing the Edge features. The OS is just so fast and smooth. "OK Google" works flawlessly compared to my shitty S3 on CM 12.1.

Battery life hasn't been the best but I'm still attributing that to me using it a ton more since its new. Fast Charging more than makes up for it. 45 mins from 25% to full.

Used Samsung Pay at Walgreen's today and that went pretty well too.

I was really missing out on Android the last 3.5 years while using a 4 year old phone.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I'm similarly happy with the performance of my G3 on CM13
Yeah, I think I owned the oldest Android device on this forum with my S3. I was missing out on a lot of features. It was like going from a beater to a real car with power windows, locks, etc.

Those of you with newer devices, the changes may not be as radical. I felt the S3 was "fine" with CM 12.1. I removed the carrier bloatware in spite of CM running rather lean on apps and resource hogs. But then I used voice search (OK Google) on my S7 with better LTE reception and the latest OS and it is just fluid as hell.

I used to watch popular video reviewers, like MKBHD, review a phone and use Google features and see it all react instantly. Search found the results, opened up apps, etc. in the blink of an eye. I didn't quite have that with the S3 and it wasn't too evident until I actually used the S7 and saw that my S3 was actually running on all cylinders and still had to play catch-up when loading results or opening apps.

So on newer devices, I'm sure you can get by with using custom ROMs to stay up to date with the latest features and performance updates Google puts into Android. But a 4 year old device like my S3 can only go so far. It worked fine to message and text and the rare phone call, but to use it like a device-of-the-future with voice search and results coming up instantly and other countless features Android has introduced since then, that's a whole new world for me.

I did read something strange that seems to have come out just today. Samsung possibly used two different camera sensors in the S7. One was Sony and the other one was....just another one. Maybe Samsung's own? I dunno. I'll have to find that article and actually read it. I just scrolled by the headline on Twitter since I was doing something else but it was a bit disconcerting without even reading what the article had to actually say.

Actually, just went and found it: http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-s7-edge-isocell-sony-sensors-678779/

Sony vs. ISOCELL. I'm no professional photographer but I am still a shutterbug. It appears as if the US variants are using the Sony sensor and I confirmed this on my device with the app they used. The international ones seem to be rocking the ISOCELL. So the S6 had a similar "scandal" with this as well? Did not know that. That's OK. The iPhone 6 or 6S had the same split with their SOC, if I'm not wrong. As usual.... "Apple did it first." :p
 

masta247

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Actually, it's common to use different parts for different markets or even mix them up in products. Your TV? Unless it's super high-end likely the same model comes with panels from completely different manufacturers and you'd only know by checking its serial number. I know, because I was actually doing that almost 9 years ago with my PC monitor to get "the best one".

The Iphone 6s comes with completely different processors at random - one is made by Samsung at 14nm, one is made by TSMC at 16nm - that's completely different architecture design and completely different manufacturing process. Yet, they are tweaked to perform the same, as in general the Samsung 14nm process is superior they spent much more time to make the design for the TSMC 16nm node more efficient, so real life performance gets as close to the other one as possible.

In case of the S6, they also came up with different camera sensors. Mine came with the Samsung Isocell one, the review units came with Sony sensors. The difference is marginal and should not spoil your enjoyment of the product at all., since different units of the same module from the same manufacturer are likely as different as the average difference between the Isocell and Sony sensor. In case of the S6, the further updates tweaked them to be impossible to tell apart, with the Isocell starting with less saturated colors in the original software realease, it was tweaked to be exactly the same after the first updates.

But if you're still thinking about it, since you have the Sony sensor, that should make you feel even better, since it is believed to be marginally superior when you compare just the sensors themselves, even if it's tweaked to output photos that look the same as the Isocell.
 

masta247

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You mentioned people giving shit to HTC for making cameras with less pixels. I think going with 3/4mpx sensors was just way too small, especially if you consider the fact that Samsung had similar low light performance with their 13mp sensors and better processing. Now Samsung made a small step back to 12mpx, from 16mpx. It's much more reasonable, and the same move that Google also rightfully made with their latest Nexus phones. That said, I'd be hard pressed to choose between my 16 mpx camera on the S6, which is known to take awesome nights shots, or the 12mpx camera which goes even futher from A to A+ in night shots but has slightly lower resolution.

The problem with HTC is that they just couldn't make a single good phone camera and I still think that it translates to many other aspects of their phones - they lack technological maturity, trying to make up for it by wrapping their phones in metal. Now as others do it too, including other Chinese and Taiwanese companies (that's what HTC is), HTC has obsolutely no selling points and don't stand out compared to previously less lucky Chinese companies that now come up with very similar products at a third of HTC's price.

The problem gets even bigger, since those other companies are surpassing HTC. At this point, Xiaomi invests much more into their R&D and quality control than HTC, which is bleeding money and fired top staff, yet HTC is still trying to pull the "premium one" move. Their phones don't sell outside of Taiwan and the US (which surprises me that they still do). Why does it make any sense in HTC's world?

It seems like the new HTC flagship seems to not be in any way competitive so far, going by the leaks. It has nothing on the newest Xiaomi Mi5, yet it surely will be at least twice as expensive. Why? They're both designed and manufactured in the same countries of low workforce costs and use same internals, yet Xiaomi is now led by ex top Google legend, they are hiring top engineers and designers, including many of ex-HTC people, and the best local experts, who offer best bang for the buck and grew with other companies, including HTC.
At this point HTC is left with inferior people, less budget and still stick to the "price premium" strategy which now is just too obviously ridiculous - they don't even have anything on their local competition which offers better product at a fraction of the price. Yet HTC is still trying to be a fraud, shipping their phones to the US for the price of other legit flagships that many people put a lot of money and effort to make.
 

THEV1LL4N

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I really hope Xiaomi can get into the EU market and sell devices around here - it would be great if they had some warehouses in the EU to help with shipping costs which should mean more sales directly from them instead of resellers.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
You mentioned people giving shit to HTC for making cameras with less pixels. I think going with 3/4mpx sensors was just way too small, especially if you consider the fact that Samsung had similar low light performance with their 13mp sensors and better processing. Now Samsung made a small step back to 12mpx, from 16mpx. It's much more reasonable, and the same move that Google also rightfully made with their latest Nexus phones. That said, I'd be hard pressed to choose between my 16 mpx camera on the S6, which is known to take awesome nights shots, or the 12mpx camera which goes even futher from A to A+ in night shots but has slightly lower resolution.

The problem with HTC is that they just couldn't make a single good phone camera and I still think that it translates to many other aspects of their phones - they lack technological maturity, trying to make up for it by wrapping their phones in metal. Now as others do it too, including other Chinese and Taiwanese companies (that's what HTC is), HTC has obsolutely no selling points and don't stand out compared to previously less lucky Chinese companies that now come up with very similar products at a third of HTC's price.

The problem gets even bigger, since those other companies are surpassing HTC. At this point, Xiaomi invests much more into their R&D and quality control than HTC, which is bleeding money and fired top staff, yet HTC is still trying to pull the "premium one" move. Their phones don't sell outside of Taiwan and the US (which surprises me that they still do). Why does it make any sense in HTC's world?

It seems like the new HTC flagship seems to not be in any way competitive so far, going by the leaks. It has nothing on the newest Xiaomi Mi5, yet it surely will be at least twice as expensive. Why? They're both designed and manufactured in the same countries of low workforce costs and use same internals, yet Xiaomi is now led by ex top Google legend, they are hiring top engineers and designers, including many of ex-HTC people, and the best local experts, who offer best bang for the buck and grew with other companies, including HTC.
At this point HTC is left with inferior people, less budget and still stick to the "price premium" strategy which now is just too obviously ridiculous - they don't even have anything on their local competition which offers better product at a fraction of the price. Yet HTC is still trying to be a fraud, shipping their phones to the US for the price of other legit flagships that many people put a lot of money and effort to make.
Yeah, I was sure on the technicalities of what HTC did with their camera, I just know their concept was good but the execution was not. Samsung just came around made it better in addition to their hardware simply being superior.

I had read the Sony sensor was better, so yeah, that was a sigh of relief for me. Even though I know fuck all about sensors and photography in general, it just feels good knowing mine isn't "inferior." :D

HTC was a weird company for me from the beginning. I had not heard of them until they made the Touch Pro, or something like that, in 08 or 09. It was a WinMo phone at a time when everyone had and wanted BlackBerries. I still remember looking up HTC's site to see what exactly it was they had on the market. Back then, smartphones were a luxury so seeing internet and documents on a phone screen that wasn't pixelated was amazing for me back then. I didn't much from them after that.

It wasn't until Android came to Verizon in the US the Moto Droid and HTC Droid Eris were released and I got the Eris. That's when I got HTC in my system and remembered them from before. And their UI back then was ground breaking, albeit laggy since it was on a 528 mhz CPU with like 128 MB of RAM, or something like that. It was a well-built phone. It felt premium compared to the Droid since it had a rubber back and the glowing trackball that just looked cool when it flashed for notifications. And they had a hit with the Droid Incredible and a few other models, but they still somehow managed to stay in the red and struggled financially.

I don't know what happens to them now. They were supposed to shut down a few years back, around the time the M8 came out, right? It was the M8 that brought them back on the map because it looked so nice for an Android phone. It was comparable to the aesthetics quality people associated with the iPhone and its premium feel. But they've remained stagnant, as you said. Shitty hardware at flagship prices. Other, smaller manufacturers gained popularity in that time. OPPO had a few hits on its hands. Huawei came out of no where to become a Nexus supplier. I don't know much about Xiaomi but I imagine it's big everywhere but the US. HTC is just sitting their scratching its nuts as LG and Samsung fight for the top Android spot.

Whatever it is, I just want Android brands to remain competitive. I used to brush off a lot of the stuff as "gimmicks" but after getting my S7, these features are just examples of companies actually trying. No matter how inaccurate it may be, S Health is pretty damn amazing. Once it's refined to be more accurate, it becomes just one more amazing thing our phones can do. Voice search still blows me away despite using it before it became an Android feature. Remember an app called VLingo? It was pretty accurate even back in 2010 when it came out. Voice search has improved a great deal since then, but it still makes performing tasks much easier. I'm sure many don't think too much about it now, but that's just one of those features that any small advancement in it and I'm like a little kid just enthralled with it.

I had 2 Samsung specific questions.

One, I downloaded Package Disabler Pro and had it disable whatever it considered to be bloatware. It took the apps out the drawer and performance wasn't lagging much to begin with but I don't notice any change in performance anyway. Is there anything else I can do to help this thing run lean? I don't need speed, since it's already so fast, but more for battery life. I know I do some glaringly obvious things. I am never on WiFi. Even on my S3, I was able to finally get better LTE service in my house and LTE was always on outside the house, too. With the S7, it's only faster and more reliable. But I do have "OK Google" voice detection on all the time. I love it, but I'm debating turning it off once the novelty runs out. I have Samsung Pay so my NFC is always on, I guess. Brightness is about 30% and I disabled auto-brightness since I figured sensing lighting was also draining some battery. I always leave bluetooth on because I have it hooked up to my car for calls. Outside of that, I haven't messed with the settings. Anything to disable or values to modify to decrease battery drain? I wish I had root so I could use BetterBatteryStats to see what used how much power but I don't think I'll be rooting this thing to preserve Samsung Pay and avoid tripping KNOX.

Second, is using Fast Charging all the time going to be bad for the battery? I feel like this is an obvious answer but if I can get a full charge in less than an hour or so, I'd still like to keep using that, even though my battery life is pretty OK otherwise and I'm never dangerously low until late nights. 8:30 AM to 7PM and I usually have ~40% leftover.
 

Casey

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1) I just bought a Nexus 6P. It may arrive tomorrow or Monday. I'm excited.

2) I used a Gear VR today that a friend had. Holy fuck. That is some impressive shit.

3) I also met someone last week who had a Xiaomi phone. It cost him like £100 and it looked, felt, and performed like a £300 phone. Once they launch outside of China/India, shit's gonna get real.

Congrats on your new phone tennis_dog (yeah i took it back old skool)
 

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