It seems there has been a lot of eagerness lately to dis The Us government and what not on this board lately. I just want to point out the fact that certain things going on should not reflect certain views of the American people. Take Iraq for example, no one really wants to be their, we are just supporting our troops not their cause. Im truly afraid things might start to happen to Americans who travel abroad because of one dumbass from Texas. Does anyone else see things happening if changes aren't made within our government, just seems lately a lot of hostility is starting to approach the US.
American hate...
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no one really wants to be there? well, if this war is/was such a big mistake in the eyes of the majority of americans then i dont understand why more than 50% voted for Bush again. i mean this war alone should have been a reason to not vote for him again...
and to answer your question:
i think the situation for american citizens was worse months ago. right now i dont think its that bad..
Well for every action there is a reaction. Unnecessary wars generate hostility. Hostile foreign policy also generates hostility. If there is a backlash, as unfortunate as it may be, one could not say it is surprising.
beReal has a good point, although there are no doubt people in the US whose opinions differ to those of the government, voters elected the Bush administration for the second time, therefore it would seem, they do speak for a substantial percentage of the population. (Having said that, I understand the frustration it that may cause to be represented by a government who professes to speak for their country, meanwhile I happen to disagree with them....John Howard...grrr).
In any case, I dare say, criticisms do not stem from hatred or the desire to "bring them down." Rather I think, there are a lot of us who would simply prefer things happen differently and do not like this imposed "new world order" - so to see international relations unfold as they have is somewhat frustrating...and at the heart of it is the United States.
beReal has a good point, although there are no doubt people in the US whose opinions differ to those of the government, voters elected the Bush administration for the second time, therefore it would seem, they do speak for a substantial percentage of the population. (Having said that, I understand the frustration it that may cause to be represented by a government who professes to speak for their country, meanwhile I happen to disagree with them....John Howard...grrr).
In any case, I dare say, criticisms do not stem from hatred or the desire to "bring them down." Rather I think, there are a lot of us who would simply prefer things happen differently and do not like this imposed "new world order" - so to see international relations unfold as they have is somewhat frustrating...and at the heart of it is the United States.
got news for you...the 50% percent that voted for bush...the majority of that was old middle class white families..thats who votes in the presidential campaign period...and i think the percent that kerry got was all from the younger generation voted, and from hollywood. And until the younger generation starts voting and getting involved in politics more things will never changed.. just remember for every youth that votes.....30 people from an older generation vote...my brother is in the navy....thank god not military...and i fucking hate bush...and there is talk about reinstating the draft..which worries. me because my bf is turning 18 next year. and its a chance if the draft comes into play that he might get chosen..along with other young guys who want nothing to do with it..and if the american people really were for bush..then how come there is a shortage for people in the military than what we need? first time in like 4 decades i believe...if we were behind bush we would reach the number of soldiers that we need....in hind site..bush is a fucking prick who needs to be assassinated.and yes i support the troops, they are fathers, daughters.sons,husbands. i support them. fuck bush and all that run the government right now...they are all idiots. because is behind the wheel of this country....
^ bush needs to be put to sleep..and i dislike the american goverment because of the non intellectual people that make the decisions in this country. All the people involved in the government right now have no intellect what so ever, because Mr. President Bush hand chose them all.
Sorry, is that better? didnt know i would offend anyone
Sorry, is that better? didnt know i would offend anyone
50% that voted for bush is white middle class? Perhaps that is true, perhaps it's not. It's not really relevant. Fact remains that of voting American, 50% did vote for Bush. The people (children etc) who can not vote are of course free of guilt, they cant affect the vote. But i consider the people who don't vote and then complain 10 times worse than the Bush-voters. If you can make a difference, but then don't and still complain, they deserve to catch more heat than the ones who voted for Bush. At least they stand up for their beliefs. The ones who don't are the stupid bastards. And there are quite a lot of those. Not saying you are one of course, but your line about "thats who votes in the presidential campaign" made me think about it.
On Aristotles post:
Yes, that's true. Partially. And not only on this board. I see it happening everyday in my country. Sadly though, people as a whole are ignorant as fuck, to put it boldly. When Americans abroad are treated "unfair" or "unjust" relative to, say, a Canadian or New Zealander, because of American government policy, that's not right at all. You treat someone as an individual, not based on, even if partially based on, their governments actions.
But that's not what people do. When the American government pursues an aggressive foreign policy, Americans as individuals are getting the heat for it when they're abroad. Regardless whether they voted for Bush or not.
And if we simplify matters, 50% of that hate is more or less justified. After all, 50% did vote for Bush, but then again the other 50% didn't.
Which also reminds me. Americans themselves are absolutely not free of such "hating on foreigners". Remember all the stupid hate on France and other European countries after they refused to support the US in Iraq? Christ, that made me puke. Some Americans really have that cowboy mentality. Like "fuck everyone else, God bless America and Europe can sod off". Well yes, that type of behaviour doesn't make America loved here in Europe.
On Aristotles post:
Yes, that's true. Partially. And not only on this board. I see it happening everyday in my country. Sadly though, people as a whole are ignorant as fuck, to put it boldly. When Americans abroad are treated "unfair" or "unjust" relative to, say, a Canadian or New Zealander, because of American government policy, that's not right at all. You treat someone as an individual, not based on, even if partially based on, their governments actions.
But that's not what people do. When the American government pursues an aggressive foreign policy, Americans as individuals are getting the heat for it when they're abroad. Regardless whether they voted for Bush or not.
And if we simplify matters, 50% of that hate is more or less justified. After all, 50% did vote for Bush, but then again the other 50% didn't.
Which also reminds me. Americans themselves are absolutely not free of such "hating on foreigners". Remember all the stupid hate on France and other European countries after they refused to support the US in Iraq? Christ, that made me puke. Some Americans really have that cowboy mentality. Like "fuck everyone else, God bless America and Europe can sod off". Well yes, that type of behaviour doesn't make America loved here in Europe.
People who abuse Americans because of their government's actions or policy in certain areas are idiots, period. For every action there is a reaction. When big decisions are made there will always be people opposed one way or another. Funny how the same opposition voices are still ignoring the enormous progress Iraq has made since Saddam's toppling, some things just never change 
Aristotle, as beReal has already stated, the majority of the country voted Bush in so....
And you can use Iraq as an example, or Afghanistan, or Iraq in the Gulf War, or Iran, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or Nicaragua, or Korea, or America's enviromental policies or their violation of any & every rule the international community puts forth - including the Geneva Convention - or their overt Christianity, or the history of discrimination etc, etc.
Fact is, while all countries have dirty deeds in their history, America never seems to learn from her mistakes.
And you can use Iraq as an example, or Afghanistan, or Iraq in the Gulf War, or Iran, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or Nicaragua, or Korea, or America's enviromental policies or their violation of any & every rule the international community puts forth - including the Geneva Convention - or their overt Christianity, or the history of discrimination etc, etc.
Fact is, while all countries have dirty deeds in their history, America never seems to learn from her mistakes.
I know americans think that way but that's just stupid. Let's go to war and not say a word against it cause we have to support the troops and then, when anyone is dead, 5 years later when the war is over, we admit that it was wrong to go to war?..... that's stupid. If you are not for the war, raise your voice, don't be quite just to support the troops..... If you're quite the only consequence is that more soliders will die. How is that supportin the troops? I don't get this damn "support the troop" argument, it sucks.
I can respect that. I ain't for the war but if someone else is, ok, we can discuss. But I don't like the peeps that are against the war but feel like we have to support the troops now. When Kerry said he's against the war then anyone hated on him.....he ain't supportin the troops, he wants to see Americans die. That's bullshit. Choose one side, you're pro war or against it, that's the cause, the idea and the troops are the way to convert this idea. So eigther you are for the idea or not, but you can't be against the war and yet support the ones that fight for an idea that you dislike. That's bullshit and I hate it when people come up with it.
You shouldn't say this on a public forum. You could get the Secret Service investigating your ass. They got software that automatically scans the internet and detects key word associations like that with any reference to the President, and then they decide if it's worth investigating further. I'm sure in this case, they'll see it's just an expression of anger and not a plan.
But if you were to say, for instance, "I'll pay anyone who assassinates....." then ur ass would definitely be getting a call.
But if you were to say, for instance, "I'll pay anyone who assassinates....." then ur ass would definitely be getting a call.
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