All created equal

[Illuminattile]

My point exactly.How's it that some people are rich, famous, popular, intelligent, athletic, etc etc and others are the precise opposite?does it even out somehow or in general the first person is better?How can he better when we're all human beings and all created equal?Does it even out?

We're not "created equal" in the sense that we all have the same level of ability just spread out differently.

Let's say you're playing The Sims and you're creating a custom family. Each character starts with a number of base points you can spread out over different areas. Some of the characters will be better than others in certain areas, but they'll all be even.

That's not how it is in real life. The term "created equal" is misleading because it implies a sense of "intelligent design". Nobody sits down with a piece of paper and says "OK, this kid isn't going to be too smart but we'll make up for that by making him athletic". How 'good' you are at something is down to what you get given (nature) and what you do with it (nurture). Nothing guarantees you're on the same level as the next guy.

Good point, but how's it fair that one person feels like he's got everything, regardless of wether we think it's superficial or not and another feels empty inside and like he's got nothing, like his life has got less value than the other person?Is it our fault that it's the kinda "system" we use to look upon someone and decide on what their life's worth?

It's not fair. Life isn't fair.

 

[Khaled]

That's not how it is in real life. The term "created equal" is misleading because it implies a sense of "intelligent design". Nobody sits down with a piece of paper and says "OK, this kid isn't going to be too smart but we'll make up for that by making him athletic". How 'good' you are at something is down to what you get given (nature) and what you do with it (nurture). Nothing guarantees you're on the same level as the next guy.


It's not fair. Life isn't fair.

Can't say i really agree
even with the absence of any intelligent deesign, and if you consider the world completely chaotic, and given the number of things to take in consideration (like imagine 100 attributes other than intelligence and athleticism),
with basic probability, i can still see a world where everyone is created equal.

 

[Illuminattile]

Can't say i really agree
even with the absence of any intelligent deesign, and if you consider the world completely chaotic, and given the number of things to take in consideration (like imagine 100 attributes other than intelligence and athleticism),
with basic probability, i can still see a world where everyone is created equal.

You can't possibly compare any of these attributes, though. If I can run a four minute mile, how high does your IQ have to be for us to be 'equal'? The whole idea that everyone is equally talented or 'blessed', albeit in different ways and areas, is just a nice idea. It's something your parents say to you when you can't kick a football, you're no good at algebra or you can't play the piano.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Of course we all arent created equal, some people can do stuff others cant, and vice versa, but then you got people that are trash, they're not smart, not social, not talented, and serve no purpose whatsoever.

 

[Diaz]

Of course we all arent created equal, some people can do stuff others cant, and vice versa, but then you got people that are trash, they're not smart, not social, not talented, and serve no purpose whatsoever.

Like Jossy.

 

[Khaled]

Of course we all arent created equal, some people can do stuff others cant, and vice versa, but then you got people that are trash, they're not smart, not social, not talented, and serve no purpose whatsoever.

but they might be happy, whereas other people might be miserable..

You can't possibly compare any of these attributes, though. If I can run a four minute mile, how high does your IQ have to be for us to be 'equal'? The whole idea that everyone is equally talented or 'blessed', albeit in different ways and areas, is just a nice idea. It's something your parents say to you when you can't kick a football, you're no good at algebra or you can't play the piano.

I'm not actually suggesting that everyone is equally blessed or talented, and i agree that this argument doesn't hold if you consider an intelligent design (as you said in your 1st post)

but if you look at it from the opposite way: The only reason why things such as talent or intelligence are praised because of society, but they might not have a value of their own. They cannot be quantified (like the standards of beauty change depending on the society you live in)... This is precisely why you can't say that we are not created equal, because you cannot say this attribute is worth more than this other...

The only way you can compare is by using your own personal judgement, which is related to your own randomly casted attributes. So if you imagine a world that is run completely randomly, and an infinite number of attributes, and a long enough timeline, we are all equal

run the numbers... it works

 

[critikaldesignz]

Everyone's BORN equal, but throughout life, factors such as education, environment, beauty, family, etc, alters the outcome of life.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Everyone's BORN equal, but throughout life, factors such as education, environment, beauty, family, etc, alters the outcome of life.

Then again, there are people born without limbs.

 

[haunted]

Everyone's BORN equal, but throughout life, factors such as education, environment, beauty, family, etc, alters the outcome of life.

Thats false. Everyone is Born equal but throughout life factors such as laziness alters the outcome of life. All that other stuff you listes is propaganda.

 

[devils_advok8]

Thats false. Everyone is Born equal but throughout life factors such as laziness alters the outcome of life. All that other stuff you listes is propaganda.

So what if you were lazy, but rich, intelligent, good looking, well-educated, etc?You would'nt take to get up for work on because you're lazy, but those couple of hours you go are enough to turn everything around?
I like what critikaldesignz thinks on the subject.It's the type of answer I was looking for.Short and simple yet answers most of my questions.

 

[critikaldesignz]

Thats false. Everyone is Born equal but throughout life factors such as laziness alters the outcome of life. All that other stuff you listes is propaganda.

Laziness isn't a factor, it is an OUTCOME.

To become lazy, one must be in an environment where certain individuals choose to not exercise or do labor.

And posting what is mostly true is propaganda? I think your opinions are propaganda. I thought this is a forum for intelligent people to speak their minds.

 

[haunted]

Laziness isn't a factor, it is an OUTCOME.

To become lazy, one must be in an environment where certain individuals choose to not exercise or do labor.

And posting what is mostly true is propaganda? I think your opinions are propaganda. I thought this is a forum for intelligent people to speak their minds.

Obviously you are black and trying to put all of your problems on the white man.

 

[Bina]

Everyone's BORN equal, but throughout life, factors such as education, environment, beauty, family, etc, alters the outcome of life.

so when ur born blind, or deaf, or without arms or any other disability, is that being born equal? i think not.