All created equal

[devils_advok8]

Do you believe that we were all created equal?As in, no human being is better than another.Like "person A" can be more intelligent, better looking, has more money, a better life, etc, than "person B" but all in all they're both somehow equal?Like person B must have other things to cover up for what person A is superior?
If not, do you think it's fair?Do you think we should all live under the "survival for the fittest" motto?
Finally, do you think there's nothing one could do about it as it's in you or you pick it up with time?To sum this point up for those who find trouble getting it is, if you believe we werent equal or created equal, do you think you can born better than someone else or it's up to you to make yourself better than others/the way your parents raised you?

 

[Ghetto_Ghost]

no, we are not created equal

somone in a wheelchair is not equal to me
i am not equal to someone whose IQ is 180

 

[k69atie]

^^ i agree, i don't believe we are all created equal either

 

[Salar]

i'll make 2 points, none being my opinion and frankly i don't know where i sit with 'equality'.

1) Don't you think it all balances out. The person in the wheelchair will have more passion, more determination, more heart than the person with 2 feet. The person with an IQ of 180 won't be as social smart as the person with an average IQ. Don't you think that it all simply just evens out. We're all just good at some things and terrible at others. Or just plain average at everything.

2) Should the phisycality and mentality of a person actually determin if they aren't a different person. Isn't the one thing that actually matter is the human soul. True we don't that's something we don't look at hence the fact ath we don't see equality but isn't the human soul the only thing that IS, and mind and body is just for here for the sould to experience what it already knows.

 

[not really ken]

no, we are not created equal

somone in a wheelchair is not equal to me
i am not equal to someone whose IQ is 180

you missed what he said!! Person in a wheelchair is seemingly at a disadvantage BUT is this difference made up for in the sense that the person in the wheelchair may have money/ children/ a warm and content heart etc...

My stance is clear on this. Judgement day, every soul shall have justice done onto it.

 

[S O F I]

Well, some kids get created when their moms get raped, and some get created at a honeymoon at the bahama's with aroma candles in the room.

PS. Shut up, I know that's not what the question is asking.

 

[Jokerman]

The answer is that, by being human, we are all equal--equal as persons, equal in our humanity. One individual cannot be more or less human than another, more or less a person. The dignity we attribute to being a person rather than a thing is not subject to differences in degree. The equality of all human beings is the equality of their dignity as persons.

That is what Jefferson meant by "All men are created equal." (And by "men" he meant mankind.) A more accurate statement of what he was saying would be, All human beings are by nature equal.

There is no other respect in which all human beings are equal. The contrary is true. In every respect other than their possession of the same species-specific properties and powers, inequalities in degree prevail. But as far as rights are concerned, every person's common humanity is all that's important. That confers "unalienable rights" on all.

 

[devils_advok8]

Thanks people, some insightful comments i see.But none of you have answered my question.The whole point of my thread was what makes a person better than another, and does it somehow even out or not?

 

[Jokerman]

Well, my reply says that nothing makes a person better than another. Not better where it counts, in their common humanity.

 

[Khaled]

i kinda agree with the One...
I think somehow, all are created equal, but there are so many things to consider like: intelligence, looks, talent, luck/ opportunity, pain, love...

if you're asking what make someone better than another, than this is a social question. it depends on what you are judging by.
what i hate is when people are criticized when they get by lifef bwcause of their good looks, whereas others are praised becaue of their intelligence. after all, being smart or good looking is not up to you.

 

[Illuminattile]

Like Jokerman said, it's not meant to imply that each of us has a balance of mental/physical/emotional traits that, combined, are equal to the next man.

"Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common utility."

1) Don't you think it all balances out. The person in the wheelchair will have more passion, more determination, more heart than the person with 2 feet. The person with an IQ of 180 won't be as social smart as the person with an average IQ. Don't you think that it all simply just evens out. We're all just good at some things and terrible at others. Or just plain average at everything.

No. Some people are rich, famous, popular, intelligent, athletic, kind, passionate, determined and courageous and some people are the precise opposite. There's no balance. The only reason one could have for thinking that everyone is equal in tangible terms like that is because a) it's a nice idea and b) the truth doesn't paint a very nice picture of God

 

[Baukem]

its cuz people judge
but in g*ds eyes every human is equally responsable for its actions
and when ur born... the truth is... ur equal to everyone else.. u just get into a society that things it can discriminate by race, money or intellegence

 

[Amara]

Do you believe that we were all created equal?As in, no human being is better than another.Like "person A" can be more intelligent, better looking, has more money, a better life, etc, than "person B" but all in all they're both somehow equal?Like person B must have other things to cover up for what person A is superior?

What you are asking seems to be two separate questions because the statement of us all being created equally implies to me notions of worth and as Jokerman said - possessive of human rights. In terms of social reference I would say it is possible that we are unequal. Spiritually/Theorectically I think we are equal. What makes us equal, in the latter sense, is the realisation that we are unable to measure the worth of the individual based on those superficial characteristics you described.

So you can never be deemed "better" than anyone (in the eyes of God, or whoever) simply because of the circumstances of your life. Those circumstances are irrelevant. Possessions, looks etc are superficial terms of reference and I would add, purely social means of differentiating between people.... which we as weak and competitive entities use to determine what we believe is "worth." Ultimately though, if you strip down and see past the bullshit - human beings and the essence of "our souls" are equal.

 

[Khalil]

I think we all started equal, just like all tree tree's grow from the same substance, it's just some are 'higher' and 'lower' based on what we've set our self towards.

Think of a light, now we all have access to this light. Whatever we hold in our mind will either increase or decrease the light we project on our selves, the blank canvas.

What we are is a result of the thoughts our mind harboured/harbours, we create our realities just as we can create a work of art, I read once that thoughts matter fore 'thoughts are matter.'

I feel we are all here to learn about ourselves, so every experience we are in is there to help us learn, only through experience will we know and when we know we truly have knowledge.

peace.

 

[devils_advok8]

Some people are rich, famous, popular, intelligent, athletic, kind, passionate, determined and courageous and some people are the precise opposite.

My point exactly.How's it that some people are rich, famous, popular, intelligent, athletic, etc etc and others are the precise opposite?does it even out somehow or in general the first person is better?How can he better when we're all human beings and all created equal?Does it even out?

 

[devils_advok8]

What you are asking seems to be two separate questions because the statement of us all being created equally implies to me notions of worth and as Jokerman said - possessive of human rights. In terms of social reference I would say it is possible that we are unequal. Spiritually/Theorectically I think we are equal. What makes us equal, in the latter sense, is the realisation that we are unable to measure the worth of the individual based on those superficial characteristics you described.

So you can never be deemed "better" than anyone (in the eyes of God, or whoever) simply because of the circumstances of your life. Those circumstances are irrelevant. Possessions, looks etc are superficial terms of reference and I would add, purely social means of differentiating between people.... which we as weak and competitive entities use to determine what we believe is "worth." Ultimately though, if you strip down and see past the bullshit - human beings and the essence of "our souls" are equal.

Good point, but how's it fair that one person feels like he's got everything, regardless of wether we think it's superficial or not and another feels empty inside and like he's got nothing, like his life has got less value than the other person?Is it our fault that it's the kinda "system" we use to look upon someone and decide on what their life's worth?Do you really believe that survival should be for the fittest?

 

[devils_advok8]

I think we all started equal, just like all tree tree's grow from the same substance, it's just some are 'higher' and 'lower' based on what we've set our self towards.

Think of a light, now we all have access to this light. Whatever we hold in our mind will either increase or decrease the light we project on our selves, the blank canvas.

What we are is a result of the thoughts our mind harboured/harbours, we create our realities just as we can create a work of art, I read once that thoughts matter fore 'thoughts are matter.'

I feel we are all here to learn about ourselves, so every experience we are in is there to help us learn, only through experience will we know and when we know we truly have knowledge.

peace.

Good point, my man.That's the kind of answer I was looking for.

 

[The.Menace]

Do you believe that we were all created equal?

yeah. no man or women is better then someone else cause of his color, relgion or whatever. Some might have an higher IQ then others but that doesn't mean they should rule the world. We all are just human - and that means small and weak.

 

[devils_advok8]

I see that some people didnt get my questions but are actually asking them again!
So I'll give it another try.
What some of us think make a better person might differ in the eyes of others.Take socializing for instance, alot of us might think being a social person is a good thing, but there's an old arab saying, that, translated roughly, says that keeping your distance from people is a bless.The less people you know, the better, or the more you keep your distance from people, the better.
Or knowledge.I'm sure alot of you here have heard of the good ol' saying, "Ignorance is a bless", and I think that at times it's true.
Or being a nice person that everybody likes.What if some people took it as weakness?What if being an asshole is actually better than being nice?
Would it better if we were all the same, living happily together, sharing the same worries, thoughts, knowledge, etc. or would it better if we lived in the kind of world we're living right now?

 

[The.Menace]

What some of us think make a better person might differ in the eyes of others.

That's why, I think it's useless to say "I'm better then this man" cause I see it only through my eyes, therefor my conclusion is, we are all equal.