Tupac and his Pen

[Bender]

I would like to use this thread to document everytime Tupac used the word 'Pen' in his lyrics, I will start ...


"Dear baby, it's me again
stuck inside this max Pen
tryin' to pay me debt, for all my sins, see?" - soon as I get home


"Wanna break my Loc out, smokin blunts
Gettin drunk off that Tanqueray gin
Bout to break my nigga out the fuckin Pen
Mama raised a hellrazor, uhh, yeah" - hellrazor

"Learn how to think ahead so I fight with my Pen" - to live and die in LA

"cost me more to be free than a life in the Pen making money off of cuss words, writing again" - to live and die in LA

"I swear the Pen write across from hell" - to live and die in LA

"Been waiten way too long, fresh out the Pen, now it's on" - wanted dead or alive


These are some of the best examples I can add write now, there are loads more in Tupacs lyrics. Please add post/write some more to this thread

 

[masta247]

okay I see, but apart from the fact that he thinks about 2 different things when he mentions "Pen" - Pen as jail and pen as his pen (like that thing you write with) what is the point of this thread? :cheesy:

I'm a bit drunk but trying to put myself in a more sober situation I think I still wouldn't get it.

 

[Casey]

"Dear baby, it's me again
stuck inside this max Pen
tryin' to pay me debt, for all my sins, see?" - soon as I get home

= penitentiary

"Wanna break my Loc out, smokin blunts
Gettin drunk off that Tanqueray gin
Bout to break my nigga out the fuckin Pen
Mama raised a hellrazor, uhh, yeah" - hellrazor

= penitentiary

"Learn how to think ahead so I fight with my Pen" - to live and die in LA

= ink pen.

"cost me more to be free than a life in the Pen making money off of cuss words, writing again" - to live and die in LA

= penitentiary

"I swear the Pen write across from hell" - to live and die in LA

Wrong. It's not the "pen write", that doesn't make any sense. It's the "pen right" as in the penitentiary is right across from hell.

"Been waiten way too long, fresh out the Pen, now it's on" - wanted dead or alive

= penitentiary

 

[Tha_Wood]

neg repped

 

[SiGh]

Tupac always wrote with crayons. Black crayon.

Fact.

 

[Da_Funk]

Not this again...

 

[Bender]

he thinks about 2 different things when he mentions "Pen"

You confirm his ambiguity.

Wrong. It's not the "pen write", that doesn't make any sense. It's the "pen right" as in the penitentiary is right across from hell.

My bad. His pen is right across from hell as in opposing. His pen is heaven! Tupac loved pens

neg repped

Fascist.

Tupac always wrote with crayons. Black crayon.

Fact.

Not this again...

Please leave my thread love yeshua.



I know some of you might find it hard to believe but 2Pac was a writer and a poet, he wrote a lot of lyrics as performance poetry for his raps. To do this he used a pen. This thread acknowledges that the pen is mightier than the glock 9mm.

 

[Devious]

here we go again. you may think that this is what Pac meant or what he was doing, but you don't know it to be fact, so i don't know why you keep trying to present your interpretations of his lyrics as fact. it's quite obvious to anyone that most of tose references are to the penitentiary and not to the pen he is writing with, but you are entitled to your own interpretations. just stop trying to represent your opinions as actual fact.

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Oh god STFU already. God you literally became one of the most annoying membes within a few weeks.

 

[Casey]

His pen is right across from hell as in opposing. His pen is heaven! Tupac loved pens

Don't be a moron.

If I said "the bakery is right across from the cinema", does that mean the bakery is the opposite of the cinema? Of course it doesn't, it means it is near it.

You are pulling this shit out of your ass.

His literal meaning was that the penitentiary was the closest thing to hell on earth. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nothing to do with ink pens or writing.

 

[Bender]

Is this one of those 'everybody knows but doesn't talk about it' things? If that is the case then I fucking apologize for breaking an unspoken ethical/moral law, ... twats.

 

[Devious]

what are you talking about dude? not everybody knows what you think you know because you don't KNOW anything. this is all speculation on your part, your interpretations of what you hear in his music. there is nothing in what you posted that proves your interpretations, so don't get pissed at people for trying to contradict them. after all that is what this forum is for, discussions of opinions. seriously, some people on this board really need to learn to have a discussion without having to be right all the goddamn time or acting like little children whenever anyone disagrees with them. the only one being a twat here is you for getting all pissy when people don't agree with your interpretations.

 

[Da_Funk]

Is this one of those 'everybody knows but doesn't talk about it' things? If that is the case then I fucking apologize for breaking an unspoken ethical/moral law, ... twats.

Nope your just fucking stupid. An apology for that would be nice tho.

 

[Bender]

I didn't give any evidence to back up my opinions, I gave you the blueprint. You have the same thing that I have, it is not different. I just look at it from a bigger perspective and get a bigger picture of what I see.

It sounds to me like people are too caught up in this thug image persona that is a concept Pac created himself. He introduced thug life, and even said 'it is deep'. I am talking about a poet talking about a pen. It is just a coincidence that a 'pen' is also an abbreviation for penitentiary, and people associate this word with his thug image. Heed the reason why I have been talking about the ambiguity in his lyrics.



"cost me more to be free, than a life in the pen
Making money off of cuss words, writing again"

Casey, do you really think that Tupac is talking about a penitentiary above, when Pac makes a direct reference to the pen and writing in the same sentence?


Tupac was a poet before he became a thug. That is a fact. He wrote poetry when he was twelve, was he a thug then?

 

[Devious]

so because Pac was a poet, that means that every time he ever said pen, no matter what the context he was saying it in, he never meant the penitentiary, he was laways talking about his pen. even when it is blatantly obvious that he is referring to the penitentiary, he really means his pen. wow, i don't know how i could never see this before, it all makes perfect sense now. you don't see things from a bigger perspective, you just see it from a different one. don't let your ego get carried away on you again there.

and yes, yes i do think Pac was talking about the penitentiary in that line. why would he make a veiled reference to his pen that no one would understand and then specifically mention writing in the next verse? and why would he use the word free in context with the pen if he's really talking about his pen? and yet still, why would it cost him anything to live "in his pen" if that pen is writing and the writing brings him money? this is the problem with most of your theories, there are obvious meanings to what he says when you look at the context in which he is saying them, but you choose to believe he uses a secret code or some shit to veil his true meanings. as a matter of fact i have to wonder how much of Pac you really know. Pac himself said numerous times that he liked to keep his rhymes simple. he knew the people buying his shit weren't poetry readers or deep thinkers, they were street cats he was making those records for. but you have him using all these veiled references and metaphors in all his lyrics that most people wouldn't understand, the exact opposite of simplicity. do you think Pac was a hypocrite? a liar? because if you really believe all the stuff you're saying in these posts, that is basically what you're saying, that he was a liar.

and i said this in the other thread but you either missed it or chose to ignore it. PAC WAS A THUG. you can't just pretend he wasn't because you don't want to see him that way. Pac wasn't only a thug, he was many other things, but he lived the thug lifestyle and was proud of it. which is why he talked about it so much in his lyrics. to try to take away that side of him does him a huge disservice. you can't see the big picture if the angle you're viewing it at doesn't show you all sides of the picture.

 

[Casey]

"cost me more to be free, than a life in the pen
Making money off of cuss words, writing again"

Casey, do you really think that Tupac is talking about a penitentiary above, when Pac makes a direct reference to the pen and writing in the same sentence?

Of course he is talking about a penitentiary. There is no alternate meaning behind the phrase "in the pen". He is not living inside an ink pen. That's possibly the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Just leave it alone.

Oh, and the word "writing" comes 7 words after the word pen, whereas the word FREE, as in NOT BEING IN JAIL, comes 5 words before it.

 

[Tha_Wood]

Of course he is talking about a penitentiary. There is no alternate meaning behind the phrase "in the pen". He is not living inside an ink pen. That's possibly the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Just leave it alone.

Oh, and the word "writing" comes 7 words after the word pen, whereas the word FREE, as in NOT BEING IN JAIL, comes 5 words before it.

lmao yeh i was looking at that as well. does he think that tupac meant he lives in a ink pen?

 

[Casey]

lmao yeh i was looking at that as well. does he think that tupac meant he lives in a ink pen?

apparently.

 

[Bender]

lmao yeh i was looking at that as well. does he think that tupac meant he lives in a ink pen?

I am saying his voice lives in the pen, duh! Which is what this is all about.

 

[Tha_Wood]

thats fucking retarded. not surprising seeing as u posted it tho.