Iranian President Ahmadinejad visits Columbia University

S O F I

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Intro by Columbia U. President Bollinger and Part 1 of Ahmadinejad's speech

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoYvQpxCmBE[/YOUTUBE]

Part 2

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncAKWJy9KEM[/YOUTUBE]

Part 3

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9_TW1LEdvI[/YOUTUBE]

Part 4

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s39S8I4DH8[/YOUTUBE]


Part 5

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPsIxOukwyg[/YOUTUBE]

Part 6

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XE9yYwcZpI[/YOUTUBE]

What puzzles me is how frequently Ahmadinejad's remarks were applauded by the crowd present, keeping in mind that there's a large Jewish community in the area.

The funniest part was when he said that Iran has no homosexuals like the US does. PWNED! Although, I don't believe that is true.
 
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I haven't watched the video, but according to Richard & Judy in today's Daily Express :)rolleyes:) he was laughed at and booed. They said it was a great day for democracy.

Didn't he engage in a little holocaust denial too?
 

S O F I

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I haven't watched the video, but according to Richard & Judy in today's Daily Express :)rolleyes:) he was laughed at and booed. They said it was a great day for democracy.

Didn't he engage in a little holocaust denial too?
I don't know, I didn' t hear boos, I heard laughter and applause. He made the US look bad. He made Columbia University look like totalitarians and made himself look like a peaceful and rational man. He was directly insulted a few times by the Columbia U. President and he responded in a very polite manner as to saying "When we invite a guest to Iran, we don't treat them in an unfriendly manner, etc".

He did not engage in holocaust denial. When asked about it, he kept saying that the research done in the world about the subject is all from the perspective of the Holocaust occurring and no research is being done to see whether the Holocaust actually did happen. So, he was asking for more research to be done because the Holocaust is not "absolute fact". I mean, what he said is stupid, but he's not stupid enough to bluntly deny it in an academic setting.
 

PuffnScruff

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#5
iranian president tom looked kind of dumb saying there are no gays in iran. 60 mins did a piece on gays in iran not too long ago. the youtube video was posted on drudge shortly after he said it. then there are also sites like this one...
http://www.homanla.org/New/outiniran.htm

i think what president tom really ment to say was "we are killing all the gays in iran so soon there will be no gays in my country"
 

Preach

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iranian president tom looked kind of dumb saying there are no gays in iran. 60 mins did a piece on gays in iran not too long ago. the youtube video was posted on drudge shortly after he said it. then there are also sites like this one...
http://www.homanla.org/New/outiniran.htm

i think what president tom really ment to say was "we are killing all the gays in iran so soon there will be no gays in my country"
lol exactly

any person who is persistent in destroying israel for the simple fact that his religious beliefs tells him jews are not supposed to have that country can say whatever he wants, i'm still gonna make my own assumptions to EVERYTHING he says.

the way he acted is almost challenging to me. i wanna slap him in the face, get him heated to show the real madman lol. this guy is fucked in the head and understands how to manipulate people, or he wouldn't be president there.
 

Rukas

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You know, theoretically he is actually right. I havent seen the last two videos yet. But he is right in regards to Iran's right to peaceful nuclear technology (Id even argue they have a right to military nuclear technology as do all nations as long as the US has the same right).


What he is asking in regards to the Holocaust issue is what does Palestine have to do with it and why are they suffering as a result of something that happened that they had nothing to do with. He did say it occurred, he isnt saying it didnt happen, he is asking why more research isnt being done and why Palestine is paying for something they didnt do.
 

Glockmatic

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You know, theoretically he is actually right. I havent seen the last two videos yet. But he is right in regards to Iran's right to peaceful nuclear technology (Id even argue they have a right to military nuclear technology as do all nations as long as the US has the same right).
Sure, Iran can have peaceful nuclear technology, except they have hidden what they are doing with that nuclear technology. Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which means they can't create nuclear weapons without severe penalties.

A country that says that Israel should be wiped off the map should not have nuclear weapons. The world doesn't need more countries with nuclear weapons, what if some crazy fundamentalists take over a country with nuclear weapons? They aren't just going to let it sit there, they'll want to use them.
 

S O F I

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I think much of the world has really misconstrued what Ahmadinejad has stated, all the way up to the media figures in the press.

When he said Israel should be wiped off the map, he meant that the state of Israel should not exist because he believes Palestine has a right to the land. He didn't say all Jews withing the borders should be slaughtered.

Now, who knows what he's actually thinking.

As for the nuclear proliferation, he's merely a realist who wants to increase his military and political power by acquiring these weapons. However, the issue is that when he does acquire these weapons, it may be too easy for terrorist groups like Al-qaeda to acquire them....and this is all spoken from a perspective that he's not already cooperating with terrorist groups. That's why the US has a big problem with that.

I do NOT believe that Iran would use nuclear weapons to nuke Israel or any other country for that matter. Iran would be nuked to smithereens by the US .
 

PuffnScruff

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maybe instead of shelling the kurds, like iran has been the past few months, they will just cut their losses(artillery) and drop one big a-bomb or h-bomb instead.

i think there was one, maybe two, speeches that president tom did that have been proven to be taken out of context or translated wrong, but i have seen others where they dont just show a clip or two, but a good portion of the speech and he says some things that could be considered not only racist and hateful but also shows he really does wants to rid the world of jewish people the same way he is getting rid of the homosexuals in his country.

one thing i think people should look at in his trip to the u.n. in new york recently is who is behind organizing his events. he had events planned to meet with families that had lost loved ones on 9/11. who planned that? it wasn't him....
 

Preach

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I do NOT believe that Iran would use nuclear weapons to nuke Israel or any other country for that matter. Iran would be nuked to smithereens by the US .
The emotional humanitarian in me likes to think that people know better. Unfortunately for him, he is confined by my emotional experiences.

The realist in me is able to see a pattern when a president wants a state removed. How would he ever manage to do that in a humanitarian way? Tell them to please discontinue their government and just "disappear" or hand the country over to others? In a smaller spectrum, the people employed by the government of Israel would never agree to this. Relinquishing their powers, their funds, losing their salaries and life-styles. I don't see it happening without some sort of war being waged. I don't know but mister president seems pretty persistent that Israel should not exist.

The question then becomes, should we risk the potentially disastrous outcomes of letting a near sociopath have access to nuclear technology, and to a further extent, nuclear weaponry only to maintain our idea that everyone has equal rights? The grander perspective: The middle east is a hot place and shit is bound to pop off in one way or another. The examples already used, the prospect of a union between the Iranian government and a terrorist group, aren't too far out there. Iran wouldn't let U.N. inspectors get full insight in how they have chosen to utilize what is so far known about nuclear technology, right? Doesn't that tick something off with you, that he's hiding something from the world? It doesn't seem off at all?

Regardless, that's my reasoning. It's a great risk to take and I don't see why ANY country should have nuclear weapons. Right now, a few have them and that's more than enough. And what if the Iranian president in his lunacy decides to actually send a bomb into Israel? Sure America is gonna bomb the whole country to smithereens, then what? A toxic wasteland is left there, inhabitable. And wind currents would spread toxic waste over the whole region. In the end, once the damage is done there is no going back and prohibiting Iran from making nuclear weapons, to me, is about preventing that damage from ever being done.

Last but not least, the President (presumably as I don't really know) should be a Muslim right? Allow me to crack a slightly demeaning joke to get my point across: What do we know about Muslims? Well lots of things, but one of them is that a lot of Muslims like the idea of dying to serve a greater purpose. I am not making any implications here, just throwing the idea out there that maybe the President goes on a rampage because he believes he is carrying out Allah's will for the greater cause, or something equally insane.
 

Rukas

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#12
I think much of the world has really misconstrued what Ahmadinejad has stated, all the way up to the media figures in the press.

When he said Israel should be wiped off the map, he meant that the state of Israel should not exist because he believes Palestine has a right to the land. He didn't say all Jews withing the borders should be slaughtered.

Now, who knows what he's actually thinking.

As for the nuclear proliferation, he's merely a realist who wants to increase his military and political power by acquiring these weapons. However, the issue is that when he does acquire these weapons, it may be too easy for terrorist groups like Al-qaeda to acquire them....and this is all spoken from a perspective that he's not already cooperating with terrorist groups. That's why the US has a big problem with that.

I do NOT believe that Iran would use nuclear weapons to nuke Israel or any other country for that matter. Iran would be nuked to smithereens by the US .
:thumb:

Exactly.
 

Jurhum

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#13
Before I reply to Preach's comment, I'd like to address a few points that were brought up in this discussion.

First thing is the degrading reception of the president of Iran. Columbia's faculty did a very poor job in receiving the Presidnt. Calling him a "petty and cruel dictator" while being there guest of honor, is completely manner less of the faculty. However, Ahmadinejad did a great job in replying to that comment. He showed that he can be more civilized than those claiming civilization while attributing barbarism to him.

Second, Ahmadinejad's remark about homosexuality could have some merit to it. Although I disagree with the way he handled that question, he still had a point. In Iran there might not be homosexuals or there might be. It would be difficult to prove such a thing since it's illegal to be homosexual there. I've read a few news reports in regard to this question where some newspapers gave the execution of two teenage boys as example for "raping" younger kids. We must keep in mind that the punishment for any kind of rape is death in Iran. So to give that as example of punishing homosexuality in Iran is ridiculous.

As for the nuclear program, that's a very complicated issue. Maybe the existence and sovereignty of Iran depends on a nuclear program. Look at what happened to Iraq. Iraq has been invaded and is no in chaos by the same countries that claim that they are working to better the world and to stabilize it. Contradictory if you ask me.

As for Preach's comment, I thought it was childish to some extent.

The realist in me is able to see a pattern when a president wants a state removed. How would he ever manage to do that in a humanitarian way? Tell them to please discontinue their government and just "disappear" or hand the country over to others? In a smaller spectrum, the people employed by the government of Israel would never agree to this. Relinquishing their powers, their funds, losing their salaries and life-styles. I don't see it happening without some sort of war being waged. I don't know but mister president seems pretty persistent that Israel should not exist.
It's easy to judge when you are living in a country where you don't have to worry about your house being demolished or your family being exiled without the possibility of returning to their own home any time soon. You don't have to wake up to gun shots every day in the morning. You sleep soundly every day. You see, palestine is the land of it's original inhabitants not of those that migrated to it after Hitler did what he did.

Unfortunately, the people that used to live in palestine were manipulated and cheated out of their land. then superpowers aided the Zionists with man power and weapons and many other things to take over the land.

The question then becomes, should we risk the potentially disastrous outcomes of letting a near sociopath have access to nuclear technology, and to a further extent, nuclear weaponry only to maintain our idea that everyone has equal rights? The grander perspective: The middle east is a hot place and shit is bound to pop off in one way or another. The examples already used, the prospect of a union between the Iranian government and a terrorist group, aren't too far out there. Iran wouldn't let U.N. inspectors get full insight in how they have chosen to utilize what is so far known about nuclear technology, right? Doesn't that tick something off with you, that he's hiding something from the world? It doesn't seem off at all?
sociopath? that's funny. Last time I've heard is that Bush is the one invading countries not Ahmadinejad. I believe that every country has the right to develop nuclear weapons just like the US or Russia just to maintain their sovereignty. The possibility of terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons from Iran is as high as getting it from Russia, China, India, Pakistan or any other country.

Iran insists that it is enriching Uranium for peaceful purposes. I'd like to give Iran the benefit of the doubt.

Regardless, that's my reasoning. It's a great risk to take and I don't see why ANY country should have nuclear weapons. Right now, a few have them and that's more than enough. And what if the Iranian president in his lunacy decides to actually send a bomb into Israel? Sure America is gonna bomb the whole country to smithereens, then what? A toxic wasteland is left there, inhabitable. And wind currents would spread toxic waste over the whole region. In the end, once the damage is done there is no going back and prohibiting Iran from making nuclear weapons, to me, is about preventing that damage from ever being done.
It didn't stop the US from using the A-bomb against Japan even though had no nuclear weapons at that time. You see. what will guarantee Iran wont be a victim of the US or any other country with nuclear weapons such as Israel. Israel has shown that it will attack any country it deems a threat to it even without reasonable cause just like it did against Iraq and recently Syria.

Last but not least, the President (presumably as I don't really know) should be a Muslim right? Allow me to crack a slightly demeaning joke to get my point across: What do we know about Muslims? Well lots of things, but one of them is that a lot of Muslims like the idea of dying to serve a greater purpose. I am not making any implications here, just throwing the idea out there that maybe the President goes on a rampage because he believes he is carrying out Allah's will for the greater cause, or something equally insane.
I won't dignfy this with an answer.
 

PuffnScruff

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israel's recent attacks on syria had plenty of reasonable cause, or do you just ignore the facts because it supports the "zionist"
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411388088&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
iranian weapons in syria going into the hands of Hizbullah

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2512380.ece
oh look, just before the bombing a raid was done and nuclear material from north korea was seized

what will guarentee israel wont be the vitcim of an atomic bomb being dropped on them from iran or even an h-bomb?

president tom isnt a dumb man, he knew cameras would be on him and he knew the world, especially the u.s., would be watching him at columbia. he wasn't going to say anything out of line. but i think the 60 mins interview that was aired days before shed a better light on him.

and if iran really only wants nuclear energy then they should have no problems letting the iaea do their job and allow them to do inspections and interview people and scientists involved in their program, right? so why don't they allow the iaea to do just that?
 

Preach

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I'm well aware of my bias and misinformation regarding the middle east and Muslims. i don't have time to read and respond right now, but i probably will later.
 

Casey

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Ahmadinejad is a very intelligent man.

I haven't watched these videos yet but he TOTALLY PWNED the U.K when those navy folks were caught trespassing in Iranian waters earlier this year.
 

Glockmatic

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First thing is the degrading reception of the president of Iran. Columbia's faculty did a very poor job in receiving the Presidnt. Calling him a "petty and cruel dictator" while being there guest of honor, is completely manner less of the faculty. However, Ahmadinejad did a great job in replying to that comment. He showed that he can be more civilized than those claiming civilization while attributing barbarism to him.
Thats the beauty of America. Do you think a person in Iran would be able to call the president a cruel dictator and get away with it? Free Speech allows him to say that and get away with it.

Second, Ahmadinejad's remark about homosexuality could have some merit to it. Although I disagree with the way he handled that question, he still had a point. In Iran there might not be homosexuals or there might be. It would be difficult to prove such a thing since it's illegal to be homosexual there. I've read a few news reports in regard to this question where some newspapers gave the execution of two teenage boys as example for "raping" younger kids. We must keep in mind that the punishment for any kind of rape is death in Iran. So to give that as example of punishing homosexuality in Iran is ridiculous.
There might be murderes in Canada, there might not be, its hard to prove because murder is illegal in here. Iran's law is based on Sharia law, and homosexuality is punishable by death in it.

I'd reply to more of this but I gotta get to class
 
#18
Ahmadinejad has been a lot more explicit about his Holocaust Denial in Iran, including Iran's hosting of an event discussing whether or not the Holocaust happened and inviting Holocaust deniers.

Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons. They promised not to develop them by signing the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. I know there's a lot of US bashing in this forum, but do you guys honestly think it's a good idea to let a country that's financing and using Hezbollah and Shiite militias to fight proxy wars in Israel and Iraq get nukes? America has already offered to provide Iran with the nuclear fuel necessary to run nuclear power plants, so long as Iran doesn't enrich its own uranium. That offer was refused.

And I can't believe anyone would try to argue with a straight face that Ahmadinejad, when he says Israel should be wiped off the map, intends or means that it should be done so peacefully.
 
#19
And I've probably said this a thousand times on this board, but Israel wasn't created as a result of World War II or the Holocaust. Israel was promised by the Brits to Jews in 1918. And a very small minority of the Jews that were in Israel in 1948 survived the Holocaust. Most of the Jews in Israel in 1948 had come to the land before World War II or were expelled from their homes by Arab nations in the 1940s.

When people like Ahmadinejad try to tie the creation of Israel to sympathy for the Holocaust, it's a load of crap.
 

Sebastian

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#20
Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons. They promised not to develop them by signing the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. I know there's a lot of US bashing in this forum, but do you guys honestly think it's a good idea to let a country that's financing and using Hezbollah and Shiite militias to fight proxy wars in Israel and Iraq get nukes? America has already offered to provide Iran with the nuclear fuel necessary to run nuclear power plants, so long as Iran doesn't enrich its own uranium. That offer was refused.
Obviously it would be the best if no one had nuclear weapons. Since that is not possible i cant see why some countries should have the right to own them and some not. Im happy germany doesnt want to own nuclear weapons though.

You know, knowing about all the shit the us did in the last few decades and the shit they are still doing to this day makes it sound so damn laughable to hear them talking about what other countries should/shouldnt do to make this world a better place.
 

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