So..... Muhammad was a pedofile
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Sure he can.
They dont aks themselves if its really the best way to do something. Its already the best way to do it just because he did it! They cant back up their opinion with logic or anything else for that matter. In their eyes, they dont even have to. I mean, they are not even allowed to voice the slightest bit of criticism, i think.
Now, when you think about it, its kind of sad and frightening at the same time (not for me personally, but if you look at the bigger picture): Something is written down in a book. And just because it stands in there (and in all the other valid scriptures) it makes it perfectly ok. The opposite side knows they have a problem because some passages even talk about him flying to heaven on a god damn horse. Ok, got that?
Anyone see a problem here?
They dont aks themselves if its really the best way to do something. Its already the best way to do it just because he did it! They cant back up their opinion with logic or anything else for that matter. In their eyes, they dont even have to. I mean, they are not even allowed to voice the slightest bit of criticism, i think.
Now, when you think about it, its kind of sad and frightening at the same time (not for me personally, but if you look at the bigger picture): Something is written down in a book. And just because it stands in there (and in all the other valid scriptures) it makes it perfectly ok. The opposite side knows they have a problem because some passages even talk about him flying to heaven on a god damn horse. Ok, got that?
Anyone see a problem here?
Because it's not good at all.
I know for sure that I wouldn't "beat" any child and that here it's illegal.
No, it didn't come to my mind because I find both unacceptable. "light" beating of children is sort of "less terrible" to me because it was more common in my society than beating women.
And that's the whole point - because we're not talking about what is morally okay, what is not and which society is more barbarian. I'm talking about the fact, that if you're going to a different society you should adjust.
Even IF beating kids was okay in the "barbarian western society" using violence agains women is not.
So anyone deciding to live in that society has to adjust and be aware that something might happen to him if he decided to beat his wife like he feels is okay. That is because it's not okay there where he lives now.
He might also encounter someone using violence against a kid and the best thing to do would be getting used to it even if it wasn't okay in his original culture.
That's all I'm trying to say, even though these examples were very extreme since mostly muslims get annoyed by things that are not even bad my "western" ethics.
I am not living in a muslim country and some of their whereabouts wouldn't be tolerated here. My whereabouts wouldn't be tolerated in their countries.
It's annoying that because of this they're making problems outside of their countries where religion is not over everything else.
And I think that religious whereabouts shouldn't get any special treatments. It's just stupid as it would lead to a lot of bad things.
I know for sure that I wouldn't "beat" any child and that here it's illegal.
No, it didn't come to my mind because I find both unacceptable. "light" beating of children is sort of "less terrible" to me because it was more common in my society than beating women.
And that's the whole point - because we're not talking about what is morally okay, what is not and which society is more barbarian. I'm talking about the fact, that if you're going to a different society you should adjust.
Even IF beating kids was okay in the "barbarian western society" using violence agains women is not.
So anyone deciding to live in that society has to adjust and be aware that something might happen to him if he decided to beat his wife like he feels is okay. That is because it's not okay there where he lives now.
He might also encounter someone using violence against a kid and the best thing to do would be getting used to it even if it wasn't okay in his original culture.
That's all I'm trying to say, even though these examples were very extreme since mostly muslims get annoyed by things that are not even bad my "western" ethics.
I am not living in a muslim country and some of their whereabouts wouldn't be tolerated here. My whereabouts wouldn't be tolerated in their countries.
It's annoying that because of this they're making problems outside of their countries where religion is not over everything else.
And I think that religious whereabouts shouldn't get any special treatments. It's just stupid as it would lead to a lot of bad things.
Weak comeback. I've criticised Prince on many occasions when he's made bad decisions, I don't think he's infallible, I wouldn't do certain things if he asked me to do them if I didn't agree with them, and (you'll LOVE this part) he's FAR more relevant to the planet than Muhammad - because he actually exists, in the present, he has positively impacted the lives of millions of his fans through his own actions, not random ass shit written in a book from thousands of years ago that has been skewered, twisted, and added to by sycophantic morons who insist he was some sort of holy man when he was not. And furthermore, his believers don't attack and kill in his name, and since he's a GOOD person (again, unlike Muhammad who abused children and advocated oppression of women), his followers don't attack and kill when people don't agree with them or criticise them in any way.
Furthermore, if it came down to a fist fight, Prince would kick the living shit out of Muhammad and clock him round the head with his symbol guitar, then write a funky song about it. How d'ya like them apples?
Furthermore, if it came down to a fist fight, Prince would kick the living shit out of Muhammad and clock him round the head with his symbol guitar, then write a funky song about it. How d'ya like them apples?
I have a beautiful wife who would disagree with that.
But, for arguments sake, let's say I was. How is that a comeback? You are showing yourself to be a continually shallow and pathetic excuse for a human being by believing that someone's sexuality makes any sort of difference to the content of their character.
I know some people who are gay. I would put money on the fact that they are much happier, more fulfilled, more successful, more intelligent, and better people than you. Furthermore they probably aren't wasting their lives believing in some mythical afterlife and made-up god.
Does that piss you off?
It would be better if Muhammad was gay rather than being a pedophile.
But, for arguments sake, let's say I was. How is that a comeback? You are showing yourself to be a continually shallow and pathetic excuse for a human being by believing that someone's sexuality makes any sort of difference to the content of their character.
I know some people who are gay. I would put money on the fact that they are much happier, more fulfilled, more successful, more intelligent, and better people than you. Furthermore they probably aren't wasting their lives believing in some mythical afterlife and made-up god.
Does that piss you off?
It would be better if Muhammad was gay rather than being a pedophile.
But for the sake of it....
Situation:
There's a hardliner muslim imam preaching in the mosque around the corner here. Him and his following all believe that women are inferior and any criticism on Islam should be punished.
Their opinions offend me immensely. I'm gonna go out and kill some muslims now.
Justified in your opinion?
Situation:
There's a hardliner muslim imam preaching in the mosque around the corner here. Him and his following all believe that women are inferior and any criticism on Islam should be punished.
Their opinions offend me immensely. I'm gonna go out and kill some muslims now.
Justified in your opinion?
"Light" beating of children is sort of "less terrible" to you because it's more common in your society...
lol.
"Even if beating children was OK in the barbarian western society, using violence against women is not."
lol.
Flawed logic. How can you shit one a group of people for an act of "violence" against women, when you condone an act of violence against children? One is OK but the other isn't? I think, personally, however I am not entirely sure, that in terms of beating, the reference to it pertains to the type that children experience when they have been disobedient. It's a smack on the ass, a spanking, or some form of other mild punishment. This happens all the time, don't bullshit me and say it's never happened to you. But then again, you DID say it was normal in your society and accepted. I don't understand how you can make the differentiation between the same acts occuring to kids and grown women in terms of what is deemed acceptable or not. I'm just saying this only to spark thought on the issue, because you're sitting there quoting all these extracts from texts baout islams violence against women, in order to preach how violent and fucked muslims are, yet in YOUR own backyard, "violence" against CHILDREN is "less terrible" because it's NORMAL?
Just osmething to think about.
lol.
"Even if beating children was OK in the barbarian western society, using violence against women is not."
lol.
Flawed logic. How can you shit one a group of people for an act of "violence" against women, when you condone an act of violence against children? One is OK but the other isn't? I think, personally, however I am not entirely sure, that in terms of beating, the reference to it pertains to the type that children experience when they have been disobedient. It's a smack on the ass, a spanking, or some form of other mild punishment. This happens all the time, don't bullshit me and say it's never happened to you. But then again, you DID say it was normal in your society and accepted. I don't understand how you can make the differentiation between the same acts occuring to kids and grown women in terms of what is deemed acceptable or not. I'm just saying this only to spark thought on the issue, because you're sitting there quoting all these extracts from texts baout islams violence against women, in order to preach how violent and fucked muslims are, yet in YOUR own backyard, "violence" against CHILDREN is "less terrible" because it's NORMAL?
Just osmething to think about.
Hey, it's funny that you mention that....
052.021: And those who believe and whose families follow them in Faith,- to them shall We join their families: Nor shall We deprive them (of the fruit) of aught of their works: (Yet) is each individual in pledge for his deed ....23: And We shall bestow on them, of fruit and meat, anything they shall desire. ...0 024: Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them,young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. ........025: They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.
056.012: In Gardens of Bliss., ....015: (They will be) on Thrones encrusted (with gold and precious stones).. ...016: Reclining on them, facing each other., ..017: Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),
I clearly said that I do not. I don't condone any of them.
Nah it's never happened to me. MAYBE if I was really a little kid but by no means it could be considered violence, man. It's silly to even compare these two. No sane person punches his kid in the face. Usually violence and disrespect towards wives in Islam is way worse than "slapping" a child (which is also bad and our law does NOT condone it).
I did not. I said that "light" spanking a kid wasn't seen as terrible as beating women. It's also illegal though. Both are bad but one is significantly worse because it's considered to be legal and "the proper way to act". Nobody normal thinks that beating a child is normal.
what the heck.Point one is that violence against children is not okay in my backyard but like I said - even if it hypothetically was it's the way it would be in my culture and people coming from different cultures deciding to come here shouldn't act all offended because it's different than in their countries. That was the point I was trying to make with it.
Then I was NOT pointing out how all Muslims are terrible and fucked in their heads. I just pointed out that it's normal and alright for them to beat their wives which is not okay by me and people in my culture, I pointed out sources from their Books that also work as laws that condone it. Which is morally unacceptable to me. I did it only because someone said that they don't or that they do this as much as any other religion like Christianity.
Christianity does not condone beating wives and Islam does. Actually it even instructs how it should be done and that it's a right thing to do in some cases. I wouldn't post these links just to shit on muslims.
BUT to me they can do whatever they want if they're fine with it in their own countries within their own culture. I still care but I'm not allowed to do anything about it. It's their own backyard.
In my culture though it's not okay at all and the only important point to me is that they shouldn't do it here. They are "guests" here representing a different culture and thus should adjust to mine.
For the sake of argument (to prove that I'm not talking about what is okay and what is not by morals) even if my country was evil, we killed people for wearing AK-47s on their back, ate little children AND had immigrants representing a different culture that murdered women and enjoyed carrying Ak-47s on their back (so both sides are evil in their own way and whereabouts of one in some way conflict with the other) would these immigrants have all rights to expect that I'd treat them differently? Or maybe it would be better if they adjusted instead for their own wellbeing? Bear in mind that they willingly moved to my country where my culture and my laws are in play.
So point is that if they don't like the way it's handled here nobody keeps them in my country. They should leave rather than forcing their whereabouts. Either that or they can adjust to my society. If I moved to their country instead I'd have to adjust too and expect at least some of them to not respect my culture. I wouldn't feel like I had a right to kill them because they offended me in their country because their culture is different and it conflicts with mine. I'd rather leave if I couldn't live with it.
Sorry for a not so nice example but I tried to explain my point. And that's because I thought that you place your morals over the society, laws, borders and such. I do care about "bad" things that happen in case you want to call me indifferent because of these examples. They were here to point out that I don't want to take that "who is good and who is bad" thing into consideration and I don't mean just muslims.
edit: I was extremely sleepy while writing everything above but I won't delete things I wouldn't write right now because most people saw it anyway. Let's just say that my last two paragraphs could have been formulated differently by me. These examples with killing and Ak-47s and such were silly so don't read into them. These are just random examples and you can place any whereabouts instead that conflict with each other between 2 specific cultures and one of them is "local" and the second one is "guest/foreigner".
Nah it's never happened to me. MAYBE if I was really a little kid but by no means it could be considered violence, man. It's silly to even compare these two. No sane person punches his kid in the face. Usually violence and disrespect towards wives in Islam is way worse than "slapping" a child (which is also bad and our law does NOT condone it).
I did not. I said that "light" spanking a kid wasn't seen as terrible as beating women. It's also illegal though. Both are bad but one is significantly worse because it's considered to be legal and "the proper way to act". Nobody normal thinks that beating a child is normal.
what the heck.Point one is that violence against children is not okay in my backyard but like I said - even if it hypothetically was it's the way it would be in my culture and people coming from different cultures deciding to come here shouldn't act all offended because it's different than in their countries. That was the point I was trying to make with it.
Then I was NOT pointing out how all Muslims are terrible and fucked in their heads. I just pointed out that it's normal and alright for them to beat their wives which is not okay by me and people in my culture, I pointed out sources from their Books that also work as laws that condone it. Which is morally unacceptable to me. I did it only because someone said that they don't or that they do this as much as any other religion like Christianity.
Christianity does not condone beating wives and Islam does. Actually it even instructs how it should be done and that it's a right thing to do in some cases. I wouldn't post these links just to shit on muslims.
BUT to me they can do whatever they want if they're fine with it in their own countries within their own culture. I still care but I'm not allowed to do anything about it. It's their own backyard.
In my culture though it's not okay at all and the only important point to me is that they shouldn't do it here. They are "guests" here representing a different culture and thus should adjust to mine.
For the sake of argument (to prove that I'm not talking about what is okay and what is not by morals) even if my country was evil, we killed people for wearing AK-47s on their back, ate little children AND had immigrants representing a different culture that murdered women and enjoyed carrying Ak-47s on their back (so both sides are evil in their own way and whereabouts of one in some way conflict with the other) would these immigrants have all rights to expect that I'd treat them differently? Or maybe it would be better if they adjusted instead for their own wellbeing? Bear in mind that they willingly moved to my country where my culture and my laws are in play.
So point is that if they don't like the way it's handled here nobody keeps them in my country. They should leave rather than forcing their whereabouts. Either that or they can adjust to my society. If I moved to their country instead I'd have to adjust too and expect at least some of them to not respect my culture. I wouldn't feel like I had a right to kill them because they offended me in their country because their culture is different and it conflicts with mine. I'd rather leave if I couldn't live with it.
Sorry for a not so nice example but I tried to explain my point. And that's because I thought that you place your morals over the society, laws, borders and such. I do care about "bad" things that happen in case you want to call me indifferent because of these examples. They were here to point out that I don't want to take that "who is good and who is bad" thing into consideration and I don't mean just muslims.
edit: I was extremely sleepy while writing everything above but I won't delete things I wouldn't write right now because most people saw it anyway. Let's just say that my last two paragraphs could have been formulated differently by me. These examples with killing and Ak-47s and such were silly so don't read into them. These are just random examples and you can place any whereabouts instead that conflict with each other between 2 specific cultures and one of them is "local" and the second one is "guest/foreigner".
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