Your all-time baseball lineup

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#1
while we seem to be venturing into sports history here (and baseball history, in which I am the ultimate encyclopedia around here), why the hell not do one of these?


C-Josh Gibson
1B-Lou Gehrig
2B-Rogers Hornsby
SS-Pops Lloyd
3B-Wade Boggs
LF-Ted Williams
CF-Ty Cobb
RF-Babe ruth
DH-Jimmie Foxx

Util (5 players): Honus Wagner, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Barroid Bonds, Alex Rodriguez

P-Walter Johnson
P-Roger Clemens
P-Pedro Martinez
P-Satchell Paige

RP-Mariano Rivera
RP-Dennis Eckersley

I dont think anyone can argue against 1st, 2nd or right field, but the other positions can all be up for debate.

C-Although never playing a single MLB game (dying in 1946 from drug/alchohol/mental problems), if half the negro league statistics are accurate, that puts Gibson easily as the best catcher ever

1st base-I dont think anyone can argue against Gehrig, maybe Jimmie Foxx or George Sisler but I'd highly doubt it

2nd base-Again, its hard to argue against Hornsby, although Nap Lajoie and Eddie Collins have arguements

SS-I pick Lloyd over Wagner because many who saw both play say Lloyd was a little better on defense although not as good with the bat. Most histortians would give it to Wagner though for playing tougher competition, although not Lloyds fault.

3rd--I pick Boggs over Schmidt just because I value hitting for average over hitting for power. Argue this all you want, I dont mind

LF-Williams, Bonds or Musial? Overall I had to give it to Ted simply because its amazing to imagine what he would've done if he hadn't volunteer'd those years in the military. Playing in a deflated league in 43-45, he coulda hit .400 again.

CF-Cobb was the best 5 tool player ever, nobody will ever touch his career BA (or even come close), he was a beast on defense, had a hell of an arm in the outfield until injurying it in 1920. One of the top 5 baserunners of all time, and along with all of this, by FAR the smartest/most clever player ever. Could find a weakness in anybody. Would've won a championship in the 1920s if it wasnt for a cheapskate owner in Navin.

RF-No explanation needed here. I'll just leave it at that.

Pitching:

Walter: Just look at the stats, especially before his injuries start occuring the 20s (when he was still one of the best pitchers in baseball)

Roger: 7 Cy Youngs and should be an 8th this year if his team can get him more wins

Pedro: Best strike-out artist of all time, although he's lacking longevity

Satchell: May have had the most "stuff" to give opponents, came into the majors in the late 40s/early 50s as a geezer and still helped the Indians win a championship

Mariano: Highest career ERA+ ever, and lets not forget his postseason credentials

Eckersley-Had a great 5 year stint as a closer before going downhill. Wilhelm was pretty good though


My sincere appologies to Hank Aaron, Shoeless Joe, Stan Musial, Joe Dimaggio, Cap Anson, Tris Speaker, Manny Ramirez, Christy Mathewson and anyone else I have offended. You guys can enjoy the junior varsity team
 
#2
^lol Manny Ramirez?

Well I would make up a list as yours but I don't have that much time in my hands. I would agree with all your picks other than having Joe DiMaggio CF and Ty Cobb in the Util spot

Util (5 players): Honus Wagner, Willie Mays, Ernie Banks, Ty Cobb, Cool Papa Bell

P-Walter Johnson
P-Roger Clemens
P-Sandy Koufax
P-Christy Mathewson

RP-Trevor Hoffman
RP-Dennis Eckersley

Former Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda once stated, "If you said to God, 'Create someone who was what a baseball player should be,' God would have created Joe DiMaggio...and he did."
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#3
ahh, cool papa bell, another i forgot. pretty fast mofo

but hoffman over rivera?


and you dont think Manny belongs up there? hes put up several solid years, and hes still got atleast 3 good years left in him
 

Synful*Luv

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#5
Luv4Pac4Ever said:
bank robber your such a genius, i love your knowledge, nobody here can fuck with you on baseball ;) :D
:thumb: I agree completely, but this is a hard decision I can't really pick :(
 
#6
Bank Robber said:
ahh, cool papa bell, another i forgot. pretty fast mofo

but hoffman over rivera?


and you dont think Manny belongs up there? hes put up several solid years, and hes still got atleast 3 good years left in him
Yeah I would put Hoffman over Rivera right now. Rivera still has alot of years left and he does have the stats. But I choosed Hoffman because of the team he plays (not winning as much) and the pitching rotation is not as good as the mighty Yankees. Granted it is not Rivera's fault that he has had great pitchers in the past but right now I will give it to Hoffman. In a couple of years and if Rivera keeps it up he will have that spot.

As for Manny Ramirez I don't see him in my line up any time soon. This is for the all-time baseball lineup and he is not the first I think of. There were other players as great or even better than him that I would put ahead of him. This list is very short and you have to exclude some players like Roberto Clemente or Stan Musial. The thing that erks me the most about Ramirez is his attitude, but he is a solid player...not in my team though.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#8
Get In The Van I Have Candy said:
^lol Manny Ramirez?
Manny will retire with at least 600 home runs.

C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Lou Gehrig
2B - Rogers Hornsby
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Ernie Banks
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Babe Ruth
DH - Jimmie Foxx

Util: Ty Cobb, Carl Yastrzemski, Alex Rodriguez, Honus Wagner, Johnny Bench
^ 2 OF, 2 IF, 1 C

SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Walter Johnson
SP - Sandy Koufax

RP - Dennis Eckersly
RP - Mariano Rivera
 
#9
This is solely based on my favourite players has nothing to do with who I think are the best of all time...

C- Josh Gibson
1B - Willie McCovey
2B - Delino DeShields (I'm from Montreal and as a kid he was my favourite Expos for along time had to stay loyal)
3B - Brooks Robinson
SS - Ozzie Smith
LF - Roberto Clemente
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Tim Raines
DH - Vladimir Guerrero

Util - Bonds, Aaron, Ruth, Wallach, Dawson

SP - Satchell Paige
SP - Bob Gibson
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Livan Hernandez
SP - Pascual Perez

RP-Mariano Rivera
RP-Dennis Eckersley
 
#11
Bank Robber said:
Vlad is too good on defense to keep at DH
hes alright

hes my favourite player as you know, but after years of watching him in person I wont be shy to admit his D is shaky, he has a great arm, but no aim

the braves used to love to fuck with him, if the ball was hit too him and they had someone crossing third or on third theyd make the runner almost halfway to get Vlad to launch it and from there theyd wait to see if it was wild or on point

dont get me wrong though, ive seen him have some remarkable assists from the outfield which were like bullseyes
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#15
for those who don't know anything about Pop Lloyd, my all-time best SS, heres a bio

John Henry Lloyd: "El Cuchara," "The Shovel"


Born: April 25, 1884, Palatka, Florida
Died: March 19, 1965, Atlantic City, New Jersey
Bats: left
Throws: right
Elected to Hall of Fame by Committee on Negro Leagues: 1977
Comparable major league players: Honus Wagner



John "Pop" Lloyd was probably the finest shortstop to come out of the Negro leagues. A baseball nomad, he was promoted by many as the greatest player of all time. He played on at least a dozen different teams in his 26-year career - when asked why so many teams, Lloyd replied, "Where the money was, that's where I played."

Lloyd was a lefthanded line-drive hitter who used a closed stance. He held the bat in the cradle of his left elbow, and would uncoil to unleash a controlled attack on the baseball. A gifted runner with long, smooth strides, he deceived opponents into underrating his speed. A tall, angular man with a Dick Tracy profile, Lloyd was a nondrinking, soft-spoken gentleman who seldom cursed. He was a complete professional, on and off the field. In addition to his smoothness afield, he also swung a mean bat, consistently hitting for a high average.

He was often compared to Honus Wagner. Connie Mack of the Philadelphia A's, who spent 50 years in the game, said, "Put Lloyd and Wagner in the same bag and whichever one you pulled out, you wouldn't go wrong."



Lloyd began as a catcher in 1905 with the Macon Acmes, who could not provide him with a mask. After one season, he moved to the Cuban X-Giants as an infielder. He helped the Philadelphia Giants to a league championship the following year and stayed two more. He spent 1910 with the Leland Giants, who posted a 123-6 record, before moving on to the New York Lincoln Giants, for whom he hit .475 in 1911 and .376 in 1912. Rube Foster enticed Lloyd to join his Chicago American Giants, and from 1914 through 1917 Lloyd batted cleanup for the four-time Western League champions. His teammates there included such greats as Oscar Charleston, Bingo DeMoss, Louis Santop, Smokey Joe Williams, and Cannonball Dick Redding. Chicago won world championships in '14 and '17.



Lloyd played 12 seasons in Cuba, where he earned the nickname El Cuchara - The Shovel. He was known for scooping up handfuls of dirt while adeptly fielding his position, just like Wagner. In Cuba, he compiled a .329 batting average and twice led the league in triples. He excelled in a 1910 series played in Havana against the Detroit Tigers. The Tigers won 7 of the 12 games, with Ty Cobb hitting .369 in five contests. But Cobb's average was only good enough for fourth place; Lloyd batted .500 in 12 games and added insult to injury by tagging Cobb out on three consecutive basestealing attempts. In 29 recorded games against white major leaguers, Lloyd batted .321.

As Lloyd's legs began to go, he moved to first base. Approaching the age of thirty-five, he signed with the Brooklyn Royal Giants as player-manager, and was active for three abbreviated seasons before going to the Columbus Buckeyes in 1921. Then thirty-eight, Lloyd led the Buckeyes in games, hits, doubles, and stolen bases while batting .337. Rejuvenated, he topped the .320 mark for Hilldale in 1923 and for the Bacharach Giants in 1924-25. He was forty-four when he hit a league-leading .564 for the New York Lincoln Giants in 1928; he also led with 11 HR and 10 SB in a 37-game schedule.

When Babe Ruth was interviewed by pioneering announcer Graham McNamee, he was asked who was the greatest player of all time. Ruth asked, "You mean major leaguers?" "No," replied McNamee, "the greatest player anywhere." "In that case," responded Ruth, "I'd pick John Henry Lloyd."

He was elected to the Hall of Fame by the Committee on Negro Baseball Leagues in 1977.
 

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