Will Michael Vick ever win?
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Michael Vick first needs to realize he needs to settle in the pocket and only run when he has to... I get the magazine Sporting News every week and in a recent magazine he was on the front cover exclaiming "Stop telling me how to play football."
Michael Vick needs to change that opinion if he wants to be successful, he was like 16-40 yesterday thats horrible... I could throw better than that against the Browns..
The Falcons already have 2 great running backs in Warrick Dunn and Jerius (Darius?) Norwood... you can't win scrambling for yards, you can win some games, but you can't win them all. Especially in the playoffs. Vick is signed for the next 10 years for quite a bit of money, if i were the Falcons i'd force him to stay in the pocket, thats what a QB is supposed to do, let the RB's and WR's run wild...
Michael Vick needs to change that opinion if he wants to be successful, he was like 16-40 yesterday thats horrible... I could throw better than that against the Browns..
The Falcons already have 2 great running backs in Warrick Dunn and Jerius (Darius?) Norwood... you can't win scrambling for yards, you can win some games, but you can't win them all. Especially in the playoffs. Vick is signed for the next 10 years for quite a bit of money, if i were the Falcons i'd force him to stay in the pocket, thats what a QB is supposed to do, let the RB's and WR's run wild...
Your right.Vick does have to improve on his pocket pressence and delivering the football,but what makes Michael Vick ,Michael Vick is his ability to run the football.I mean,he played crappy against the Browns but the past two weeks he was killin it.He WAS(key word) throwing the football like he should be and only running when he had to.They would have won that game against the Browns if he didn't feel he had to put it all on his shoulders, try to run in their redzone and end up fumbling.You bet he'll win.
Actually the weekend before this past one, Vick and the Falcons got manhandled by the Detroit Lions 30-14, it was the week before that against the Bengals that he played well....
He's way too inconsistent.. and i bet he'll still be voted to the Pro Bowl this year by dumb ass fans that vote for him because they see him on TV and he can run fast.. I'd pick probably 7-10 QB's in the NFC alone before i'd vote for him..
He's way too inconsistent.. and i bet he'll still be voted to the Pro Bowl this year by dumb ass fans that vote for him because they see him on TV and he can run fast.. I'd pick probably 7-10 QB's in the NFC alone before i'd vote for him..
i must have missed this thread somehow. Vick is quite an enigma, you never know which Vick is gonna show up each week. i've been thinking about this a lot lately, and i don't think Atlanta is the right team for him anymore. the west coast offense they brought in when Mora became the coach does not suit Mike at all. if you remember, back in 2002, his first year as a starter under Dan Reeves, he had great numbers, but when Mora came in he changed the system and Vick has struggled ever since.
Now don't get me wrong, i'm not putting all the blame on the coaches or the system. he has taken way too long to develop into the player he should be. every year is the year he's finally gonna get it, and play amazingly. but every year it's the same old thing again. i think Atlanta should seriously consider a trade at the end of the season, cuz i don't think it's working out too well anymore
Now don't get me wrong, i'm not putting all the blame on the coaches or the system. he has taken way too long to develop into the player he should be. every year is the year he's finally gonna get it, and play amazingly. but every year it's the same old thing again. i think Atlanta should seriously consider a trade at the end of the season, cuz i don't think it's working out too well anymore
You guys are being too hard on Vick... Can you name at least one good WR on the team? Every other QB in the league has at least one go to guy that will get open to make big plays. Roddy white and michael jenkins both suck and the only times they can make a catch is when they find a hole in the defense and even then you gotta hope that they don't drop the pass. To be a great QB you need skill but you also need good teammates (talking about the WRs) because you can't do it all alone.
i should have mentioned this point. it's pretty hard to be a successful QB in this league when you don't have reliable receivers who can catch passes. do you think Peyton Manning would have the numbers he has if it wasn't for guys like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? not to take anything away from Manning, i believe he is one of the best in the league, but if he was throwing to guys like Jenkins and White, he wouldn't have anywhere near the numbers he has.
But that still doesn't give Vick a pass when it comes to his inconsistent play. i put a lot of blame on the system he's playing in, but at the same time, this is what, his 5th year as a starter? it shouldn't take that long to develop as a QB. i believe that with the right team, the right system, he could be great, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can be considered great. and that is coming from a diehard Falcons fan.
But that still doesn't give Vick a pass when it comes to his inconsistent play. i put a lot of blame on the system he's playing in, but at the same time, this is what, his 5th year as a starter? it shouldn't take that long to develop as a QB. i believe that with the right team, the right system, he could be great, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can be considered great. and that is coming from a diehard Falcons fan.
Not true, New England, Chicago, & San Francisco are 3 teams that dont have a clear cut goto receiver..
New England- Tom Brady the best qb at winning the big games
Chicago - Rex Grossman has done enough for Bears offense
Alex Smith- Has made so much improvement this season
QB's excel no matter WR situation... Tom Brady doesnt' have the stats that Peyton has, but he does have a couple super bowl rings.. he knows how to win and isn't inconsistent, which Vick is..
New England- Tom Brady the best qb at winning the big games
Chicago - Rex Grossman has done enough for Bears offense
Alex Smith- Has made so much improvement this season
QB's excel no matter WR situation... Tom Brady doesnt' have the stats that Peyton has, but he does have a couple super bowl rings.. he knows how to win and isn't inconsistent, which Vick is..
Rex Grossman? are you kidding me? other than the first 2 games of the season, Grossman has been playing horribly, yesterday he had -8 passing yards for the whle first half of that game. right now even Vick is better than Rex. New England? they may not be big name receivers, but they hold onto the ball more often than not. and it's not really fair to use Brady as an example since most QB's won't measure up to him.
you can't put all the blame on Vick's shoulders, when your receivers can't hold onto the ball consistently, i don't care if you're Mike Vick, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, whoever, you are not going to have good numbers.
you can't put all the blame on Vick's shoulders, when your receivers can't hold onto the ball consistently, i don't care if you're Mike Vick, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, whoever, you are not going to have good numbers.
Other than 2 games he's played horribly? Do you only watch what you see on ESPN? Grossman has actually only had 3 subpar games, 5of his games he's thrown with a passers rating of 98 or better, i'd be happy with that performance.
And the 1st half isn't the whole game, he came back and threw for a touchdown to win it.. The big thing is he WON the game. Vick still hasn't proven this consistently.
Its not like i said Rex Grossman was a stud either, I don't agree that Vick has done better or is better, Grossman has thrown for about 1500 total passing yards before this season, Vick has played for 6 seasons... Grossman has matured much faster than him considering his limited amount of snaps before this year. He's allowed to have a couple horrible games, Vick still shouldn't be multiple times a season.
I'd pick Grossman to be my starting QB over Vick and spend the 100 million i had saved from not picking Vick on other players.
Its a given, Falcons win and lose based solely on Vick
*in the Falcons 5 wins Vick has thrown 10 TDs and 4 Ints
*in the Falcons 5 losses Vick has thrown 3 TDs and 5 Ints
When the game is on the line, Michael Vick is no where to be found.. There's no excuse to lose to the Lions and Browns in back2back weeks. He was outperformed by Charlie Frye and Jon Kitna. Vick should've had field days against both of them..
I dont see how i can't use Brady, he produces no matter who he's throwing to. He knows how to play QB and lead a team down the field, he's only played one more year than Vick. Why hasn't Vick shown these improvements?
And the 1st half isn't the whole game, he came back and threw for a touchdown to win it.. The big thing is he WON the game. Vick still hasn't proven this consistently.
Its not like i said Rex Grossman was a stud either, I don't agree that Vick has done better or is better, Grossman has thrown for about 1500 total passing yards before this season, Vick has played for 6 seasons... Grossman has matured much faster than him considering his limited amount of snaps before this year. He's allowed to have a couple horrible games, Vick still shouldn't be multiple times a season.
I'd pick Grossman to be my starting QB over Vick and spend the 100 million i had saved from not picking Vick on other players.
Its a given, Falcons win and lose based solely on Vick
*in the Falcons 5 wins Vick has thrown 10 TDs and 4 Ints
*in the Falcons 5 losses Vick has thrown 3 TDs and 5 Ints
When the game is on the line, Michael Vick is no where to be found.. There's no excuse to lose to the Lions and Browns in back2back weeks. He was outperformed by Charlie Frye and Jon Kitna. Vick should've had field days against both of them..
I dont see how i can't use Brady, he produces no matter who he's throwing to. He knows how to play QB and lead a team down the field, he's only played one more year than Vick. Why hasn't Vick shown these improvements?
What the hell are you talking about. He's 3 years younger than T.O. and Marvin Harrison.
Tom Brady is good but you can't forget that offensive line, it's got great talent. Vick's offensive line sucks at stopping the rush. The offensive line crumbles even before he gets to look downfield... and that happens often. I bet before the snap Vick is thinking where the offensive line is going to break next instead of reading the defense.
What're you talkin about, if their offensive line sucked why would all 3 of their players with 50 rushing attempts or more average at least 4 yards a carry?
Also its not like Vick sits in the pocket long enough for any type of line breakage to actually affect him. He's always scrambling, he's not a pocket passer.
Also its not like Vick sits in the pocket long enough for any type of line breakage to actually affect him. He's always scrambling, he's not a pocket passer.
Making cut blocks to make run plays and stopping the pass rush isn't the same thing. He CAN'T stay in the pocket or else he'll get killed that's why he has to scramble all the time. Just look at a game instead of stats and see how shitty the offensive line can be. He can't bootleg and then pass cause none of his receivers can get open.(Except crumpler which is the best one out there even though hes the Tightend)
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