What is death?

#1
The term, “death” is used freely to describe the concept of cessation of life. To die is to cease to exist. Yet, is ceasing to exist measured in terms of physical deterioration or the termination mental capabilities.

Dictionary and legal definitions shed some light, describing it as, “the permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism.”

Or the statutory definition in my state jurisdiction:
(a) irreversible cessation of all function of the brain of the person; or
(b) irreversible cessation of circulation of blood in the body of the person.

Yet, even this is somewhat ambiguous and seems to relate only to the physical functions of organs in preventing death, thus sustaining life. Although arguably “function of the brain” may be interpreted as embodying mental/thought processes. This raises questions as to what the function is, some degree of neuron activity or much more - independent thought process and memory retention? (What does this say about the so-called “brain-dead” or mentally impaired? Are they, in a sense, half dead?)

Is life that simple, so that we may say we are systemically composed? Why is that system so fragile, that once shut down, can rarely be rebooted? To speak in terms of functionality - operational capabilities likened a machine, is somewhat impersonal and dehumanizing. Yet, is it conceited to think of ourselves as anything more than a well built machine?

Do we have characteristics that determine death beyond the physical? Is there an essence or soul that ultimately determines the end of life? If there is such an essence, at what point does it leave the body? Is the body a mere shell – a shell displaced after death?

I find it hard to believe that death is merely physical. I think there must be more to it, yet the concept of a “soul” raises as many inexplicable notions and unanswerable questions as the original question itself. Is death so hard to explain in any meaningful way, that we must just accept that death is death, so just get on with life?

Anyway, this was all just on my mind. Anyone else got any thoughts on death?
 
#2
Sometimes, the only way you can understand something is through experience
;) ;)

On a serious note, I don't see why everybody wants to understand death!! the way I see it, you will find out one day

Nice Post though
 

Flipmo

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#3
My psychological standards. Death is only when the brain stops functionning. Once the brain stops, everything else does. Makes sense because the brain is the one that makes all your vital organs from your liver to your heart work. I'm a mix of the physiological view of it and the spiritual side of it. Your brain to cease functionning is maybe the first step towards death, then you continue tot he final step of your 'soul' or 'spirit' being brought to wherever it must go, rather it be hell or heaven, (if you have the religious point of view on the afterlife) or even the choice of reincarnation or staying in purgatory. (if that's how you mentality flows...)









OR...



You know your about to die when you see this guy chasing you..



I'm sorry, Amara, I just had to... :(
 
#4
I don't believe in life after death be it through entry to a paradise, reincaration or the idea of a soul being everlasting.

I think when we die, we die.

We are but decaying tissue & the elevated status in which we hold ourselves in life - ie. being inherently better than animals & plants - is a facade which can't fool death.

William Hazlett said, To die is only to be as we were before we were born

While, obviously, I am without evidence to support such a statement, I do believe this to be the truth.

We were nothing before we were created, & will be nothing once our bodies cease to function.
 
#5
To think bout it, Death isn’t the end but a beginning to some greater. It’s obvious that there’s a reason why we have life in the first place… If you play a computer game and you become stuck in an infinite loop of playing the same mission over and over; there wouldn’t be a purpose to play it. But you get so happy when you finish the mission, but notice the word “finish”. Does it mean, it’s your end once you finish the mission? No; it just means that you have earned the right to move on to the next level. So in reality, the finish line is only a right to enter a new race to participate in. Death exists, with out a doubt but what comes after death can not be figured out in this life, in this mission… So I suggest you live this part of your existence to the fullest… learn as much as you can and imagine playing the same mission a zillion times? It would be horrible right? So I think it’s best to live your life with honor rather then selling out and dying a thousand times.
 

2Pax

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#6
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
I think when we die, we die.
:thumb:

When your heart stops beating and brain fails to function, I do not beleive there is an afterlife or any re-incarnation of any sort. Niether do I beleive that we have souls, our bodies are just like one large amazing organ, and when it's deemed past it's medical limits, it' stops working.
 
#7
Te-R.o.a.r (T.h.u.g.)777 said:
To think bout it, Death isn’t the end but a beginning to some greater. It’s obvious that there’s a reason why we have life in the first place… If you play a computer game and you become stuck in an infinite loop of playing the same mission over and over; there wouldn’t be a purpose to play it. But you get so happy when you finish the mission, but notice the word “finish”. Does it mean, it’s your end once you finish the mission? No; it just means that you have earned the right to move on to the next level. So in reality, the finish line is only a right to enter a new race to participate in. Death exists, with out a doubt but what comes after death can not be figured out in this life, in this mission… So I suggest you live this part of your existence to the fullest… learn as much as you can and imagine playing the same mission a zillion times? It would be horrible right? So I think it’s best to live your life with honor rather then selling out and dying a thousand times.
Then again, why do babies die? What have they learned.
 
#8
2Pax said:
:thumb:

When your heart stops beating and brain fails to function, I do not beleive there is an afterlife or any re-incarnation of any sort. Niether do I beleive that we have souls, our bodies are just like one large amazing organ, and when it's deemed past it's medical limits, it' stops working.
I believe tha fact that you can have this belief is proof alone that you have a soul. *note, there's a differance between having a mind to use for common sense and a soul with depth that allows you to think of things that aren't logical.
 
#9
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This point is a little weird.

Humans brains are advanced enough to contempate abstract ideas.

If a soul was the cause, why can't a 3 year old fully comprehend the idea of infinity?

It's because their minds have not been conditioned for such a thought yet, so unless you are saying our souls advance like our brain, I cannot fathom your point.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#10
The body is definitely a mere shell after death. So an adequate working definition of death would be (a) irreversible cessation of all function of the brain of the person; or (b) irreversible cessation of circulation of blood in the body of the person.

However, our minds or "spirits" do seem to exist afterwards. The sheer weight of evidence leaves me in no doubt of this, even though my rational self tends to not believe it. This in turn implies that life after death is a reality. The rational notion that we are mere products of the material world and that the material world is the ultimate reality gives us a completely false picture of reality, however useful it is.

We can think of a person as a branch on a tree with twigs. The branch itself will be the life of the man or woman as we ordinarily see them, and the twigs will be the lives of people with whom they come into contact. But each of these people is for himself a main branch and other ppl are the offshoots... In this way the life of each person is connected with a number of other lives; one life enters, in a sense, into another, and all taken together forms a single whole, the nature of which we do not understand.

This enables us to see that the simple notion that human beings survive death and continue to exist in "another world" is somehow a gross oversimplification of the reality. Even the question, "Is there life after death?" is the wrong question, for all the misunderstandings are inbuilt into it. Our whole notion of what constitutes life -- and therefore death -- is fundamentally false, so that the question is very nearly meaningless. (The question, "Is there a God?" has the same inbuilt misconceptions.)
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#13
Illuminattile said:
What evidence are you referring to?
I knew someone would ask me that and want some kind of answer like, "Scientists at the Brookhaven National Laboratory have recently detected the presence of spirits in high particle beam energy experiments, etc," to believe it. Obviously, I'm referring to evidence not of a scientific nature but neither is it unscientific. Rather it's non-scientific because the phenomenon is of a non-scientific nature, which is no less valid. As I said, the idea that the material world is the ultimate reality gives us a completely false picture of reality.

Everything is not a scientific question. Keep in mind, much of Quantum Theory is non-scientific, yet accepted by scientists as the way things are. It's not just that scientists haven't verified it all yet; but rather that it's scientifically unverifiable. It's just non-scientific, which is all right. It doesn't take away from what the scientific method can be applied to. Yet, it's there and has to be accepted on some level if we want to get at the whole truth of things.

Well, the paranormal has its own equivalent of the uncertainty principle. A paranormal investigator can establish the reality of the paranormal beyond all doubt -- in private. But as soon as he tires to drag his evidence into the light of public scrutiny it melts away like ice in the sun. And I'm not considering as evidence ppl who say they saw the Virgin Mary, or some such thing.

I've done an extensive study of the paranormal. When I started, I wouldn't have been too upset to discover the whole thing was merely a proof of human gullibility. I was expecting to remain ambivelant about it at best. Instead I was overwhelmed by the sheer consistency and variety of the evidence. Before I had gotten halfway through my research I knew beyond doubt that telepathy, precognition, and clairvoyance take place.

Likewise, the evidence of poltergeist activity leaves no doubt in my mind that spirits exist and that to some extent these spirits are not subject to the laws of space and time that govern human beings. And, yes, I've considered the possibility of other explanations for the phenomena, but everything I learned points to spirits.

Anyone, with any intelligence at all, who will take the trouble to study the evidence will concede, regretfully, if they are like-minded, that there are such things as spirits and that under certain conditions, they can impinge on human existence.
 

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#17
Jokerman said:
I knew someone would ask me that and want some kind of answer like, "Scientists at the Brookhaven National Laboratory have recently detected the presence of spirits in high particle beam energy experiments, etc," to believe it. Obviously, I'm referring to evidence not of a scientific nature but neither is it unscientific. Rather it's non-scientific because the phenomenon is of a non-scientific nature, which is no less valid. As I said, the idea that the material world is the ultimate reality gives us a completely false picture of reality.

Everything is not a scientific question. Keep in mind, much of Quantum Theory is non-scientific, yet accepted by scientists as the way things are. It's not just that scientists haven't verified it all yet; but rather that it's scientifically unverifiable. It's just non-scientific, which is all right. It doesn't take away from what the scientific method can be applied to. Yet, it's there and has to be accepted on some level if we want to get at the whole truth of things.

Well, the paranormal has its own equivalent of the uncertainty principle. A paranormal investigator can establish the reality of the paranormal beyond all doubt -- in private. But as soon as he tires to drag his evidence into the light of public scrutiny it melts away like ice in the sun. And I'm not considering as evidence ppl who say they saw the Virgin Mary, or some such thing.

I've done an extensive study of the paranormal. When I started, I wouldn't have been too upset to discover the whole thing was merely a proof of human gullibility. I was expecting to remain ambivelant about it at best. Instead I was overwhelmed by the sheer consistency and variety of the evidence. Before I had gotten halfway through my research I knew beyond doubt that telepathy, precognition, and clairvoyance take place.

Likewise, the evidence of poltergeist activity leaves no doubt in my mind that spirits exist and that to some extent these spirits are not subject to the laws of space and time that govern human beings. And, yes, I've considered the possibility of other explanations for the phenomena, but everything I learned points to spirits.

Anyone, with any intelligence at all, who will take the trouble to study the evidence will concede, regretfully, if they are like-minded, that there are such things as spirits and that under certain conditions, they can impinge on human existence.
I know you don know this but since i came to this board(2001) your one of the people ive respected the most on this board.You hit everuything on point damn near everytime.Now who te fuck can argue with what this man just said?
 

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